ET Warrior Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 I think he means you're gonna need pictures for your book to be successful. Just kidding, i'm sure your work is lovely, i would be pleased to read it sometime if you ever finish it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Finish it? Mhhh ... I'm at 40 some pages (On font Arial, size 12.) and still it's not complete. (Mostly missing a cool spacebattle. ) I thought about what it'd be like if I ever could get it illustrated, like some of the smaller novels. With a nice representative art drawing every so many pages to capture a scene or so. But thanks for the offer ET Warrior, as soon as it's presentable without too many holes I still need to fill in the story, I'll be sure to take you up on that. (Btw I added a Kel Dor Jedi I thought imho the NJO had too many human Jedi and I wanted some diversity. Do Trandoshans -the big lizardlike humanoids that liked to kill Wookies- speak basic anyways in the EU? Anyone know that?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Yeah.....Kel Dor...excellent. I'm not sure if they really addressed if they spoke basic or not. They have them speak and you can understand it, but i dont know if they just automatically translate it in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Well from the Dark Horse Star Wars 'Star Hyperspace War' comics I know that they put all of Plo Koon's dialogue (Kel Dor) and all of Tyvokka's (Wookie) in English, but they alter the dialogue balloons as to indicate that they sound different. They do the same in the books for Chewie sometimes, just put a different symbol than the classic ' ' for Chewie's lines, something like [ ] I guess? Oh well I'll see what I do, I'll just keep it simple and not make it too complicated and all. I mean the Yuuzhan Vong speak basic -though poorly- too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 In comics I believe they use < and > for the "translated from" stuff... And from my understanding Trandoshans speak basic, they just have a reptilian voice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Paint a picture for the reader? Make it visual? Ok! I can try that. Thanks for the pointers. No problem. Something else about technobabble... I think the only place where it's really suitable in SW is when a starjocky is boasting about his ship (ala Han Solo)... the spaceships are just like cars... some people talk alot about what's under the hood, other people just drive them Anyway, yeah, I mean paint a picture in the reader's mind... though sometimes I draw storyboards for myself just to plan out complicated scenes... and never underestimate the value of play-acting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Thanks, those are good hints too. (Though I suck at drawing though, it'd be stick figures! ) Play-acting? Mhhh ... sounds good but I think people think I'm crazy enough as it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveDallas Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Okay, something's that bothered me since TOS... EpIV ObiWan is old and weak and is going to get beat by Vader, so he dies and becomes one with the force Luke is about to be toasted by Vader over the Death Star, and Han bails him out (non force dude) EpV Vader doesn't want to kill Luke, wants him alive, so he just chops off his hand and his sister has to bail him out. EpVI Luke has to give into the Dark Side to defeat Vader, but Emperor lights him up like a Christmas tree, only to have Vader save his whiny hide before Palpatine turns him into extra crispy EpI Qui-Gon fights to a draw with Maul and flees to the space ship Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan duel to a draw with Maul until they are seperated, then Darth Maul kills Qui-Gon and beats Obi-Wan (only is arrogance gives Obi-Wan a chance, but he was beaten and Maul let his guard down - a cheap shot after the bell) EpII Obi-Wan gets captured somehow (Dooku?) Ani gets captured Dooku kicks both Obi-Wan and "the chosen one" Anikan, and fights to a draw with the greatest of them all, Yoda. So lets see the final score EpI : Sith win 2-1-1 (2 wins, 1 loss, 1 tie) EpII: Sith win 2-0-1 (2 wins Dooku vs Ani-Obi, 1 ties Yoda) EpIII: Sith win big, but we won't count that yet EpIV: Sith win 1-0 (1 win, Vader over Obi-Wan) EpV: Sith win 1-0 (Vader over Luke) EpVI: Sith win 2-1 (gave Sith a win for turning Luke to the dark side to beat Vader, then another win for Palpatine lighting up Luke, and a Jedi win for turning Vader back to good and beating Palpatine Career record: Sith 8, Jedi 2, 3 draws Winner and still Force Champion: the Sith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Starting at the top, we dont know who would have won that fight, it was all very even. ObiWan allowed himself to be struck down so he could help Luke out, so that one is not a loss to the light. Then Luke was not saved from Vader by Han, luke shot the door controls and shut the door in vaders face. Luke was a COMPLETE n00b Jedi in ESB. He had not even completed his training, and could not lift his own X-wing out of the swamp. Vader is the most powerful Force user in existance. Of course he wins. In episode 6 luke did use his aggresion against vader, but vader was not beating luke when luke was still using the lightside. And Luke was STILL pretty much not even that good of a Jedi, he had not had very much training and would have been no more than a Jedi Knight, and Palpatine is an extremely