EffJi Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I watched ANH last night and I started to think about something. You never see anyone deflect a blaster bolt with his lightsabre. Do you think that George Lucas had that idea in his head at the time or did he thought that up later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrit Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Well, Luke deflects a few little shots from that training thingie... They didn't explore the sabers that much in ANH...I mean, the most action they saw was during the Kenobi vs Vader fight... ANH seemed to be more focused on blaster fights and starfighters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Boba Fett dies from a blaster shot deflected back at him in ROTJ that his his jetpack. and blows him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Boba Fett dies from a blaster shot deflected back at him in ROTJ that his his jetpack. and blows him up. No, he dies from Han sticking that pole into some kind of activation switch on his jetpack, which went off uncontrolably, smacked him against the side of Jabba's sail barge and then he fell into the Sarlacc where he was chomped. The deflected blasterbolt just severed the trip-wire he had tied around Luke and knocked him off-balance a little bit. There was plenty of shot-deflecting in RotJ, anyway, what with the speeder bikes (that's still one of the all-time best fight scenes... awesome crashes! ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdoch Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Yeah that was a good chase scene. It's obvious Lucas tried to replicate it with the pod race. To bad he included that g**damn double headed speaker guy. It's so lame i can't begin to comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 to focus more on the topic (deflection in ANH): i definetly think that george had the deflection idea before ANH because, just like hyrit already mentioned, he deflected some shots from that training droid (probe seeker, was it?), which definetly indicates the sabers ability to defeflect shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Master Eric Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Jedi, in my opinion, is still the best movie of them all as far as saber fights/usage. Luke using his saber to fight off the Troopers shots from his speeder were cool...and the fight scene at the end.....spectacular!...wouldn't have mind seeing the old bag of bones Emperor with a saber in hand. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 Yeah I knew I was wrong about that and someone would correct me I was pretty sure thats not how it went down but my memory didn't serve me well the other night... Don't know why i even posted it. I don't think the topic at hand is Just (ANH) rather than the trilogy. For there is never an oppertunity for bullets to be deflected as nobody shoots at Obi-Wan. I think what he was trying to express was did he only think it up for episode one forgetting about ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 I think the reason we don't see too much blaster shot reflection is more to do with the way they made the lightsabres for each actor to use. They weren't exactly light, so that it is why the sabre duels in ANH, TESB and ROTJ are relatively slow to the one in TPM, and the Anakin/Dooku one on the trailer for AOTC. Probably too hard for them to do the agile moves with what is basically a heavy sword. Remember that Ray Park, who plays Darth Maul, is a martial arts expert, so that is why Maul is such an agile and quick swordsman, and NOT an actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolvishOne Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 (I know this isn't ANH, so flame away. Asbestos pants! ) So, explain to me then how Vader could aside blaster bolts with his hand in ESB??? P.S. That would be a cool mod with the vader models in production.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 Force Absorb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue15 Force Absorb. force absorb against blaster shots? go play jk2 first, n00b! ps: j/k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EffJi Posted May 10, 2002 Author Share Posted May 10, 2002 The reason I stared this thread is that I saw ANH (the SE version) for the first time a week ago and in the scene where luke is training against a remote he doesnt deflect the blasts, he just blocks them. At least that what ot looks like to me. If that's true, then nobody deflected any blaster shots in ANH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 hes right .... its absorb but the games dont have it otherwise ud be invincible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 Crap, I want Force absorb like Corran had in I, Jedi I could absorb blasterbolts, lightsabers and energy from an explosion... yes... Jedi SHOULD be invincible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 So, explain to me then how Vader could aside blaster bolts with his hand in ESB??? P.S. That would be a cool mod with the vader models in production.... Force absorb would...absob the shots, not deflect them. I would imagine that he used the Force to augment his Armored Gloves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartori Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 Originally posted by BCanr2d2 I think the reason we don't see too much blaster shot reflection is more to do with the way they made the lightsabres for each actor to use. They weren't exactly light, so that it is why the sabre duels in ANH, TESB and ROTJ are relatively slow to the one in TPM, and the Anakin/Dooku one on the