Top reasons why "Saber off = peace" is getting really annoying...

[Homosexual Ewok]

1-Some idiot runs right through the middle of a fight (with his saber off) to try and grab health or shields, gets killed and then cries "Saber off = peace".

 

2-A person stops in the middle of a narrow hallway in front of you and starts typing their entire life story to the server. They won't move, get killed, the cry "Saber off = peace".

 

3-I am sorry, but I do not wish to duel one on one with every damn "Padawan" in the server. If I don't accept your challenge and start walking towards you, chances are I am going to kill you. It might be a good idea to turn your saber on. I don't want to sound mean, but I get really bored dueling one on one with guys who always fall off the ledges and have a score of "-6"...

 

4-Players that will turn off their saber and run to grab health in the middle of a fight. "But..But..."Saber off = peace!"

 

5-Players that come into a server that does not have a set of established rules regarding this, and start voting other players off the server for killing them, even though the kicked player was there before them.

 

6-Players that seem to think every damn square inch of the map is a "no kill zone". Like in Bespin, everyone who wants to duel goes up to the platform, every map has a "duel section" that we all go to. Pretty much anywhere else is fair game right? No...."Saber off = peace" no matter where you are, what you are doing, you can not for any reason, kill someone unless you give them 5 minutes warning...

 

7-When I am on one of those "no established rules" servers, using a name like "Saber off = dead you moron", players that still seem to think I will follow "their" set of rules regarding game play. Guess what happens when I kill them...Call Vote, kick Saber off = dead you moron. "But..But..."Saber off = peace!"

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't spawn kill, I don't go around looking for "type kills" and if there are a bunch of guys waiting around for a duel, I don't mess with them.

 

But dammit, in a FFA server there are going to be times when you get in my way and the fastest way to remove you is cut you down. You want to turn your saber off and meditate? Go find a dark corner that is out of the way.

 

And as for the running away, if you do it even once during a fight I will show you zero tolerance for the rest of the game. Even if I am down to 1 health I will stick it out (and probably die) to the end.

 

I tried doing the *ASC* thing, but 90% of the time people would ask, "What clan is dat?"

[Xzzy]

heheh I like people that try to bitch me out for not bowing before a duel.

 

I won't attack someone for a few seconds if they wanna do their stupid gayass bow, but don't expect me to operate under the same code.

 

if my saber is lit you better be prepared for me to attack when I approach.

[Vestril]

bah, I hate it when you're dueling with someone and in the middle of the fight they turn their sabers off then walk up and try to slash at the perfect possible moment, taking advantage of the Saber off=peace 'rule'

 

When I'm dueling, unless they start talking, saber off=easy kill.

[Tarus]

You forgot one...

 

The guys that run around with their saber off and using force push and pull to shove people around hoping no one notices them. Then of course if you kill them.........

[Homosexual Ewok]

Hehe, you noticed that too?

 

The other day some guy tried to pull me off a ledge to no avail, I got close and did the *Play Evil Sinister Music*...pull-back stab combo.

 

Naturally his saber was down and I got kicked from the server, but it was worth the laugh.

[Dracofyre]

The only time I make it a point NOT to kill someone is if they're standing right outside a dueling arena with they're sabers off (i.e. bespin platform) or if they're standing in a quiet area (no combat happening) with they're sabers off and that console thingy over their head. That saber off=peace stuff is just crap, but for those who do like it, guess what.

[pipsqueak]

Hm... I don't follow any set of rules really, FFA - run around with your saber down and you're asking to be slayed. Stand put and out of the way - np.

Duel - initial bow, after that we fight [and I believe that everyone should bow/nodd before dueling since "duel - formal combat; to settle a matter of honour" though that's imho].

[Jedi_Jack]

i always think it's funny that everyone seems to need some sort of code of rules for every freakin' online game. imho, it's KILL OR BE KILLED. i'll try not to get in the way of two ppl dueling, but in the end, i'm there for MY FUN and i could care less about some bloody arbitrary code of ethics that others made up for the gaming community to live by. i never got a chance to cast MY vote on this, so screw the rules...play with your friends and be a good sport--what other rules do we need?!

 

good on ya, homo ewok, for making a VERY good post!

[Stargazer]

I think it's always funny when codes are made some people will brake them not becuase they want to, just because they think the code is being enforced down their throats they can enforce their on set of rules back.

 

The rules are there to ensure everybody has fun with the game.

 

Since people have different 'conceptions' of what fun is rules need to be very leastic.

 

This is my own saber code, whitch i think it's pretty fair

 

1)It's considered a courtesy to leave a person with it's saber down alone, expecially if this person is in a non 'hot-zone'.

Chances are, this individuals are either being distracted by something happening in their homes or are waiting in line for a duel. Either way it doesn't make much sense to attack them for duellists never reach hight scores, and if you attack a lone person standing in a cold-zone your setting yourself in the same situation of a duellist. Infact, the real big scores can only be attenined by jumping into a big fight.

