dorain8 Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 STORM TROOPERS ARE NOT CLONES clone troopers are clones. all i have to say to prove this is, davin felth. and if you say only imperial officers are not clones, in AOTC officers were clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norin Radd Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Stormtroopers ARE Clones, that evolved from the Clone Army of the Republic. It has been said time and again in the SW Universe. Imperial officers like Grand Moff Tarkin(Episode IV), General Veers(Episode V), and Admiral Piett(Episode VI), in essence, anyone whose face is visible, are NOT clones. Since Jango Fett was such an excellent pilot, you can be sure the TIE FIGHTER PILOTS were clones as well. As were the Biker Scouts. . . you get the point. Who is Davin Felth? In AOTC, the "officers"(in the armor)were clone army officers, and if you notice their shoulder color patches are the same as the storm troopers rank insignia in Episode IV, with some slight variations in design. If you have other sources, then post a link or resource, and I'll have no problem admitting that I was in error. NOW THE DEBATE IS FINISHED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Okay, so much to post... First to say Stromtroopers are not clones based on books is like saying Boba Fett is named Jaster Mereel and used to be an imperial journeyman, um... not anymore! So, books are not canon and are obviously subject to being changed and/or refuted. Secondly, the accent thing. Sure Clones of Jango are going to have an accent, but Jango's dead. The next "template" for the clones may not have an accent. Something to think about... Then, who would have outlawed clones after the war? Well, it's kinda obvious... that's right... Palpatine. Now tell me that makes sense. Palpatine is going to eliminate his source of a fast and extremely loyal army right when he's about to rock the boat by declaring himself Emperor. I don't think so! Maybe he would make it illegal for other people to be making clones, but do you honestly think that this purely evil man who uses clones as the backbone of his rise to power is going to stop using them because people don't like them? right... Leia says to Luke in the detention area "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" This implies that Stormtroopers are a set height. Yes, this is not necessarily damning evidence, just a little help that's all But here's more food for thought: In Episode 4: A New Hope the Imperial officer on the Death Star called for the Stormtrooper who was ambushed by Luke, Chewie, Obiwan and Han on the Falcon. Remember what he called him? That's right TK421, a serial number. That's all clones are: numbers. If they were conscripts , then why not call them private smith or trooper smith. We already see the definate conscripts (The Generals, Admirals, and officers) being referred to by name, not number. i.e. General Veers, Admiral Needa, Captain Piet. Are you telling me they started out as numbers and then get names? That doesn't work so well. Also, As far as being to old and dying too fast. They were accelerated to full maturity, but then are allowed to grow at normal rate. They don't continue to grow at an accelerated rate after they mature. They need an army fast, not a bunch of kids. But what would be the point of making an army that grows to old to use in a matter of 10 years! Look at Boba, he was taken off the accelerated growth at a youg age, he ages normal now. The Clonetroopers are taken off it at around the age 18-25, then grow at normal rate. Clones don't just age that way because they are clones. They are injected/fed/etc something that allows them to grow faster, but then grow at normal rate when that stimulant is not used anymore. Otherwise Boba would have been ancient by Episode 4-6. The idea that Stormtroopers are a mix of clones and conscripts is certainly viable. But to say that stormtroopers are not clones at this point, is a bit rash and basically throwing out logic in favor of saving your EU stories being shattered and rendered moot. Clonetroopers are the Republic army, but when Palpatine becomes Emperor, he makes some changes. The armor will change and he'll call them Stormtroopers for a fear factor and most importantly, to signify that the Old Republic is truly dead. The clones are led and commanded by conscripts, the officers, Admirals, Captains, and Generals. Republic-> Clonetroopers Empire-> Stormtroopers Same thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COJ Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 who cares if Stormtroppers are clone or not, there cool no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 About the accent thing: Accents are not inherited even if your a clone. Accents come about with how your raised to speak and pronounce words. It has nothing to do with the dna or genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Originally posted by MotionMan About the accent thing: Accents are not inherited even if your a clone. Accents come about