The "JK1 TC" topic...

[Infinity Blade]

I was going to say something earlier, but between upgrading my computer and Kman Closing both threads, I really didn't get a chance.

 

Originally posted by kman@polycount in a closed thread

Whichever way you look at it, a request for people to help with a mod, or for requesting anything mod related, unless you are showing something that has been completed for it (i.e. skin or model) You should post in the Mod forums, not here.

 

While I agree that some mod related things should be posted in the Mod Central forum, I see nothing wrong with coming to the skinning forum to discuss recruiting skinners. That's what he was doing. It has to do with skinning, and this is most likely where the majority of skinners post.

 

And the forum description even says:

"The hub for the skinning community. Share and discuss everything related to skinning for JKII."

 

Now if it hadn't been about skinning or the skinning community, then I could see it as being out of place. That, and the Mod Central forum doesn't really seem to be for JKII.net, but more for a hosted site.

 

But anyway..... About the conversion.

 

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I was working on some skins of remade JK characters for JO, but I haven't been able to finish them with everything else I'm doing, (working on two mods).

 

Perhaps when the bulk of my workload is done for them I can help you. I also have some mods and skins I was wanting to work on, but currently I only have time to work on an occasional "side" skin.

 

Until then, I wouldn't lose all hope. I've got some people I know that might be interested, we're just busy at the moment. But to be honest, I'd be more worried about seeing who all would be interested in working on it, and how many want it.

 

Maybe go around in the Mod Central forum and the General Editing area, and ask how many would want it... A poll perhaps.

 

And then if you see that it has enough appeal to grant making it, then look for the team. You may have to wait a little while, as alot of people seem to be grouped into mod teams at the moment. But if I finish those skins up and you do get it started, I'd probably let you use them if you wished.

 

And to Altimira if yer reading this:

TC is what we called "mods" like this back in the days of JK.

[Lucko Mabri]

I wsih kman would stop closing threads or moving them to mod central. Its really bugging me off. now hes a admin it doesnt mean he can do what he pleases. get rid of spam and reuqests and leave the rest! Well you can do waht you please but don't be so hars especially about the jk1 tc project!

 

-Lucko Mabri

 

p.s-Why do you move reuqests for mods to mod central? no one ever goes there. Just elave them where they are.

[HapSlash]

I might not be spending much time here in the forums anymore,... I've recently joined a mod team, which should take up some of my time. But that's not it, the atmosphere around here is getting a little stale. With relevant posts being whisked away to other forums or just simply deleted, I'm starting to get to feel that the administrator(s) are really letting the community down. I thought that the forums were made so that we could all share, not so that a few could be self-indulged with their own works.

[Klorel]

I never go to mod central. If i want to fulfill a request, i look in the place where i would post my WIP for that request. Thats where the requests should be found. I agree with deleting spam, but dont move posts just for the hell of it. That will confuse the community to no end, and its getting kind of irritating.

[BradFu]

I have to agree that the JK1 TC thread was not out of place here. Shifted to the Request thread, perhaps, but not removed entirely. Moving it to Mod Central isn't appropriate, either, since Mod Central is a forum for a JKII.net hosted site, and not included as part of the JKII.net Editing forums.

[Harukaze]

Thanks for the support, everyone : )

 

Oh, and don't worry abuot the momentary pessimism on the old thread. I'm surprised we've gotten as much support as we have before we have even a single download available. Once we actually show some progress, then we'll probably get some more people willing to pitch in, seeing that we're not just talking and actually doing.

 

So, back to the proper topic at hand. Since this is the skinning forum, I would like to start of by thanking Inbredyokel for the wonderful job he's doing at skinning Madjai's Maw model. Very impressive job there.

 

Let's see, other skins. If anyone is interested in updating Kyle or Jan, that could be interesting, although I almost think I'd rather see them left alone. All I'm going to do with Jan is turn off some surfaces to reflect what she wore in JK; for instance, during several cutscenes, she had removed her vest. It shouldn't be too difficult to distinguish between a vestless Jan and the female Jedi. Maybe if we can make Kyle look younger too, that would be a bonus.

 

I'm considering doing a temporary Yun skin on the Reborn model besides the actual model I'm planning for him, so the cutscenes where he has his hood up. Later on once I'm better at modelling, I can just transfer the hood as a selectable surface to my not-yet-created Yun model, or even make my own if I get good enough with gmax. But that's getting more into modelling than anything.

 

I'd say there's not much else to consider for skins until more models are completed. Most of the default enemies of JK are present in JO, which makes things much easier. Those that are not also need models, so again, wrong forum.

 

If anyone can think of something I'm missing, let me know!

[Emon]

Uh, doesn't Mod Central share these forums? Besides, these are the EDITING forums aren't they for EDITING?

[KMan]

Would you like me to put a requests forum up? That would be where ALL model, skin & mod requests would go to. I'll also change the description on the forums so that there is less confusion between what is supposed to go where.

 

As for what I have been doing, I have been closing threads that have had their questions answered. I also deleted duplicate threads when they decided they needed more attention. I have also moved skin requests from the modelling forum to the skinning forum and vice versa. I have deleted spam and bump posts in many threads even if they were ones I have worked in.

 

I should close this thread as it is no longer about a mod.

 

There is no problem with asking for help with a mod as long as you have something to show for it like a pic of a model, or the skin for one.

[HapSlash]

I don't think that a request forum is what we really need,...