 

If you go after a lone guy for a easy kill your just wasting time and scores that are happening in the big fight.

 

On top of that, if it's a duelist you're attacking chances are you're going to die rather then kill him.

 

Mind you, this is not the same as attacking some fool walking into a corridor with their saber down, a person standing still it's a totally different deal. The fool walking with the saber down might be trying to do something, and deserves to be taken down.

Also, when you are walking around it's very common to smash into other players ,and most of the times those have their saber up. It happened to me as well, i once ran into a guy with the saber down and i instantly attacked him. When he retialiate i just took the sword down and let him beat me, untill he stopped and i had a chance to tell him i was sorry. He apologized too and we just walked away. I did that just because i like to play that way, but under the rules i should have smacked the dude and drop him dead.

 

As i said, rules are there for allowing everybody to have fun.

 

A guy standing still with the saber down does not want to play (for the moment), and should be left alone (nor there would be a point in attacking them, for the reasons i stated before).

 

A guy walking around with the saber down is asking for trouble, either incidently or intentionally, 'cause if you don't want play at that time than YOU SHOULDN'T (I.E. no hiding behind saber down while getting your health back), it's as simple as that.

 

Wanna duel ?!? Wanna leave the game and go get a beer ?!? sure, just get out of the way and keep still.

 

In duel, this is a totally different story.

 

There are several reasons to take your saber down in a duel.

 

First, for effect. You start a duel, you have the sword down, you bow your head and star fighting, very cool, i do that all the time.

 

However, after the duel started, taking your saber down means nothing, the guy has every right to attack you. Taking the saber down and bow your head is valid only before the fight starts.

 

If you want to take down the sword for effect (as you walk around, as if studing your opponet) you can do that, but don't expect your opponent to stop attacking.

 

In FFA you want to take the saber down just to get out of the game, but that is not a valid reason in a duel. If you stop playing

in a duel mode, everybody else does, not very cool.

 

So people, avoid stupid tricks by taking your saber down and hoping to take your opponent by surprise.

 

2) Typing. Under no circumnstances you can attack a guy that is typing, unless he does it in the middle of a fight in a FFA mode and has nothing to say to you or wants to talk and you don't.

 

Do not start talking to him if you want to play dirty. If you have something going on with a player, either some pratical jokes or a 'jedi' convarsation (just to give the game something more) it's not considered very smart to broke that friendly connection by pissing the guy off. I'm not saying you should be voted out for doing (unless you do it constantly,or start a convarsation just to trick your opponent, that's a different story, even thought i wouldn't mind too much, sounds pretty funny to me ), this is FFA game after all, you can do whatever you like

 

In duel, you should never attack a guy that is typing, expecially if he pulls back to do it (I.E., he doesn't want to trick you). Chances are, he wants to say a one liner that could enhance the game, why trying to ruin the game by attacking the dude ?!? You know that is going to piss him off, as well as everybody else, since everybody is whatching you at the moment. There is also no reason to attack a person who's typing in a duel game. Everybody will know what kind of player you are and how that fight was won, and that can be good or bad depend on what kind of people you are playing with. Chances are, your getting your ass voted out, and you shouldn't complain either. There is a reason why people duel, and that reason is not about 'winning at all cost'.

 

You duel becuase you have other people whatching your fight and that can be pretty exiting, so whatch what you do.

 

If you wanna play dirty, go in a FFA game or play with people you know will like that kind of behavior. If you see the majority wants to abide to certain rules, don't get too offended if you get voted out, as i said, duels always rapresent a special case.

 

3)Don't f*ck around. Don't whine, don't accuse, don't be a sore loser, don't invent exscuses, don't insult your adversaries, don't act like 10 years old, don't be arrogant if you are a good player. In other words ,just shut the f*ck up and play.

 

This kind of behavior is pretty dump in all games.

 

In FFA, you're just going to draw attention to yourself , whitch is very bad (you don't really want 20 people after your ass, i see it happen, and it's not nice to look at ).

 

In a duel mode, everybody is whatching you, so what's the point ?!? To get voted off ?!?

 

4)If a person is getting halted by lag in a duel, give him some time.

 

Wait 10-20 second and then start a countdown.

 

If nothing happens get rid of him and keep playing.

 

If a person is getting haleted by lag in FFA, just leave him a lone.

 

You can get a easy kill, and the guy knows he can't never hope to gather a good score anyway due the slow connection, so it's not too bad if you do attack.

 

However, you know the lag is going to make him a very weak adversary, so you can still have your easy kill and let the poor bastard play, that is always what i do. I wait 5 seconds and if he still doesn't move i just walk away.

 

Mind you, as i said, in this case you're not forced to let him live, but killing him is rather lame, at least for me.

