Shadow Angel Posted July 1, 2002 Posted July 1, 2002 Man, I've been wasting paragraphs upon paragraphs of reasons why Palpatine is Sidious in the Sidious vs. Yoda thread, and I didn't even see this one! ARGH! Well, you can go there to see why I think they're the same. If you think the announcer for JKII multiplayer sucks ("The Force is (not) with you.") you MUST check out this thread. http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65555
Nebelwerfer_ Posted July 1, 2002 Posted July 1, 2002 Yah I believe that they are the same person, but the question still stands: why is GL still keeping it ambiguous? all the evidence points to them being the same person, and we are not retards, and we know how it all ends, so why the hell does he still keep it ambiguous???
Arkum Posted July 1, 2002 Author Posted July 1, 2002 Because the only thing he ever made money off of was his Star Wars franchise and he just likes to be that way. They interviewed him when EP 1 came out and everything he said was as if he's only telling half of the truth. Don't get me wrong, Star Wars movies are really good.
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted July 1, 2002 Posted July 1, 2002 Duh. [turns, slams head against wall - *WHAM!*] no, not yet... [repeats - *WHAM! WHAM WHAM!*] uhhhhhh..... otay, i dumb enuf 2 click da "no" thingy now.
Crazy_Taco Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 The chance of a clone is possible, never thought about it. He owns the cloners, i mean, one fake senator, one real lightning throwing sob. That would twist the whole damn plot.
MotionMan Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Originally posted by Nebelwerfer_ Yah I believe that they are the same person, but the question still stands: why is GL still keeping it ambiguous? all the evidence points to them being the same person, and we are not retards, and we know how it all ends, so why the hell does he still keep it ambiguous??? Because if you are watching the Star Wars saga for the first time you have to be surprised. I mean we all have seen the OT right? so we know what will happen. He is maybe doing this for the people who havent seen the OT and will be surprised by this. We are all spoiled from already knowing whats going to happen. Thats why it is hard for some to accept that Sidious is palpatine. They are expecting a big surprise, when in fact sidious is palpatine. There are so many in your face obvious clues to this. The clone nonsense comes from the EU books:rolleyes:
Arco Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Remember superman 3 where he went evil and there was two of him? I reckon that sommat like that could be done. MAybe he has a split personality and like when he is the good one he thinks what he is doing is right but reallt he is being influence by his second evil personality. Then he would have to fight himself in ep3 and it would be really freaky if they did it right. Otherwise it is too obvious and crap. Arco
Turgenev Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Only as a way of toying with the crowd, but also bringing up something that I argued back in Ep1 as a hypothetical but possible plot twist: 1. Darth Sidious. He's evil, he wants the Republic for himself. He's got skillz, but no backing. (The Jedi kinda stand in the way.) 2. Sidious goes to the planet of clonepeople, and chooses one of himself. Same general intellect/personality set, more agreeable, NO introduction to Force training in any way. Keep him programmably susceptible for influence by Sidious, but leave him largely independent, as he has Sidious's ambition and drive; he'll just do it the legal way. 3. Palpatine can hobnob with the Jedi goobersmoochers all he wants, because he isn't Dark-side aligned. He's just a politician. This gives him the ability to work on two fronts, with complete anonymity: The Chancellor side, setting the stage in extra-long term consideration (laying seeds to take fruition 2-3 decades later); and the Darth side, exploiting the circumstances that his cloned doppleganger have laid for him. That gives the Chancellor complete justification for going to war; for locking down on the Jedi whose time has come, and they're the ONLY Force users that can be behind all the things to come in Ep3, blah blah. Once Palpatine has secured Emperorship, Sidious removes him from the board, and walks right in. Scapegoats and plausible deniability. Of course, the way Lucas writes, it'll be an Ewok behind the cloak or something.
Darth Joka'ar Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 I was debating this in Yoda Vs. DS :Clash of Titans topic with Shadow Angel. 1st of all, Shadow Angel stands with DS is EP. 2nd. Emperor palpatine/Darth Sidious hide his Dark Side aura in front of the Jedi Council by using a YSALAMIRI So the Jedi Council couldnt detect Palpatines' Dark Force. Make sense?
