MotionMan Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Do any of you have a clue or idea what the trials consist of? Phisical, mental chalenges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 I have not really any good idea......i'm guessing a combination of physical and mental challenges.......or it could be just mental, obi-wan and yoda were in a fairly small room in ep. 1 when yoda told him that he was now a jedi knight................perhaps we will find out in ep3 if anakin ever takes them........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Have you played JKII? The trials on there of obtaining force powers may resemble the sorts of things a padawan must carry out. Also, what about Luke's training by Yoda on Degobah, eh? Those lifting stuff with your mind, facing imaginary oponents and flipping about everywhere may resemble what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassick Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 It all depends on the situation. You could normally do it by passing the trials--but "all" (lol...like it's easy) Obi-Wan had to do was defeat a Sith Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellFyre69 Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 obi wan didn't pass b/c he defeated a sith.. He still had to pass the trials to become a knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassick Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 He didn't go through the trials. Lucas had said that the council approved Obi-Wan's "promotion" because if you can defeat a dark lord of the Sith, then your skills can't be any better than that as a padawan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Obi Wan is only a master- not a knight, what's the difference though? Mace Windu and Yoda are all referred to as masters, but surely they're higher up than what Obi Wan is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellFyre69 Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 actually obi wan is not a Jedi master.. He is only a Jedi knight.. You can watch in the end in ep1 that yoda is talking to obi, and he promotes him to jedi knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norin Radd Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 I'm guessing the tests are a combination of Force command capabilities, physical exertion tests(let's face it, you have to be in superb physical condition to be a Jedi), and emotional stability excercises to ensure you are not prone to anger, fear, or frustration easily. Lucas said that Obi-Wan was excused from the trials because he defeated a Sith Lord, eh? Interesting. I like Obi-Wan and he is one of my favorite characters, but many think that his defeat of Maul was a"fluke", if you will(i'm not one of them). He force jumps up, get's Qui-Gon's saber, and then trims Maul at the waist. Many critics say that Maul had more than enough time to react. Personally, I thought the duel was awesome in every aspect. Just my $0.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellFyre69 Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 yep, he had time more than enuff time to react... Personally My fav chars of all SW is darth maul.. he just owns with his double saber. To bad he died.... cant they revive him!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 I wish they could have at least gave us a hint in EP.1 But they only show when Yoda was done with Obi-wan. Hmmm it must describe them somewere. mysterious puzzle this is. Meditate to it , I will. Originally posted by HellFyre69 yep, he had time more than enuff time to react... Personally My fav chars of all SW is darth maul.. he just owns with his double saber. To bad he died.... cant they revive him!? Ya Maul is the best. Pure fighting machine. I bet he will be revived in the EU universe. They will manage to bring him back with their strange and cooky ideas;) Look at Bobba: In the movies he is a side snack to the Sarlacc, but in the books he is alive and well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 The Trials place a Jedi Padawan in an emotionally stressful situation where he must choose the Light Path or abandon the Code. I think that Anakin escorting Amidala to Naboo (the first time) was his Trial, and he obviously failed. As soon as his leash was let loose, he selfishly ran off to his mother, and therefore abandoned the Code. Anakin never becomes a Jedi Knight, that much is clear from Episode IV: When I left you, I was but the learner--now I am the Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 That could be a possability- but then why would Obiwan tell Anakin not to let his personal feelings get in the way when Padmé falls out of the carrier thingo and Anakin wants to rescue her? Is there a possability he could get kicked out anyway? For secretly marrying Padmé? which obviously is a big no no, and since Jedi aren't allowed attachments or to fall in love, the same would apply for marriage, that would be a no no as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichDiesal Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Originally posted by MotionMan Look at Bobba: In the movies he is a side snack to the Sarlacc, but in the books he is alive and well. He's a snack but he doesn't actually die. There is a tale in the EU that describes how he escaped the Sarlacc, so that would explain how he's still around later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norin Radd Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Originally posted by RichDiesal He's a snack but he doesn't actually die. There is a tale in the EU that describes how he escaped the Sarlacc, so that would explain how he's still around later. I heard that he manages to get his jetpack working and propels himself out, minus a lower leg. I also read somewhere that while he was in the Sarlacc, he