trailer for AOTC. Probably too hard for them to do the agile moves with what is basically a heavy sword. Remember that Ray Park, who plays Darth Maul, is a martial arts expert, so that is why Maul is such an agile and quick swordsman, and NOT an actor. Bob Anderson (the sword master and the guy in the vader suit for the fight scenes in Ep4) was at the time a Ni-dan in Kendo and had been a B-rated fencer when he was much younger. the duels are slower because they depict 2 masters facing off. If you watch carefully you can see several offerings of maai (small openings intentional to draw the attack, or due to lack of concentration and therefore a true opening) and changes of engagement. with real blades and experenenced users, your first mistake is also the last. the silly spin, flip, kick, is pandering to the kung-fu theater style of combat, that looks much better on film but is in reality a waste of energy and will quickly ge you killed. you dont turn your back on a sword, dont raise your blade so high that it creates an uncloseable opening (unless the distance is to long) etc... if you watch ep1 in slo mo you will see multiple openings where Obi or Qui could have simply stepped in and gutted Maul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 if you watch ep1 in slo mo you will see multiple openings where Obi or Qui could have simply stepped in and gutted Maul. Except that their energy was directed into other motions and unless Maul really is an idiot he would have compensated for their attacks... Also, have you choreographed fights for movies before? I ask because you seem fairly disgusted with the job that Nick Gillard did with the film, almost in a professional criticism manner. --Edit-- Never mind, I just read your post in a different thread, you clearly have a high self opinion. Please keep in mind that this is a fantasy movie with fantastic concerns, as Monk states below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 the silly spin, flip, kick, is pandering to the kung-fu theater style of combat, that looks much better on film but is in reality a waste of energy and will quickly ge you killed. you dont turn your back on a sword, dont raise your blade so high that it creates an uncloseable opening (unless the distance is to long) etc... Well, you don't really need to worry about energy when you've got the vast power of the Force backing you, feeding you with a never-ending supply of energy if you know how to tap it. Any opening... heh, Maul just faught that way... he could've probably Force-pushed them back if they actually went for an opening. Don't think they're fighting like normal humans... there's something else going on behind the lightsabers, at a deeper level. "Under the tongueroot, a battle most dread, while another one rages behind in the head." That is what some of the words of "Duel of the Fates" mean, it was Williams giving us a hint of what Jedi battles are like beneath the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Quel Droma Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 Boba fett didnt die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartori Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril Except that their energy was directed into other motions and unless Maul really is an idiot he would have compensated for their attacks... Also, have you choreographed fights for movies before? I ask because you seem fairly disgusted with the job that Nick Gillard did with the film, almost in a professional criticism manner. --Edit-- Never mind, I just read your post in a different thread, you clearly have a high self opinion. Please keep in mind that this is a fantasy movie with fantastic concerns, as Monk states below. not for any movies. a long time ago i did for plays, (hamlet, pirates of penzance) fortunatly since fencing used to be a requirement for actors i didnt really have to train them, just plan the space and sequences. yes it is a difficult task to make the fights entertaining and realistic, i dont know that i did it very well, as i was more concerned with realistic (the rapier trade in hamlet is tricky too). i understand the limitations, its just that Ep4 was one of the insipring periods of my life that drove me to begin fencing (and later kendo) and it saddens me to see how far things have fallen. i took some of my clubs younger students to see Ep1 when it came out and even they (12-15) were like "look at that opening! it's huge! havent they ever heard of riposte? WTF is maul doing? this is a Sith? i could kill him with my epee!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 I guess it's a case of ignorant bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 I know after reading Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, that Maul actually leaves openings for people to come in so that he can kill them off, so confident is he with his mastery of Teras Kasi style of fighting. As for those that have done some martial arts training, ever fought against an opponent who has a double ended sword, or staff? Just wondered, since I think that an apparent opening by Maul isn't as wide open as you think, keeping mind there are two blades to look out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman3ooo Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 Originally posted by Ulic Quel Droma Boba fett didnt die. Its True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Posted May 11, 2002 Share Posted May 11, 2002 Yeah, methinks that no ordinary human could deflect blaster bolts or lightsaber blades in that manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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