with how your raised to speak and pronounce words. It has nothing to do with the dna or genes. Absolutely! I already knew this, but I was using my somewhat "flawed" explanation for the sake of arguement! Scientifically, as you pointed out, Accents mean nothing and have nothing to do with the cloning process and/or genetics. Of course, that would render some peoples arguments completely moot, and it's not nice to pull the carpet out from underneath someone's soapbox! (But who said we have to be nice ) Thank You Motion Man, for adding even more evidence in the Stormtroopers are clones arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Originally posted by Norin Radd Stormtroopers ARE Clones, that evolved from the Clone Army of the Republic. It has been said time and again in the SW Universe. Imperial officers like Grand Moff Tarkin(Episode IV), General Veers(Episode V), and Admiral Piett(Episode VI), in essence, anyone whose face is visible, are NOT clones. Since Jango Fett was such an excellent pilot, you can be sure the TIE FIGHTER PILOTS were clones as well. As were the Biker Scouts. . . you get the point. Who is Davin Felth? In AOTC, the "officers"(in the armor)were clone army officers, and if you notice their shoulder color patches are the same as the storm troopers rank insignia in Episode IV, with some slight variations in design. If you have other sources, then post a link or resource, and I'll have no problem admitting that I was in error. NOW THE DEBATE IS FINISHED. Umm... skill isn't inherited in DNA, so therefore, your basis of why TIE pilots and Scout Troopers are clones is inaccurate. Also, Imperials hire different species for Stormtroopers too... it's just not common... and Davin Felth was one of the Troopers on Tatooine... if I remember correctly, he was the one who said "Look sir, droids". And for the person who noticed "TK421", that's a call number. There are millions of Storm Troopers, do you think that the officers are going to know them by name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Originally posted by Jaster21801 And for the person who noticed "TK421", that's a call number. There are millions of Storm Troopers, do you think that the officers are going to know them by name? Um...there are Hundreds of thousands of troops in our Armed Forces and they all have names! Not EVERY Stormtrooper is under ONE commander, he wouldn't have to know all there names. Just the ones assigned to his platoon, force, unit etc.... TK421 is not a callsign, callsigns are easy to remember and say. For instance Bravo 1, Gold 5, Red Leader, Charlie 6 etc. Why make it so difficult and use TK421? Because it's not a callsign, it's a serial number, they are clones and have no names, only numbers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Davin Felth = named troop. serial numbers/call numbers are easier. corporations use call numbers for people. What do you think our social security numbers are? My point is, those original clones would be about 40 at the time of ANH and 52+ at the time of ROTJ so therefore, it doesn't seem plausible that the Empire would use clones unless they continued to manufacture them. But Kamino is so distant that that's not exactly practical either. And Al from Al's Skins Site made a good point in this strip -> http://al.jediknightii.net/dcm/strips/86.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Davin Felth = Print Obi-wan and Owen brothers = Print Boba Fett's real name Jaster Mereel = Print Books and print are moot. They are completely subject to change by Lucas at this point. Yes, we have social security numbers, but we don't go around calling each other by there social security numbers do we? Why, if the troops had names, would they be calling them by their social security numbers (call signs, if you prefer), you and I both know it's easier to remember names then it is numbers. So obviously, they don't have names A.K.A. CLONES! I've worked for several Corporations and the currently work for the Government (The largest Employer in the world) and no one has ever referred to me as a number! Please give an example of a Corporation that calls it's employees by number rather than name! Yes the original clones would be getting up there in years, but why is it impossible for Palpatine to have been creating new clone armies the entire time to replenish the aging clones or clones killed in action? Who would stop him? Need I remind you that he is an Emperor (meaning he has control over EVERYTHING and he makes the rules!), and the Rebellion would be in it's infancy (if it existed as "The Rebellion" yet at all) Plus, the Rebellion had just won their first victory right before episode 4 according to the opening crawl, which suggest that the Rebellion could not have stopped Palpatine from cloning more armies until just then (if they did at all!)