talked to someone who had fallen in years before and they actually had a short conversation. Weird story. And I agree. Maul is the ultimate warrior. My ranking would be : 1. Yoda 2. Mace Windu 3. Darth Maul 4. Obi-Wan Kenobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassick Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Boba rose from the Sarlacc with all his body parts intact, just some scarring and rusts on his armor. He was rescued by Dengar, who was trying to salvage from Jabba's wrecked sail barge. And while Obi-Wan's killing Darth Maul certainly was a fluke, the Council didn't know that. For all they know, Obi-Wan defeated Maul in a straight fight, the same way Maul killed Qui-Gon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 Bobba is dead though until Lucas proves this other wise:) The books revived him cause he was popular. Anyhow When Yoda tells Qui-gon that it is impossible to have 2 padawans, Qui-gon relpies with "Obi wan is more than ready for the trials", "There is little more he can learn from me". This could mean 1 of two things: 1.-He is in fact ready to be a Jedi knight. Qui-gon knows Obi wan is head strong and he has the skills, heart, brains ect to pass the trials. or... 2.-Qui gon wants to take Anakin as a padawan as soon as possible cause he beleives that anakin is the chosen one. For him to acheive this he has to get rid of obi wan(so to speak:) ). So he tells yoda that he is ready. Anyway we do see Obi-wan passing the trials in the end of Ep1. Yoda could have gone easy on him cause his master had just been killed:) I like Obi wan anyway. Still the actuall trials are still a mystery. All we know is that they might consist of mental and phisical chalenges. MAYBE similar to what luke went through in Dagobah. Yoda maybe gave luke a simpler waterd down version of the actual trials of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 The Jedi Hierarchy, if you will: Youngling Padawan Learner Jedi Knight Jedi Master *SIDE NOTE* the term "Jedi" by itself can refer to either or both Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters, but not padawans or younglings (as seen in Episode 2 when Sio Bibble refers to Anakin as "master Jedi" Padme corrects him by saying that Anakin is still a Padawan, and again in Episode 6 when Yoda says Luke requires no more training and Luke says he is a Jedi then. Yoda corrects him by saying that he must confront Vader "then, and only then, a Jedi will you be") At first, when they are very young, or younglings they are taught in a classroom setting by many diferent Jedi Masters (As seen in Episode 2, w/ Yoda teaching the class of younglings about the importance of their lightsabers) Then as they become older (10-14) They are taken on as a Padawan Learner by Jedi Masters who have sucessfully trained their last padawan to knighthood or by a newly conferred Jedi Knight as their first padawan (Like Anakin to Obi-wan). In this scenario (Jedi Knight and First Padawan) the Padawan will still refer to his/her Jedi Knight teacher as "Master" even though he/she is only a Jedi Knight, because to the Padawan, the Jedi Knight is still their master. After Sucessfully passing the trials a padawan learner is conferred the title of Jedi Knight by the Jedi Council. They can now take on their own Padawan Learner. After sucessfully training a Padawan Learner to Knighthood, a Jedi Knight becomes a Jedi Master (They have shown they are capable of sucessfully teaching and instructing others in the ways of the force and Jedi code) This is why Obi-wan is never actually a Jedi Master, his first and only Padawan Learner fell to the darkside and left the order. It can be argued though that since Luke redeemed Anakin and defeated the Sith Obi-wan's last apprentice did indeed became a Jedi Knight therefor making Obi-wan, post-humously, a Jedi Master. That's still debatable though, because Yoda had alot to do with Luke's training too. So even post-humously, Obi-wan really never made it to Jedi Master Jedi can be nominated and elected into the Jedi Council which is the governing body of the Jedi Order. The Jedi Council oversees Padawans' trials, keep in communication with the Supreme Chancellor, settle internal disputes, oversee Jedi assignments and missions, and make sure the Jedi Code is followed and obeyed. The Jedi Council is made up of mostly Jedi Masters and a few Jedi Knights (Ki-Adi-Mundi was a Jedi Knight not a Jedi Master) Lucas has indeed said, that Obi-wan was excused from the trials because he defeated the Sith Darth Maul and the Council felt that was a sufficient trail in itself. It is very Similar to Luke's future "trial" in Episode 6. When Luke returned to see Yoda and Yoda says: "No more training do you require, already now that which you need" And luke replies, "Then I am a Jedi" To Which Yoda replies, "Ohhh. Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will." Luke's trial was to defeat Vader (or as it turned out, redeem him). So it is possible, by decree of the Jedi Council for special circumstances to exist where Padawans may exhibit their skills and abilities outside of the normal trials and the Council to waive the trials and confer the title of Jedi Knight, but it is not a common practice. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norin Radd Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Originally posted by Rassick Boba rose from the Sarlacc with all his body parts intact, just some scarring and rusts on his armor. He was rescued by Dengar, who was trying to salvage from Jabba's wrecked sail barge. Dengar. That's that Bounty Hunter with his head wrapped in bandages, correct? Ah, the familial connection of the bounty hunters is almost enough to bring tears to one's eyes. . . .Almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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