 

I've noticed that not a lot of people will go too far out of their way to help someone in need. If you seperate the requests from the mainstream users, many of them will go unanswered.

 

In fact, I don't read any of the other forums, I don't even have that much interest in them either, and I'm probably not alone. I never considered being in a mod group until someone posted their request for skinners in here. They simply posted a link to the information about their mod, I followed it and thought it sounded intriging. I went ahead and responded to the post, and less than two days later it was removed, so now I'm the only skinner they have.

 

I also became involved with the Aayla Secura Project (as well as most of it's skinners) in the exact same way.

 

To be honest, I like the idea of people coming in here and pitching their ideas to us. True, some of them can be a bit misguided, but it all eventually works out. As long as the topic actually includes skinning I feel that it should have the right to remain here.

 

I also think that people should stop barking at kman,... True, some of the decisions he's made have upset some, including myself, but he just started as the moderator here, and it will probably take some time to get the feel of the community.

[Droidekas]

Originally posted by kman@polycount

Would you like me to put a requests forum up? That would be where ALL model, skin & mod requests would go to. I'll also change the description on the forums so that there is less confusion between what is supposed to go where.

 

As for what I have been doing, I have been closing threads that have had their questions answered. I also deleted duplicate threads when they decided they needed more attention. I have also moved skin requests from the modelling forum to the skinning forum and vice versa. I have deleted spam and bump posts in many threads even if they were ones I have worked in.

 

I should close this thread as it is no longer about a mod.

 

There is no problem with asking for help with a mod as long as you have something to show for it like a pic of a model, or the skin for one.

 

WE HAVE A GOD NOW! WE MUST WORSHIP HIM LEST HIS WRATH BE UPON US!

 

Why don't you close the whole friggin skinning forum, since you have figured out everything already! The noobs have yout sticky thread to post into. The requesters go in your request thread. What's left???? You are missing a "stupid/useless/lost/noob question thread" and a "pimping thread" and your done!!! You win!!! You solved the Universal Function of Forum Relativity!!! A whole community in 4 threads!! You are a genius!

What is this?????????? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS????????????? No seriously I'm kind of pissed/dissapointed I've read what you have posted up to now and I must say you don't have the slightest clue to what you are doing. Why don't you rename it to KMAN'S SKINNING FORUM??? I skin and model but never posted my work, yet!!! But still contributed to the community.... you wan't me to leave? I come here 3-4 times a week (have a felling it's going to be less) and you managed to get me mad. You are changing what is a jolly/go happy skinning forum into a tight ass forum, that's bad! Never saw in my whole life such nonsens guidelines. I hope you realize that this is the community speaking. You are either on course for a short mod life or a short forum life. But I hope you are in goodwill and this is only due to some overzeoulous need of order and discipline. You sincerly need to change behaviour.

[Emon]

Make a request forum AND a showcase forum.

[KMan]

Flaming about this will get you absolutely nowhere.

 

I had thought that the list of guidelines were basically "common sense". I borrowed heavily from several other 2d/3d editing forum sites to make up that list. It is there to inform those that are new to the bulletin board idea. It is to prevent flame wars, spamming and to encourage a self governing community.

 

Up till the time that I started as a moderator there was a constant bombardment of threads by people who are new to the whole idea of modeling and skinning and were constantly asking, "How do I skin?", "How do I model?". This is why I wanted to add those sticky's so there would be less time spent trying to explain commonplace knowledge and to let them find the answers there.

 

There has also been a large amount of spam and bumping which needs to be curbed. I see a large part of the reason for spamming is the useless "ranking" under each persons name. Who cares how many posts they have made, or what Star Wars monniker they are? They should be here to post what they have put effort into so they can get feedback and suggestions from the community on hot to make it better. By spamming and bumping, the number of pages radically increses for a single post. Have you tried to make sense of something like this? Take the yoda model post, for example. 45 pages. Almost half of it is crap. I started to go through there and delete all bumps and spam and whining. I got to page 10 and the pages dropped to just under 40.

 

I am trying to make it more senile for any new person who comes in here and decides to see what all the hype is about xxxxx model that has 800 posts that if they decide to read through it all and find out what's happening, they wont get bored because of all the bickering that had gone on in there because certain people couldn't wait.

 

If you have a problem with me or one of my actions, PM me. Don't let it get all built up and make some flaming post that will eventually get you banned from these forums. I don't want to go through the hassle and I'm fairly sure that nobody would want that to happen.

[CheshireKat]

Maybe you should stop and think of how nice things could be without all this SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Harukaze]

Okay, uhm, I appreciate everyone has a right to say what they wish. I said what I wanted, that I disagreed with Kman about moving the thread. But this thread has gotten way off track, and now I'm agreeing with Kman: instead of turning my group's thread into a spam/flamefest, could we all switch over to private messages?

 

There is nothing going on right now on our project which requires a skinning thread, because at this junction there is nothing that we have that needs a skin. If you disagree, PM me, and we'll revive the thread; for now though, I'm going to request to Kman that he closes this thread. It's only making our group look bad, before we even get off the ground.

 

If you are involved, or wish to be involved, PM me. I'm working on getting our people forwarding address at jk2edit.com, both so that we can be easily contact and so that, should we wish, we can keep a modicum of privacy. We'll also have a website soon, and we have forums [i'll respond to the PM with their location], but that's getting a bit far afield now. For now, I request that posts on this thread end until Kman can lock it down. If you have something absolutely vital to add, post now or forever hold your peace : )