! Kamino being too distant? Why is it NOT too far away in Episode 2 to make clones and use their armies, but all of a sudden it becomes too far away after Episode 2. Does some kind of cataclysmic event occur that hurls Kamino out of it's orbit and into deep space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xX-Ender-Xx Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 I agree with Havoc, he seems like he knows pretty much everything and it SOUNDS right... It was possible for Palpatine too have clones being made for all that time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Yeah Havoc. Good points and well argued. New debate captain 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Yes, we have social security numbers, but we don't go around calling each other by there social security numbers do we? Why, if the troops had names, would they be calling them by their social security numbers (call signs, if you prefer), you and I both know it's easier to remember names then it is numbers. So obviously, they don't have names A.K.A. CLONES The Empire is a huge machine, they are called by their numbers to dehumanize them, it would be part of their training. You no longer have a name--you aren't that valuable to the empire, you're just a number, an expendeble resource. TK421 is not a callsign, callsigns are easy to remember and say. For instance Bravo 1, Gold 5, Red Leader, Charlie 6 etc. Why make it so difficult and use TK421? Because it's not a callsign, it's a serial number, they are clones and have no names, only numbers! Because there are thousands of them, and they all look alike. You need a way to distinguish between every one of them (so you don't have four hundred Gold 1's running around). It's a matter of efficiency. Leia says to Luke in the detention area "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" This implies that Stormtroopers are a set height. Yes, this is not necessarily damning evidence, just a little help that's all Actually it's more damning evidence towards the other direction. She seemed shocked that he was there to rescue him, after he took his helmet off, which implies that she really thought he was a Stormtrooper, which implies that she just thought he was a runt, and was looking for a way to heckle him. The fact that that didn't make her jump up and say 'you're no Stormtrooper!!' and the fact that the dozens of officers and troopers Han and Luke walked past, who would have noticed that Luke was shorter than Han didn't immediately stop them is a clue that height can be varied among Stormtroopers, which is an indication that they are not clones. Think about the logic, both political and economic. In AotC Palpatine needed an army for a set time, and he needed it to be a set strength. To get that he had to go with clones, so he had Dooku impersonate the dead Jedi Master, and order the job done. By the time we roll around to ANH, Palpy doesn't need the extremely expensive clone troopers, he can train and demoralize people to get a similar effect. He doesn't have a huge army to battle, so they don't all have to be crack troops. Why waste the money growing elite troopers when most of what you need is a body that can hold and shoot a blaster. The Stormtroopers generally poor aim is a hint that they aren't Clones, since the Clones have the building blocks to make it so that a minimum of skill would leave them as excellent shots. Think of the political advantage to having human beings for troopers. You take people's children, and twist and subvert them to your cause--it makes it a much more frightening prospect for someone to switch teams, if his or her brother/sister/lover/son/grandson is working for the Empire. You might have to go into battle against him and kill him. What's more, when the troopers are killed in a skirmish with the Rebels, that's likely a family who is even more strongly tied to the Empire. It makes more sense for them to be home grown, and not Clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 The Empire is a huge machine, they are called by their numbers to dehumanize them, it would be part of their training. You no longer have a name--you aren't that valuable to the empire, you're just a number, an expendeble resource. So why do officers have names all of a sudden? Wouldn't they be dehumanized as well, starting from the ground up? Wouldn't they be referred to as captain TK421, or General YH646? Why apply your theory to only half of the Empire's structure. Because there are thousands of them, and they all look alike. You need a way to distinguish between every one of them (so you don't have four hundred Gold 1's running around). It's a matter of efficiency. This is where practicality would win out over "dehumanization": Wouldn't it be easier, seeings how there are thousands to use names then (since, by your theory, they have names!)