powerful sith. Episode 1, Darth Maul had been trained to fight Jedi, QuiGon had been trained to fight People armed with blasters. Also Maul was an EXCELLENT swordsman, able to master use of a double bladed saber. Then after QuiGon got killed, we saw that ObiWan was obviously using aggression and anger against maul, and THAT was when he got beaten. When he calmed himself and let the light side of the force flow through him he defeated maul. Episode 2, we saw that ObiWan was captured by Droidekas, and then anakin was captured when his saber got cut in half. Anakin and ObiWan were no match for Dooku when he was still a Jedi, Dooku was once one of the most powerful Jedis in the order. Also Anakin did not listen to Obi-wan, and rushed in recklessly. Dooku's fight with yoda was not so much a draw as a loss and a cheap retreat. He knew that he had no chance of beating yoda, so he put ObiWan's and anakins life in immediate danger and ran away. But that's just the way that I see it i suppose........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 There is a female Darth Maul Model for JKII and it's damn sweet to play with! Lady Brena by SpaceMonkey http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?2759 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveDallas Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior ... Then Luke was not saved from Vader by Han, luke shot the door controls and shut the door in vaders face... Reread what I wrote more carefully... I said Han saved Luke OVER the Death Star - at the end when Luke was heading towards the exhaust vent and Vader lined him up in his sights... Han came to the rescue and saved Luke's neck. That's what I was referring too. And Jedi we don't don't get chicks (except their own sister). Don't know about Sith, but so far there's always been 2 "guys" who kneel before each other and one gets to be called master... not sure Sith is so hot either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 ahso, i missed what you meant. I understand now. But there again, we must still realize that Luke only had the most basic understanding of the force. He couldn't really use it, he just knew it was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 In defence of Luke I must point out the fact that he frequently used Jedi mind tricks in ROJ, that proves he knew how to use the force to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 I agree with what ET Warrior stated about the Jedi vs Sith confrontations. Especially in Ep II it was obviuos that Yoda was about to kill Dooku, Dooku was seriuosly outclassed by Yoda, only by cheating and fleeing from combat did he manage to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Originally posted by Legacy_Of_Sith In defence of Luke I must point out the fact that he frequently used Jedi mind tricks in ROJ, that proves he knew how to use the force to some extent. He also used Force Choke. Luke knew how to use the Force to a limited degree but he was no match for Vader in either ESB or RotJ. Vader didn't want to kill Luke so he didn't try to. If he had seriously tried to kill Luke instead of trying to turn him in ESB or being fraught with his own internal conflict in RotJ, then he would have slaughtered him, regardless of Luke's calling on the Darkside. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Luke wasnt trained nearly enough to be a Jedi. This shows in the fact that he does turn to the dark side. He uses force choke also. He didnt have sufficiant training to have more discipline with the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 When did he ever use force choke in ROJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 When he enters Jabba's palace, he Force Chokes two Gammorian guards that try to block his way. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 Luke was driven by emotion just like his father. This is why they both ended up in the dark side. It was breif for Luke but this still shows his weakness in using the force and controlling his emotions. He does do a better Job than his father though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Play-acting? Mhhh ... sounds good but I think people think I'm crazy enough as it is! Then lock the doors... and hope they don't have blasters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernandotabet Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Don't judge a Jedi rank for a couple of lightsaber duels. A master is a master if he has knowledge and experience enough to teach Jedi arts or to discuss issues and matters in the jedi council, or to use the force in the better way. Obi-Wan Kenobi was a master in Episode II as Qui-Gon was in the first Episode. The most innocent and untrained padawan have the force with him, let it flow and control it in the right way , he can even beat Yoda. Don't try to rank a Jedi by his fights; You will find yourselves contradicted in some Episodes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 The door is magnetically sealed! Let's just hope they don't have an R2 unit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Well, first of all, Obi-Wan is not a master in ep 2....nor is he a Jedi master ever......just ask starwars.com . AND, a jedi padawan could not beat master Yoda because they are padawans and have less than 1/100th of his experience. I dont care how good they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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