 

So far, that is my code.

 

I have many other rules, but those i usually follow for myself, and should not be enforced to anybody.

 

As i said, i think this code is pretty fair, and anyone braking those few rules should not complain is they get voted off, anyone braking those rules is a lamer in my eyes.

[Aerys]

I run a server.

 

The server has posted rules.

 

The rules say "No Saber = Don't Attack, use Force *OR* kick!"

 

That means (for those of you with an IQ less than an ant's)

 

1. If you have a saber off (or are typing), you cannot be attacked.

 

That does NOT mean its ok to drop your saber in the middle of a fight and run off and heal. I personally hunt those idiots down myself.

 

2. If you have a saber off, you cannot use force or kick people.

 

That's only fair since the people who aren't attacking you have no fair warning what you're about to do.

 

Other rule I enforce in game is no spamming of moves like Backslash and DFA, and to refrain from using vulgar or racist language. I ask people who insist on doing that to leave.

 

Its amazing how many people I get on the server that can't seem to follow these simple rules even though they are right in their face when they connect. They seem to think they have a God-given right to kill anything that moves since they paid their good money for this game.

 

If they don't like those rules, there are plenty of other servers out there for them to play on. Most people who frequent my server LIKE the fact that they can run around and look for duels, chat or play FFA if they like.

 

That doesn't mean however they can act like morons and block hallways, start typing in the middle of a fight or use force when their saber is down.

[Soulless]

My rules are if someone that hasn't directly challenged me or isnt in the middle of a melee has there sabre down...i leave or study until he does something interesting.

If they put there sabre down in the middle of a fight, it's there own fault.

I have a code...just not a very nice one.

[Messy_Dwarf]

I keep my saber down and run around just so I can hear others with their sabers on easier. I generally ignore sabers = peace because they are just gathering stuff most of the time anyways and that is still an act of war to me.

 

Following codes will just get you killed.

[crazyplaya73]

If someone kills me when my saber is off I really don't give a crap. Its only 1 kill for them and it doesn't decrease my score. Sure they don't understand that perhaps you had a phone call or your wife was bitchin at you for playing a stupid game all night but whatever. It really doesn't affect your score. I've also hit people with there saber off in the heat of the moment. If I see that they obviously are not playing at the monment I leave them alone but if I see them running away or trying to be a smart ass they get chopped in half.

[Remmah]

Wow who gives a ****. They payed for the game, they can complain all they want.

 

Edit: Watch the language, please. --Denise

[Swifty]

Love this thread. The point about these so called honour codes is a great one. To me the codes are written in the manual, under game types. FFA= kill or be killed. Trying to insert nobility into a game mode that is intended to be mindless is well...mindless. Waiting in line for duels is silly in FFA, join a duel server for gawd's sake.

 

This one goof was chastising me for "abusing" kick. He also stopped to tell me this in mid swing, then proceeded to say I was cheating for attacking while he was chatting. I WAS IN MID SWING FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. I marvel at how these people have defined gameplay for everyone else, then proceed to use their own cheese. This same guy then blue backstabbed about 5 people in a row. Yawn.

 

In duels, I will shut my sabre down simply to not give away what stance I'm using before an attack. I will do the bowing thing if others are, until I get attacked by someone. It usually happens where some new guy enters a server and throws for a couple easy hits, while I'm expecting a bow. My bad, but after that I come out swinging for EVERYONE.

[tempest8008]

I agree with most of you.

 

FFA means FREE FOR ALL.

 

I have only two words for you if you are fighting in a server that is a FFA server: DEFEND YOURSELF

 

If you are in a FFA server with your saber off or are otherwise unarmed, then you are an idiot.

 

I have only two criteria where in a FFA server you should NOT attack everyone you see.

 

1) If the icon is over their head indicating they are typing or working on Force assignments. That person is helpless, killing them is the move of a gutless swine.

 

2) If, as mentioned above, you are gathered with a bunch of like-minded people watching other's duel. BUT, as it IS a FFA server, be prepared to fight no matter what.

 

 

I know that if you are watching a duel in a FFA server you could be in a Duel server instead, but I don't get the same feel from a Duel server that I do in a FFA server. I like being able to move my character around, pick up health and shields, watch the general melee going on down under the bridges (I'm thinking Bespin here, of course) and then saunter over to the platform to watch or join the dueling. It's more fun than just watching two people go at it over and over again.

[Tekken]

The only time this bugs me is when I've taken the time to find an out-of-the-way corner, turn my saber off, face the corner, hit 'escape' to turn on the chat thingy, and some idiot STILL kills me.

 

Generally, I'll only attack a person with their saber off if they're running around, and not heading towards a duel spot.

[Aerys]

For me its quite simple.

 

The rules of my server are posted when you connect.