? That's just plain inefficient and making things extremely more difficult than it has to be. They would use names, if the troopers had names. When it comes to sheer numbers, the easiest route is always taken. Actually it's more damning evidence towards the other direction. She seemed shocked that he was there to rescue him, after he took his helmet off, which implies that she really thought he was a Stormtrooper, which implies that she just thought he was a runt, and was looking for a way to heckle him. This line could go either way, that's why I de-emphasized this part. For now, let's just set this aside, it's really upto individual intrepretation concerning how Leia meant it. In AotC Palpatine needed an army for a set time, and he needed it to be a set strength. To get that he had to go with clones, so he had Dooku impersonate the dead Jedi Master, and order the job done. By the time we roll around to ANH, Palpy doesn't need the extremely expensive clone troopers, he can train and demoralize people to get a similar effect. He doesn't have a huge army to battle, so they don't all have to be crack troops. Why waste the money growing elite troopers when most of what you need is a body that can hold and shoot a blaster. The Stormtroopers generally poor aim is a hint that they aren't Clones, since the Clones have the building blocks to make it so that a minimum of skill would leave them as excellent shots. Think of the political advantage to having human beings for troopers. You take people's children, and twist and subvert them to your cause--it makes it a much more frightening prospect for someone to switch teams, if his or her brother/sister/lover/son/grandson is working for the Empire. You might have to go into battle against him and kill him. What's more, when the troopers are killed in a skirmish with the Rebels, that's likely a family who is even more strongly tied to the Empire. Well, think of it this way as well, Palpatine had to make an official proclomation of Emperorness. He may find this decree not liked by general public, they may even be civil unrest, he would need an army, an EXTREMELY LOYAL one at that, to give back bone to his decree and to "police" any civil unrest or immediate coupe threats. There is no way he could get enough conscripts, especially loyal ones, after making a decree like that, fast enough. He would have to rely on Clones who WILL NOT disobey and who are already at his disposal. Yes I admit that many dictators had many young men volunteer to serve them, but every dictator also has civil unrest and unhappy citizens, and Palpatine would need a well trained army taht's really loyal, quickly if he were to maintain his Emperor title. Clones were already avaliable and would do his every bidding. It makes sense on this end, that Stormtroopers would be clones and not "home grown" By the way, thank you for being very civil in our debate. It makes it alot easier to want to see things from your point of view, however wrong it is J/K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooNBB Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 "The fact that that didn't make her jump up and say 'you're no Stormtrooper!!' and the fact that the dozens of officers and troopers Han and Luke walked past, who would have noticed that Luke was shorter than Han didn't immediately stop them is a clue that height can be varied among Stormtroopers, which is an indication that they are not clones. " Thats the best point in favor so far of Stormies not being Clones! I believe it came from the books... so maybe it isn't biblical, but in the Thrawn series they discussed cloning being made illegal. Why wouldn't Lucas have made it outright if he had intended them to be clones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Havoc had some good points, yes, but he was WAY off on one particluar point. There is no possible way to stop the growth acceleration of the clones. Boba was not "Taken off" his growth acceleration, weren't you listening? He was a completely unaltered clone, no changes at all i.e. no growth acceleration. And as for the other troopers, the growth acceleration is built into their genetic structure, not a food supplement. There is not a switch you can reach in and turn off. They only need to be useful for 10 years, because after 10 years they have new clones to take their place, if they haven't already died. I have a question though, perhaps it has been adressed in earlier threads i dont know............isn't it quite odd that when you see the adult clones eating.....they look almost identical to Captain Typho (sp?) Senator Amidalas protector before Anakin. And captain Typho had only one eye.....which would contain Genetic information for creating clones.........................just something to think aboot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior There is no possible way to stop the growth acceleration of the clones. Boba was not "Taken off" his growth acceleration, weren't you listening? He was a completely unaltered clone, no changes at all i.e. no growth acceleration. And as for the other troopers, the growth acceleration is built into their genetic structure, not a food supplement. There is not a switch you can reach in and turn off. They only need to be useful for 10 years, because after 10 years they have new clones to take their place, if they haven't already died.[/b] Did you ever think they were perhaps injected with growth acceleration supliments? Someone obviously payed alot of $ to make the clones.