hvydarktrooper Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Please vote for this poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by hvydarktrooper Please vote for this poll! Uhh this shouldnt be a poll... More Midiclorians=the one who is gonna win.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jäger Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 It depends on what kind of fight... what kind of force powers are being used? Are we talking ROTJ final battle Vader vs Duel of the Fates Maul? In swordplay, Maul would stomp Vader, Vader is big and pretty slow, easy kill for an expert duelist such as Maul. In his prime, as a human, with the force as his ally, Vader wins. My Verdict: With Force*: Vader With Out Force**: Maul *With force meaning like, full force in JO, including choke, and perhaps lightning, though I think lightning would fry Vader if he used it. **Without force meaning still using all "physical" aspects of the force, such as Maul's jumping and quickness in lightsaber combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hvydarktrooper Posted May 14, 2002 Author Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hey Luke had less than vader. He killed him. Darth Maul has double blade? I think it would be a good fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolsen Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Vader and, do I smell swamp gas? This thread should be moved to Yoda's Swamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by hvydarktrooper Hey Luke had less than vader. He killed him. Darth Maul has double blade? I think it would be a good fight! I thought Luke would have more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hvydarktrooper Posted May 14, 2002 Author Share Posted May 14, 2002 Luke wasn't even a Jedi until he killed vader. Remember in EPISODE 1 when they said Anakin had the most medicloriens. So Vader has more. Luke was just learning the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Luke = Vader/Anakin's son...he got midiclorians off his dad, and off his mom, and made some more himself...And he wasn't a Jedi before he killed vader only because his training requred to...it was a test, not a birthmark..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tozier Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Why the hell did lucas think up Midiclorians? And notice that noone can spell them the same way...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketman Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 i'd say vader would win. just because we never got to see flashy moves in the movies doesn't mean he couldin't do it, maybe the suit gives him super fast abilities even without the force on his side, we don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EekTheKat Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Vader. Read a really good explanation like a year ago when PM came out. Darth Maul apparently leaves quite a lot of openings in his defense when he jumps and moves around like that. IMHO Vader totally threw that last fight with Luke too. At one point I remember him just stop blocking and leaned by himself against the railing in an effort to look like Luke overpowered him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 That's so...imaginative lololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyGH Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 (Vader beat Obi Wan) + (Obi Wan beat Maul) = Vader beat Maul Yes I know all the various problems with that reasoning (Obi old, Obi threw fight, Maul missing a blade, etc. . ) so don't flame my ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk-raider Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 it makes sense to me.. how could a fully trained sithlord be beat by a a guy who was basicaly alittle above a padawan.. vader didnt want to win if anything he saw it as a opertunity to over throw the old man.. im just sure vader didnt forsee getting a asshload of lighting thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zek Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Maul would win, because when Vader was around, the fight choreography sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 I think Anakin's question should have been: "Blah, blah, blah...how do you spell 'midichlorians?'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norvolt Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 I see Darth Maul swinging like a newbie hitting nothing but air and Vader in a nice solid heavy stance knocking that Maul around like a little B***h. Yes maul has speed but Vader is just that much stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargazer Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by =SSC=Kal-El Uhh this shouldnt be a poll... More Midiclorians=the one who is gonna win.... Midiclorians do not exist. Sorry but i think the idea is so lame i will not consider that explanation. Why ?!? Because Midiclorians remove any personal merit and skill, reducing Jedi duels to a matter of who's had the best 'sperm' doner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by Stargazer Midiclorians do not exist. Sorry but i think the idea is so lame i will not consider that explanation. Why ?!? Because Midiclorians remove any personal merit and skill, reducing Jedi duels to a matter of who's had the best 'sperm' doner... Midichlorians, have nothing to do with how hard a Jedi trains. Anakin had more Midichlorians than Yoda, which of those two do you think would win? And the fight choreography was not worse back then. It was actually much better, as near as I can tell--even though the new one looked much cooler to the untrained eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digl Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Thread swamped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargazer Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril Midichlorians, have nothing to do with how hard a Jedi trains. Anakin had more Midichlorians than Yoda, which of those two do you think would win? Hu ?!? What's your point ?!? Give Anakim half the training Yoda endured and he might still win, does that sound normal to you ?!? In a Jedi training camp (if such a thing existed in the Star Wars universe ) the best students would be the ones with the best parents, whitch is very irritating. Imagine a 20 years old Jedi who made the force his life , a young and noble warrior who endures pain and sacrifice everyday in honor of his art, to be a example for the light and a menace to the dark side. One day our hero meets a spoiled little teenager who spends his days playing with a futuristic version of a gameboy, and that uses the light saber only to look cool with his friends. They start figthing ,but our hero will lose the duel becase the little brat parents were relativies of Anakim. Does THAT sound normal to you ?