 

If you don't like the rules, go find another server. There are PLENTY out there, you don't need to play on mine.

 

I love the idiots who think they can do as they please just because the game is FFA.

 

I tell them "if you don't like it, leave".

 

Then I escort them to the door.

[Bluezman]

I know that if you are watching a duel in a FFA server you could be in a Duel server instead, but I don't get the same feel from a Duel server that I do in a FFA server. I like being able to move my character around, pick up health and shields, watch the general melee going on down under the bridges (I'm thinking Bespin here, of course) and then saunter over to the platform to watch or join the dueling. It's more fun than just watching two people go at it over and over again.

 

Thank you very much indeed for making this point, I agree 100% and I always wanted to point this out to people who are bitching "go find a duel server".

 

Free For All also means to be free to watch the duel or just run around the map or just goof around jumping on top of each other, do some training i.e. explain moves to each other, tryout stuff etc., things you can't do on a duel server.

 

BUT!!! Big "but" here...

If I am doing so, I simply want to have some casual fun, I don't care about scores and therefore I also don't whine if somebody kills me anyway.

 

If I run around the map (e.g. after respawning getting back to the Pad on Bespin) and have my saber down I still am ready if someone attacks me. I put down my saber so that people see "oh, thats one of the goofs that hang out at the platform, I'd rather leave him alone and go fighting with the other ppl under the bridges".

 

If he wants to attack me anyway, fine thats ok with me. Hey, it's Free For All, right? I just quickly whip his a$$ and then proceed to the Pad

 

Anyway, sometimes people "from under the bridges" make their way to "the Pad" and push people off or cause trouble. Now thats just rude. I don't even mind getting killed (scorewise) because most of the time it's just about having nice duels, no matter the score (the big scores are being made under the bridges anyway...). It is just stupid, you watch a nice duel, hoping to challenge the winner, and then someone pushes you off so you have to run all the way back after respawning. Duh.

 

Basically I adept to the "flow of the server". I've played games on Bespin, where the whole map was pure FFA fighting with huge saber balls even on the pad and I had lots of fun. If the dynamic just works out this way there's no point in enforcing rules like "hey, only duels on the pad!" or "hey, saber down=peace!"(unless it's a server rule that can be read on connect). It's like: just don't get on the fu<>ing highway during rush hour!.

 

In other games there's just duels on the Pad and FFA fighting under the bridges.

 

Just be flexible and have fun.

[tempest8008]

Originally posted by Bluezman

 

....Free For All also means to be free to watch the duel or just run around the map or just goof around jumping on top of each other, do some training i.e. explain moves to each other, tryout stuff etc., things you can't do on a duel server.

 

...

 

Just be flexible and have fun.

 

 

Exactly.

Free For All means do your own thing. If you want to stand in a corner and jump up and down, go ahead and do that.

 

If you want to practice your wall walking, go ahead, knock yourself out.

 

BUT, everyone else is there to do THEIR own thing too, and that may include hunting you down and sticking a saber in your ribs. You have all the tools at your disposal that they do, and it IS a game designed around combat...

 

DEFEND YOURSELF if attacked, attack if you want to attack. Respect others, eat your greens, and make sure you're home before the streetlights come on....

[Spidey]

Well I am taking a break from JK2 because I am too busy with Morrowind at the moment. Plus I am kind of sick of people complaining online and I am sick of people doign the same moves over and over.

 

But mostly I am sick of these people running around going Saber Off = Peace so that I can go heal and then I will attack people when I am healed.

 

Let me ask you this....

 

 

In Star Wars: A New Hope...when Obi Wan turned off his lightsaber

 

(a) Darth Vader said "Saber Off=Peace. You can go now Obi"

 

(b)Chopped him down like the Wussy Jedi that he is.

[Bluezman]

waidaminute...

 

Are we coming to an agreement here?

 

QUICK! Someone post a stupid argument so we can keep this post alive!

 

Please, someone complain about....uh....something.....uh...like....RUNNING!!

 

You know, what really pisses me off is all those people actually RUNNING all over the map. I mean, get real!! There is a reason why Raven made people spawn in different spots! They didn't mean people to run all over the place! RUNNING WHORES! Just stay where you are after spawning, use any move you want, backstab, DFA, jump, chat, do whatever, but JUST. DON'T. RUN AROUND!!!

:D :D

[tempest8008]

SPAWN WHORES!

 

All of you are Spawn whores! When I kill you with my super SKILLZ have the sense to stay dead...

 

[Bluezman]

ROFL

[Stormcrow]

who started this whole 'bow before you duel' stuff? I hadn't seen it before, got into a duel, and i was wondering why the guy wasnt fighting me and looking at the floor. I hit him with a heavy saber blow, and he was like, 'wtf i was bowing!' I mean, what is the point of bowing? you've already signalled tha you're ready to fight by accepting the duel in the first place!