(there was a line in the movie that escapes me about this). For only 10 years of service?? I dont think so. They were given growth injections(Or whater other method) till they were young men who could shoot and be good soldiers. The growth acceleration is not in their genetic structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 The majority of the stormtroopers HAVE to be clones. Ill explain why, The Empire rules the galaxy. They do not rule with democracy, they rule with an IRON FIST! In order to rule this way they need to have a massive army. Numbering in the millions! Powerfull countries here on earth like the U.S.,Russia, ect...have armies that reach almost a million troops. And they still dont control the whole earth. In order to control the galaxy youll need millions on soldiers. The Empire has stations,bases,ports,ect...all over the galaxy. In alot of the various planets and moons in the galaxy. Most of the people in those emipre controled stations are soldiers, only a small percentage are personel. They need more troops than personel cause wherever the empire is at ,they have to intimidate any of the inhabitants of the various planets and moons to maintain the hold they have over galaxy. This isnt counting the troops in the ships and star destroyers. Throw in all the soldiers in the Death star too(death star=size of a small moon!). A death star could hold millions. In order for the empire to have this many troopers, the majority must be clones. I do believe that some are not clones, but at LEAST 80% have to be clones in the original trilogy. In episode 2, the first shipment of clones number in the hundred thousand troops or so. By the time of the OT, when the empire takes over- I asume there were more orders put. Jango isnt the only host there could be. Any one could have been a host too for the new clones. About the captains and comanders, ect...I dont think they would be apointed to that position if your a clone. Clones are made to take orders not give them. I think they choose comanders, captains from normal humans(aliens) that are strong minded, and can lead a particular group of empire troops. Like in a base or star destroyer. So I think MOST of the stormtroopers must be clones. Although I do think that about 20% of the stormtroopers in the OT are enlisted. = (most of them anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 The Kaminoans manage to get about 100,000 Clone Troopers out after 10 years. Now granted that's just the initial period, and they could pump out 100,000 Troops every year after that...but think of how long it would take to get the numbers you're talking about, and then think of how quickly they would have to come up. Your numbers only support the concept of a general conscription because it would be an extremely expensive ordeal to get what is basically a Galactic police force. If you had planets training their own stromtroopers according to the same doctrines and having the same equipment it would be much cheaper and easier than creating your own people from scratch. Again, look at the difference in purpose. Clonetroopers were created to fight a war--to face a mass numbered and powerful enemy. Stormtroopers are pure intimidation, making 80% of them elite clonetroopers would be overkill. --Edit-- Btw, it's Coruscant (not trying to be a jerk, just trying to help ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril The Kaminoans manage to get about 100,000 Clone Troopers out after 10 years. Now granted that's just the initial period, and they could pump out 100,000 Troops every year after that...but think of how long it would take to get the numbers you're talking about, and then think of how quickly they would have to come up. Your numbers only support the concept of a general conscription because it would be an extremely expensive ordeal to get what is basically a Galactic police force. If you had planets training their own stromtroopers according to the same doctrines and having the same equipment it would be much cheaper and easier than creating your own people from scratch. Again, look at the difference in purpose. Clonetroopers were created to fight a war--to face a mass numbered and powerful enemy. Stormtroopers are pure intimidation, making 80% of them elite clonetroopers would be overkill. I doubt that after the Empire gains power over the galaxy, there are going to be Thousands of people flocking to join the empire. Even less if the Empire just landed on your planet and took over and killed alot of your people to show their authority.