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic~Angel Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Uh I don't recall the triumphant part were Luke shoves his lightsaber through Vader.... Someone refresh my memory? Also I do recall how Vader saved luke by playing Basketball with Palpatine. Maul however was in a two on one fight and if ya watch it enough times you see him boot Obi-wan in the face (hehe its kinda funny now). Also when Obi beats Maul he's pissed off and uses his rage or vengeance for his master to kill Maul. Vader however does wipe out almost all the Jedi alongside his master and the powerful army. But then again Vader is slower now in his Robo suit and well...mauls lying in two pieces at the bottom of a generator. BTW whats up with bad guys going for a bath in the generator? Two bad guys out of 3 become fuel for it... I'm ranting now....good night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by Stargazer Hu ?!? What's your point ?!? Give Anakim half the training Yoda endured and he might still win, does that sound normal to you ?!? In a Jedi training camp (if such a thing existed in the Star Wars universe ) the best students would be the ones with the best parents, whitch is very irritating. Imagine a 20 years old Jedi who made the force his life , a young and noble warrior who endures pain and sacrifice everyday in honor of his art, to be a example for the light and a menace to the dark side. One day our hero meets a spoiled little teenager who spends his days playing with a futuristic version of a gameboy, and that uses the light saber only to look cool with his friends. They start figthing ,but our hero will lose the duel becase the little brat parents were relativies of Anakim. Does THAT sound normal to you ?!? What exactly are you so bitter about? No offense but you're taking this a little too personally. What you just described is life. Some people are smarter than other people, they do better on tests than people who work hard, even though they do no work themselves. I'm sorry that you consider reality lame...but it's not like a game, it can't really be patched, unless you have the Dev teams email address? The Force was ALWAYS this way, some people are stronger in it than others, midichlorians just explain why. Get over midichlorians, they do not change the Force, or the nature of the Force. All they do is say WHY some people are stronger in it than others, and why some people can connect to it, and some can't. High midichlorian counts don't even mean you can become a Jedi. Remember how Anakin still had to be tested, even though they knew his midichlorian count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power_ed Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 it depends.. is it a saber only server? What forces are enabled, and how many forcepoints do they have ? Well.. i think Vader would win, but Maul's propably gonna spam that backsweep move.. damn ass-fighter :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargazer Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril What exactly are you so bitter about? No offense but you're taking this a little too personally. What you just described is life. Some people are smarter than other people, they do better on tests than people who work hard, even though they do no work themselves. I'm sorry that you consider reality lame...but it's not like a game, it can't really be patched, unless you have the Dev teams email address? There are no real life-like differences here. Being a Jedi (or whatever other kind of warrior for that matter, real or eitherwise) is the result of many many things, some innate some not. However, for every 'lucky' ones who are smarter and physically proficent enought to put themselves above the commoner there is always a constant : personal strenght, whitch results in hight charisma and magnetism, the stuff that makes heroes. Most of the time, such individuals have the drive to endure great sacrifices as well, whitch makes them subject of admiration. All this traits might be randomly placed throught rare genetic combination, but make no mistake, their persona reflects their power inch by inch. Hence, you don't have a 15 years old punk lifting star ships around, Yoda can thought, he has the look for it (venerable master as in somebody who EARN IT) and it's ok. Anakim on the other end (at least the way he's played in this last movies ) doesn't strike you as somebody of great power (or even someone who holds such potential), he looks like your average nu-metal teenager, and you know that without this Midiclorians nonsense he wouldn't have gotten nowhere. On top of that, natural advantages are not as determinant as Midiclorians are. Training is much more important, as well as passion and willpower (whitch is ,IMO, what makes the force stronger. The force was always been left unexplaned for a good reason : the mystical element of it, you didn't know, and that was the best thing about it). Originally posted by Vestril The Force was ALWAYS this way, some people are stronger in it than others, midichlorians just explain why. When Luke tried to lift his ship, and couldn't do it, what do you think was happening there ?!? Do you think a individual with greater midichlorians density would have managed to do better ?!? If so, doesn't that contratic the point Yoda was trying to make with that test in the first place ?!? He knew Luke couldn't have done it, and it wasn't because Luke didn't have enought midichlorians or because he was too inexperienced. He simply didn't have the will power and innersight to accomplish his task. He was too impatient, he didn't want to go throught the understanding necessary , he wanted to get there right away, without the necessary sacrifice. The way of the Dark Side. However, when he fights Vader for the second time, he is not as emotional anymore, he has a broader understanding of his own self (and therefore the force), and he is able to access a greater power. He became stronger in the force, not throught genetic disposition, but througth personal merit. Originally posted by Vestril Get over midichlorians, they do not change the Force, or the nature of the Force. All they do is say WHY some people are stronger in it than others, and why some people can connect to it, and some can't. The why was explaned already in the original movies, the force is a mistical entity, and it's tied with ones persona, not body. Who really needed a further explanation ?!? Maybe Quigon was just making things easy for retarded Anakim (who at 8 shouldn't really need 'baby' talk anymore), or maybe Lucas felt he had to screw his own creation even further, who know, who cares, it still sucks Originally posted by Vestril High midichlorian counts don't even mean you can become a Jedi. Remember how Anakin still had to be tested, even though they knew his midichlorian count? He needed to be tested in order to see if he could become a Jedi (whitch is something more than a force user, for once, you don't learn sword fencing with the force). He failed the test, he was trained anyway, and we all know how it ended up. The point of the original movie was that he had a incredible understanding of the force, and he was consumed by the sweet taste of it's power. The point of the new movies is that he is extrimely powerful because of this midichlorian, and that he is a bad person that will turn into the Dark Side. Of course, people forgot one thing about that part, you don't turn into the Dark Side ,the Dark Side drives you to it. Anakim didn't became Vader because he was bad. He had great 'power' but he was too 'weak' to handle it (hows that for a oxymoron ). Bha, don't mind me, i berely remember most of this crap anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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