BCanr2d2 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Just watched a PBS program, not sure how old it was, here in Australia RE: Hacking, and how much mayhen that could be caused by hackers with little morals and ethics. Just like we saw on Sept 11, the "new" enemies are not that of what current intelligence can easily find and decipher. Currently it is way too easy to bring plenty of vital systems to their needs, if needs be...... How long will it really be until Windows, and ALL software will have certification to say it has passed govt standards on security, and a few other things? Personally, not too far away..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Windows, actually following standards?! Nah.. it'll never happen! ; p Personally I'd fear the terrorist who can blow me up with a bomb more than the silly "hacker" who can "blow up" my computer. One's annoying (and might waste your time while you get a new hard drive or call your whatever), the other leaves you and/or family and friends maimed or dead. People should prioritize, really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Actually hacking attacks could do much more damage than that...so many things are computer run now, think of how deadly attacks could be, on the economy, or just against people at large. There is a good deal of potential for destruction on that front, and it's important to keep up with the times. PC's aren't in a huge amount of danger, especially if you run a half decent firewall and a good AV program, but business computers or government computers are potentially in trouble... It's a dangerous world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 9, 2002 Author Share Posted June 9, 2002 Kurgan, To put it into perspective: The Aum sect in Japan, the one that used Sarin gas in the subways about 8-10 years ago, had a "front" which was a PC software development company. One day before they were about to put live systems into 90% of the Japanese infrastructure, someone twigged that this was the Aum sect/cult group, and they pulled the pin on the systems. To have "control" of parts of the defence system, and a lot of municipal ordinances is quite dangerous...... A "terrorist hacker" would never blow up your PC, but would hack into important systems that are online, to take down electrical grids, to do things with water supply in certain cities. You think of ANY computer system that controls ANY system that uses a network, and there is some kind of danger element that someone could hack in and take control. Remember we only hear about the hackers who get caught, the teenager who did it for fun. We wouldn't hear about the ex-KGB guy who knows how to cover his tracks, making a packet buy cracking into FBI, US Dept of Defence systems, etc.... No one really thought that someone would use a fully laden passenger jet as a guided missle either?? Although to make it public knowledge in the court case of the 94 bombing of the WTC that it could supposedly withstand a 707 running into them. So whilst there is such a badly protected world wide network, that too many mission critical systems are eventually joined into, there is the danger somewhere that someone will use the internet to create mayhem..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 No one really thought that someone would use a fully laden passenger jet as a guided missle either?? Although to make it public knowledge in the court case of the 94 bombing of the WTC that it could supposedly withstand a 707 running into them. So whilst there is such a badly protected world wide network, that too many mission critical systems are eventually joined into, there is the danger somewhere that someone will use the internet to create mayhem..... Not as badly protected as you think. Especially since 9/11 places have been beefing up security and backups, at least in the States. Vigilance is important, but the world isn't about to go to the hackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuietSith Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Take him to the game grid, play with him a little while, and blow him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandoFett1842 Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 HACKING IS NOT ILLEGAL. CRACKING IS ILLEGAL. GET THAT TROUGH YOUR FAT HEAD. HACKERS GET A TON OFF **** FORM IDIOT WHO MISTACK HACKING FOR CRACKING, GO TO http://www.unsanesolutions.scriptmania.com/ TO LEARN THE TRUTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 10, 2002 Author Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hmmm, Isn't cracking a result of hacking, it's end means are usually the same...... Not all hackers give your type a bad name, it is those idiots who use it to spread virii and cause mayhem with Denial of Service attacks. My point being is that whilst Windows is so wide spread, it's security holes will lead to security problems for any major and important system that uses it. Somewhere the FBI, CIA, USSS all connect to the internet, and no doubt that PC is also connected to the internal network of what ever US Dept it is in. Whilst they are physically connected, you are naive to think that any current form of protection is adequate.... I think that too many of you believe that the internet is as safe as houses, when it is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandoFett1842 Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 Well hacking can lead to cracking but i dont do that stuff, unless someone attacks me when i am surfing the web. thats what probably gives us a bad name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 10, 2002 Author Share Posted June 10, 2002 It's more likely than not, it is the common public perception that all PC activity designed to break into computer systems is classified as hacking by the media and general public. Technically the majority of it, including stuff that seems innocuous, is illegal, although only really so if released into the public domain. Perhaps illegal isn't quite the right word, but most of it would render the EULA invalid. Although to have conditions placed on you AFTER you have agreed to the contract at the time of buying software, is a long stretch in whether a EULA is actually valid. The contract is concluded at sale, not when you install the software... It's like buying a car, then when you put the key in the ignition, an agreement comes up on the dash saying that they expect the car to be driven a certain way, otherwise all free support during the warranty period is void..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 Originally posted by JandoFett1842 Well hacking can lead to cracking but i dont do that stuff, unless someone attacks me when i am surfing the web. thats what probably gives us a bad name I've long learned to ignore trojan-scanning script kiddie newbs. I just keep on doing whatever I was originally doing. The Mentor said it best: The Hacker's Manifesto Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"... Damn kids. They're all alike. But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him? I am a hacker, enter my world... Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me... Damn underachiever. They're all alike. I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..." Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike. I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me... Or thinks I'm a smart ass... Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here... Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike. And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found. "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all... Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike... You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert. This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. +++The Mentor+++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 ooo It's like the Light and Dark side of the computer... I personally don't even try to put a name to them, to much crap over the whole cracker/hacker thing... I just call them people in my computer when they shouldn't be there and the people who write my spiffy little programs and game mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 I've long learned to ignore trojan-scanning script kiddie newbs. I just keep on doing whatever I was originally doing. this is the ONE advantage to haveing a slow, but constant internet connection(ISDN): its slow enough the DOSers and scriptz kiddyz dont wanna bother with it:D other then that it SUX! um... 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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