(speculation but thought out;) ) The Kamonians said that they had 200 thousand more troops comming soon. My numbers I stated in my last post may be off, but it is speculation. This is my best guese, not resorting to the fictional EU stuff thats not even valid. Anyhow its just my guese, nothing more:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Vestril is right... Palpatine would definitely want the families and such of his troops in his grasp. This gives him fear as an ally. And from the movies, I was under the impression that it was a dictatorship-styled empire. Much like Fransisco Franco in Spain, they were called Storm Troopers and the few rebels were slaughtered and made examples of. Much like the events of Ep IV.... Why is it so impossible to think that Storm Troopers are individuals? They don't all sound the same either if you wanna use that point. And if they're all clones, then why would rank among Stormies matter. There are obviously ranks if you notice the colors of the shoulder paldrons on Sand Troopers. Personally, I see more evidence that they're not clones, but that's just me. And I can't force my opinion on anyone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 I doubt that after the Empire gains power over the galaxy, there are going to be Thousands of people flocking to join the empire. Even less if the Empire just landed on your planet and took over and killed alot of your people to show their authority.(speculation but thought out ) Since AotC shows that the Empire is actually the Republic, just extremely twisted (remember, the Senate was only disbanded midway through ANH) so they didn't have to take violent control. If there was a war going on and you put out lot's of propaganda and told the people that the other side was evil, they'd flock to your banner I'm only speculating too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Several things - A) The Kaminoans had 200,000 Troops completely done and "a million more well on the way". We saw many Clones at many different stages in the Kamino cloning compound, from full-fledged Clonetroopers, to unindoctrinated adults (the ones eating), to young children (5 years of age, but lookling about 10) and billions of "unborn" clones. Think, the clones that appeared 10 would still take 5 more years to reach adulthood, that would put us at about 17 years before A New Hope; they were hardly "well on the way". The unborn clones would take a full 10 years to grow into adulthood which would take us 7 years before ANH, and if the Clones can serve 10 years (or more, depending on the nature of their growth accelleration), that would mean that they would be active well inside of the timeframe of the Original Trillogy. B) If ranks among clones don't matter, why are there ranks of clones in the battle of Geonesis? I can only assume that clones who show a higher aptitude than others and are given given further knowledge than the vast majority. C) "Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" Look at Leia's reaction throughout the whole scene. "Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" Leia asks kind of skeptically; "I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you!" Luke says, probably expecting her to jump up and yell "my hero" and give him a big kiss. What does she do? She, still skeptical, says "You're who?" "I'm Luke Skywalker, I've got your R2 unit, I'm here with Ben Kenobi!" She doesn't get really excited about Luke until he mentions Ben... probably figured he was a Republic greenhorn who didn't know what he was doing and had no chance of gaining her freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Several things - A) The Kaminoans had 200,000 Troops completely done and "a million more well on the way". We saw many Clones at many different stages in the Kamino cloning compound, from full-fledged Clonetroopers, to unindoctrinated adults (the ones eating), to young children (5 years of age, but lookling about 10) and billions of "unborn" clones. A million more well on the way--withing about 5 years (200,000 every year ). At a rate of 1 million every 5 years they would not have a large enough police force for a galaxy in the following 22 years. Clearly. We didn't see billions of unborn clones--we saw a lot, billions would be pretty much indescribable... C) "Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" Look at Leia's reaction throughout the whole scene. "Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" Leia asks kind of skeptically; "I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you!" Luke says, probably expecting her to jump up and yell "my hero" and give him a big kiss. What does she do? She, still skeptical, says "You're who?" "I'm Luke Skywalker, I've got your R2 unit, I'm here with Ben Kenobi!" She doesn't get really excited about Luke until he mentions Ben... probably figured he was a Republic greenhorn who didn't know what he was doing and had no chance of gaining her freedom. I was talking about her reaction to his being short. She says it in this somewhat coy, sardonic voice--I really think she was just trying to poke fun at some poor short stormie. That's debateable though. Why the officers and other troopers they passed wouldn't say anything, especially the ones in the Detention center who would be focusing on them, is a harder question to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Anyone would seem short standing next to a Wookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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