Chaotic~Angel Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 Well almost obviously I'm new to the forum (hint: post count) but i've been watching it for a little while. This will be however the ultimate newb question on the forum though. Side note, don't spam me for being an idiot because in reality, how does that make you a bigger person. anyways: 'In any point of the Star Wars movies can someone point out a time when LIGHT uses LIGHT to defeat DARK? When you really think about it (well for me at least) it doesnt happen. K just hoping someone can bring up a good point about this one so I feel better. Thanks for replies (non-spam ones at least, plz i'm not some idiot that needs someone with an ego to flaunt their grade 2 vocabulary)' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 *Tries to remember what's supposed to happen when someone actually says 'Hi' on their first post* *Finally remembers* Ah... It's all coming back to me... First of all, Welcome to the forums! Make yourself at home, and enjoy your stay here Secondly... In any point of the Star Wars movies can someone point out a time when LIGHT uses LIGHT to defeat DARK? Hmm... Not off the top of my head, no... I'll have a think about it though, and see if I can come up with anything... Good question, BTW And just a... Friendly FYI: Non JK2-related topics belong in Yoda's Swamp (our Off-Topic forum) and this will probably be moved there (if the mods are doing their jobs right, of course... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneCanoli Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 Welcome to the forums! As Wacky pointed out, all off-topic stuff that doesn't relate to JKII should go in Yoda's Swamp, our anything-goes forum. As for your question: I have to say that, to my knowledge, no, Luke nor Kenobi never won a saber battle using the light side of the force. It's an interesting opic to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twins of Doom Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 well, it's in yoda's swamp (go yoda!) and ya, welcome to the forums, enjoy your stay (bla bla bla, etc) and no, can't think of any times it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS_Praetor Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 Well Yoda does use force absorb in Episode II to show who was the better Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 So far we haven't seen it in any of the released movies. Luke definitely draws from marginally dark parts of the force. He is angry, and anger being one of the traits that leads to do the path down the dark side. Obi-Wan also taps into his anger, after seeing Qui-Gon die at the hands of Maul. Then again that is getting quite pedantic about how to classify the jedi's and their feelings. Or are we just seeing the badly trained Jedi, ie Luke and Obi-Wan, that don't seem to be able to control their anger, but don't completely lose control either. Both of them both go over the top in their anger in trying to avenge something that has happened in front of them or to them. Other than that, we haven't seen any other Jedi in the movies that have been seen fighting, or if they are, they have died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 just a thought: isnt it impossible to fight using light? i thought the whole concept of the light side was to use non violent resistance unless needed...in ep2 its mentioned that jedi arent soldiers and also that they are around so that they can protect people and only go into battle as a very very last resort? im probably about 99% wrong but it was just a suggestion Divine Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 Well it's tenuous and largely speculation but here goes... ANH - Obi-Wan surrenders to Vader as he realises that by fighting him he is making Vader stronger, and instead absorbs himself into the force to be around to instruct and mentor Luke. This Matrydom could be considered as using light to defeat dark but: Using Luke as a 'weapon' to take down Vader and the Emperor is morally dubious... I don't know for sure what Obi-Wan was thinking at the time (if I ignore the books). Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl lightstar Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 I don't mean to be all psychological or anything, but there is a difference between aggression and assertion. Luke is definately pissed off no doubt that IS aggression. In Ep 1 however i think Obi 1 is being assertive, or using "instrumental aggression". He isn't evil and angry just for the sake of it. He's mearly getting psyched up cos he knows he has to kill maul. But i still don't think he used the dark side. Think about it. Maul has been trained for years in the dark side, if obi 1 just started using it, maul would have beat him miles easier. I don't think anyone (other than a complete nutter) can kill someone and still think happy hippy jedi thoughts. This whole debate is IMO one of the weaknesses of the Starwars universe. This whole Black vs white, dark vs light ideal, it's too simplistic. No room for the "shades of grey". I mean Luke and Obi wan momentarily step into these shades of grey, and because it doesn't conform to the jedi ideal every thinks "OMG they used the dark side!!!". Imo It makes them stronger Jedi's, the shaolin work on the same sorta principles as the Jedi's (discipline, violence as a last resort, defense only) but they are still the most kick a$$ Fookers in the world. "The force is only used for defence, never for attack." Ever heard the axiom "the best defence is a strong offence?" Plus have you ever heard the saying "to know the light, you must walk in the dark"? Just my thoughts Love Ads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 I don't know for sure what Obi-Wan was thinking at the time (if I ignore the books). It seems to me that Obi-Wan may be more cynical and "vengeful" than we originally even could believe; he was always a perfect example of "pure" Jedi Knight. Even though he spoke about Anakin as his old friend while talking with Luke, AOTC shows scenes where he verbally kicks Anakin many times and doesn't believe how important the boy really is. Apparently, he never believed in the prophecy. Ultimately, the downfall of Anakin was partially because of Obi-Wan. He never was as good master as Qui-Gon Jinn was and when he failed, he thought that it would be impossible to convert Anakin back to the light side of the Force. He even made Luke to believe there was no other way than to kill Vader, but in this case Luke did what Obi-Wan never could do: the son believed in his father much more than the master believed in his pupil. In AOTC Anakin sees Obi-Wan as a father figure he never had. So, from certain point of view, Obi-Wan wanted to "avenge" the death of the Jedi, but because he was too old to do that by himself, he used Luke instead as a weapon. Of course Luke was his and Yoda's last hope(let's forget Leia in this case), but how convenient it was to train your enemy's own son to fight againts him which might look a little bit ironic wictory if succesful and therefore be the last practical joke to your old pupil. This is only a theory I have been pondering, but it makes Obi-Wan seem much more human and adds depth into his character, but most importantly it shows that even the Jedi had their own individual weaknesses and a pride that went before their fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl lightstar Posted May 13, 2002 Share Posted May 13, 2002 Agreed, just like everything in the old republic era, corrupt and complacent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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