Jedi_Monk Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 No, doesn't make sense because Ysalamiri are not part of the SW canon but the EU. Besides, even if Lucas decided to throw the EU a bone by including Ysalamiri, the "bubble in the Force" that a Ysalamiri would use is very easily detectable by a Jedi. It's a deadzone. Ysalamiri are good for rendering a Jedi's powers useless, however, they'd be terrible for this kind of subterfuge. If you watch the Prequels, and keep track of the appearances of the cloaked Darth Sidious, you'll notice that he only appears under two circumstances. 1) He's dealing with his pawns, he doesn't want them to know who he really is (but either the Niemoidians figured it out or Dooku was just giving Obi-Wan crap back on Geonesis--which is very possible). Or 2) he's appearing with his Apprentice on Coruscant. Think about it, his Apprentice is his hand in the universe; he's the brain, they're the brawn. Darth Maul has to go out there and slaughter Jedi while Darth Tyranus has to go out there, slaughter Jedi and convince systems to secede from the Republic by convincing them that it is corrupt (that Palpatine, the Chancellor of the Republic in particular, is corrupt). If Palpatine went uncloaked to meet with his Apprentice and they were identified, it would ruin all of his plans because either his Apprentice hasn't been revealed yet but will have to do his dirty-work someday, or because his Apprentice is a major figure in the universe who people need to think is allied against him. I don't think it's about ambiguity, but about common-sense and maybe a bit of paranoia on Palpatine's side.
Munkaboo Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Originally posted by kfretz FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST IF YOU VOTED NO THEN U NEED TO GO PLAY WITH BARBIE DOLLS OR SUMTHING OR GO BACK TO FIRST GRADE.....I ASKED MY DOG AND EVEN HE SAID IT WAS Well mister kretz... could be POSSIBLE that the chancellor is a, gasp, CLONE of emporer palpatine? Ever think of THAT? Theres your "I am your father" plot twist imo. The emperor could be controlling the chancellor a la dark side, eh? If this counts as the same person, then I'd say yes, but whmmmmmmmmm.
Quin Jai-Obaj Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Duh you freaking moron. it practicly Anounced that he was palpitine. what do you plug your ears and just watch all the action when your at the theater? god of course palpitine is emporor. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p
Solak Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Yes Sidious is Palpatine, not a clone my reasons for this were... If HE WERE CLONED THEY WOULD HAVE FIXED HIS EYES!!! ROTFLMAO!!! :D :D OMG The first time i saw him i couldn't freaking stop laughing and sayin the eyes, the eyes!!!! Solak
obi Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 NO, they aren't the same person! You people are stupid!! How retarded do you have to be to think they are the same?!?!?!?!?
Darth Kaan Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Yeah but....Yoda smokes the dagobah green and he is Palpatines Father. :monkey4: :monkey4:
Darth Groovy Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Joka'ar I was debating this in Yoda Vs. DS :Clash of Titans topic with Shadow Angel. 1st of all, Shadow Angel stands with DS is EP. 2nd. Emperor palpatine/Darth Sidious hide his Dark Side aura in front of the Jedi Council by using a YSALAMIRI The ysalamiri only came in the EU. And................ Darth Kaan Yeah but....Yoda smokes the dagobah green and he is Palpatines Father. Why does everyone insist that yoda smokes herb? I'm getting really sick of seeing this, because yoda is one of my most favorite characters. Grow up already for crying out loud!
Darth Kaan Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 darthgroovyii, It was a JOKE! If you cant see the humor, get a clue...
-[MotU]-Lyger|=- Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 Here is the real question, who finds out first?!
Darth Groovy Posted July 5, 2002 Posted July 5, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Kaan darthgroovyii, It was a JOKE! If you cant see the humor, get a clue... The only thing I see is the popular assumption that all Jedi Master's smoke dope and meditate all day. Whatever.
Arkum Posted July 11, 2002 Author Posted July 11, 2002 I'd asy Obiwan finds out about Sidious/Palpatine first:aobi:
Arkum Posted July 11, 2002 Author Posted July 11, 2002 and speaking of GL's wierd plot twists, for all we know is Sidious:p
Obi-Doo Posted July 12, 2002 Posted July 12, 2002 It's just too obvious that Palpantine is Sidious, so they cant be the same. Plus, Palpy is 1.73 meters high while Sidious is 1.78 meters. So i voted no HAHA!
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