Trahern Valley Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril Take a long look at those other titles, and then tell me how 'Attack of the Clones' doesn't fit in. Star Wars...war in space. Sounds better than Star Trek. A New Hope...well, yeah. Yay for the Alliance. The Empire Strikes Back...yes, it does. Return of the Jedi...more lightsider than Revenge. Less vengeful. The Phantom Menace...where? Maul's face? Attack of the Clones...well, yes they do; and didn't I see those three-legged war machines on posters of several classic sci-fi movies, a few decades back? The titles of the original trilogy aren't the 'grand' movie titles of the new trilogy; like they could fit in a regular sentence, I suppose you could say. I guess the reason AotC couldn't be called the Clone Wars is because the war's only just begun, but it's still way more camp than the oldies. At least it's better than ep1, and did not fail at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 TPM = One of the biggest movies of all time in takings. Ever let a 20 year break do the hype for you? AOTC= Not quite a big, but following the Spiderman movie, at least in the US, which had never been on film before, so a huge novelty factor. It is here in Australia, and Europe, where Spidey follows AOTC, that will show what kind of pulling power Spidey has over AOTC.The two of those have been a juggernaut at the movies this year. It is sad that someone mentions that the majority of movie goers talk about the special effects. Is this the problem with serving a movie to an American audience, that they lack the ability to "watch and follow" a movie that involves any skerrick of thought to follow it. Are we sadly at the point where movies are made to suit takings, therefore ONLY appeal to the lowest common denominator? I hate the formulaic approach to movies and TV from the US. Give us a pinch of "good looking woman attracted to the main character", add a lot of "action", fold in "special effects" and a touch of "plot". I don't see that many movies for that reason, that many of them fail to grab my attention, as they all blur into each other. I'd prefer to be choosy and get the decent ones on DVD, and if something really grabs my attention I will see it at the cinema.... Personally, the original poster - why add scenes from movies that are remembered for these special effects? Everyone would ask why use bullet time in SW, what a Matrix rip off that scene was, and the same for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon stuff. Just because they are great scenes in the movies they are in, they have no real need to be in every movie, otherwise bullet time would be just seen as a pause in action, and an expensive way to change camera angles.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inSpiRe- Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 ok i agree that some things in AOTC were breaking rules a bit...like the chase scene between obi-wan and jango and boba fett, there was a huge blast, and it made a huge noise that blasted u away. it breaks the rule that sound can't travel in a vacuum, but other than that, i think that it was an awesome movie. the whole point of goin to a movie is to have fun and enjoy it, not to pick apart all of the movies bad points. i think that AOTC has more good points than bad, and thats what counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 The titles of the original trilogy aren't the 'grand' movie titles of the new trilogy; like they could fit in a regular sentence, I suppose you could say. I guess the reason AotC couldn't be called the Clone Wars is because the war's only just begun, but it's still way more camp than the oldies. At least it's better than ep1, and did not fail at all. Right...go ahead and continue to live in denial. Let me know when you want to return from your magical land of elves where the OT can do no wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trahern Valley Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Yes, I heard about the opening weekend thing for TPM. Thankfully, the race and the well-coreographed duel at the end prevented it from being a let-down. How about AotC's Bladerunner and Fifth Element rip-offs? *Resists the urge to play Max Payne.* Not saying the OT was flawless, just the titles were more...down-to-earth? Aw, smeggit. *Continues to live in denial.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 *Continues to live in denial.* Hee hee hee How about AotC's Bladerunner and Fifth Element rip-offs? *Resists the urge to play Max Payne.* You just haven't seen the movies the OT ripped off. Why? Because it did them in high style, much the same as the new trilogy--it just looks more worn because Star Wars made the Sci-Fi genre into what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russk Rijann Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 **did not see bullet time in AotC???? Is confused** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patark Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Rotj / when a star destroyer blew up there was a huge fire ball explosion in vakuum no air then its not possible to burn but when i saw it i didnt care at all its star wars everything can happen and the explosions were awesome and i prefered them better than that the ship had braked in to 2 pieces ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trahern Valley Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 There's plenty of air in a big spaceship or battlestation, which is why the fire is supposed to fan out in a circular pattern, as it does in the special editions. I just don't think the fire would last as long as it does... Don't stop there, Vestril, you were just starting to make me feel younger! *Turns twenty-six.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Twenty Six? Some people I know would still call you boy Not me though...old man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 ... OK, so I was 11 when I stood in line to see Star Wars. At 36 I found AOTC absolutely thrilling. The DVD is already on my Christmas list! And I took my kids to see AOTC (they were too young when TPM came out, and are still too young - 4 and 5.5 - for Spidey). My 5.5 year old held his bladder through the entire movie ... though he missed most of the credits because as soon as they hit he said "I really have to pee, it's an emergency!' ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 ... also, back to the first post, I have to say that I never saw a movie called 'A New Hope' in the theater. Nor did I see any 'Episode IV' in the theater. I saw Star Wars. Several times. I'm not even sure if TESB was 'Episode V' when it came out ... I just know it rocked, and left less of a 'hanging' feeling than Star Trek II. But I also remember being a teenager having big discussions about Vader saying 'I am your father' and about the 'other' and so on ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalysta katarn Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Everyone has their opinion and all, and they all call Lucas names and stuff, but no one remembers that all 11 chapters were written so long ago. Whatever the story is on the big screen, thats how it was written. All the chapters are meant for certain parts of the SW universe. The OT were more action orientated because they are in the middle of the story. Episodes 1 to 3 are meant to tell more of the story. Besides, all these opinions and critizing means nothing, George Lucas thought it up, put it together, and penned it. Whatever he made, thats how it is. We're lucky enough to even have ANY Star Wars movies. I hope I got my point across. Ps I enjoyed all of the movies because I look at them as seperate, and without such hardcore fanatacism. They each tell their own part. No need to get into so much detail and speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Everyone has their opinion and all, and they all call Lucas names and stuff, but no one remembers that all 11 chapters were written so long ago. Whatever the story is on the big screen, thats how it was written. All the chapters are meant for certain parts of the SW universe. The OT were more action orientated because they are in the middle of the story. Episodes 1 to 3 are meant to tell more of the story. Besides, all these opinions and critizing means nothing, George Lucas thought it up, put it together, and penned it. Whatever he made, thats how it is. We're lucky enough to even have ANY Star Wars movies. I hope I got my point across. Ps I enjoyed all of the movies because I look at them as seperate, and without such hardcore fanatacism. They each tell their own part. No need to get into so much detail and speculation. Very good points, but I'm pretty sure there would just be 9 chapters , and only 6 will be on the big screen (Lucas has all but said 'I will never make any more Star Wars movies after Episode III'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 The only thing I have to add to those last couple of posts is that (IIRC) Lucas has admitted that he only had a "rough outline" for what was going to happen in the movies after ANH (before he even knew it was going to succeed). So he made up a LOT of the stuff as he went along, and he had some help putting the ideas together and borrowing them from lots of other sources (which is something tons of directors do anyway). It's pleasant to think that Lucas was a super-genius with the final scripts for all six movies playing in his head back in 1975, but it's far from the truth (I know, heart-attack surprise, right?). ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmike260 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 i know what went wrong with epsisode 2, and as many people have been saying it was due to the title,but not because it was a bad title but because it was two long (don't flame me yet) ANH ESB ROTJ TPM AOTC ??? my non-exsitant point is that it should have had a three letter abbreviation not four, episode 3 should have had the four leter abbreviation!!! that's what screwed up the whole movie!!!!!! ok but in all seriosness i loved the movie, my only complaints are that the lightsabe battles weren't long enough ( i mean come on anakin's arm gets cut off in what 5 seconds?? i was waiting for 5 minutes of dual weilded lightsaber fighting) and the fact that the 'love story' felt almost forced to be not that they were really in love i mean they see each other for a couple months at the most when there little kids and then magically they love each other and want to get married 10 years down the road. i think that the fight scenes should have been longer and that the wedding should have been a love due to crisis (like luke and leia before the gross sibling discovery lol) not the side story that it became it made it feel like two separate times and places not one flowing movie. end result -- i'll buy the DVD and pray it has added footage like what there gonna do with the lord of the rings DVD. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 ANH TESB ROTJ TPM AOTC ???? Episode 5 does have 4 letters. Don't drop off The off the front of it. It is The Empire Strikes Back, not Empire Strikes back........ Oh well, there goes your non existent point....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERLEN Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Ok, people...first things first! Star Wars movies are not "Citizen Kane"! That being said, I'm a huge fan of the OT and was but a boy when I saw the first one. I'm 29 now and I thought AOTC was VERY good...much better than some critics and others had eluded to. While I did not care very much for TPM, I found it very "empty" and lacking interesting characters (save Maul), I found AOTC to truly be on par with the OT. Great action, truly beautiful for its time, interesting characters and most important, FUN! Yes,yes the love stuff was forced and cheesy-"you are in my very soul", not exactly Shakespeare. But when I first saw the clone army marching...I got chills. The Empire, anyone? And the Fett-awesome. Yoda-awesome. It's unfortunate that the lead villain, Dooku, wasn't more imposing (some old guy with a potbelly named "Dooku"?), but George gave us the Fett and I can live with that. I feel that George has redeemed himself with Ep2 and I am actually looking forward to 3 now. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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