ET Warrior Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 I know this has been addressed time and time again in these forums in different threads, so i thought, maybe we could end this problem with a thread devoted to it. The EU is of course anything that is not the Star Wars movies. books, comics, etc. etc. Many of these are very interesting, but it is VERY important not to confuse them with the movies. There is no such thing as the movies contradicting the books or comics. It is always the other way around. I like EU, i read many many books. But do not use EU to validate arguments that you are making in this forum, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 interesting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covenant_bad Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 i agree with ET, using EU in discussions about the films just confuses people e.g were the death star was originally concieved etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 You're right guys!!! *AMEN* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 5, 2002 Author Share Posted July 5, 2002 perhaps you could edit that post and......shorten it a little? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 Then I have a question. Which do you prefer, the EP II origin of the Death Star or the EU origin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 Personally I like the idea of Palpatine being two-faced and stealing the plans from the Geonosians for his own... After all, he is two-sided.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 5, 2002 Author Share Posted July 5, 2002 I almost S* my pants in theaters when i saw the geonosians reveal the death star plans i was so excited....it was approximately really really cool......so I prefer EpII origin for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 You guys know my view on this subjct. For those who dont....Look at my sig. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Oh I love both the movies and the EU, I think it's all great. I keep an open mind to it all and do not focus on any contradictions and such. I think the movies vs EU feuds and arguments lessen our worth and passion as Star Wars fans. Perhaps we should love and accept it all and not mind the contradictions, how futile or important they may be. This off course, without undoing the originality, value and worth of George Lucas' work. For me it's all passion (and about Aayla Secura obsession but shhhh ), so it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 I agree agent smith. In other threads I have said that EU is ok. I myself like some of the books and comics. Just dont mix EU with the movies. They should be discussed as 2 seperate things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Inquisitor Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 I would have to agree. The EU has it's place, it's just that we need to differentiate so as not to cause confusion during a discussion. In the end it is all STAR WARS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 6, 2002 Author Share Posted July 6, 2002 I am in no way saying that i don't like the EU.....i currently own over 40 EU Star Wars books and am buying new ones all the time. Just saying that EU cannot be used to prove a point in an argument about the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 That's a valid point ET Warrior, I agree. (Though books like the Episode II visual dictionary, reference guide, I do think that can be considered as the 'movies' and canon, no? I'm not sure about novelizations, they tend to be a little too different, good but off nonetheless.) The paradox is, what with old scripts and deleted scenes, meaning George Lucas planned it, wrote it, sometimes filmed it but never changed it, he just left it out for various reasons ... that could be considered as canon. Why? Because for example he films a scene about -hypothetical example- Aayla Secura killing Nute Gunray during the Arena battle. It's not in the theatre version, so many would say it's not canon, even though it was in the script and filmed. But what if Lucas then adds the scene to the DVD release version? Interesting isn't it? (And boy do I wish that scene would be real and on the DVD. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebelwerfer_ Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Come on... Where are all you EU diehards... Speak UP! I want to argue!!! EU even contradicts with EU: there is a jango fett comic which has HIM as a mandolorian supercommando, and that contradicts with the comics with boba as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 So? Your point being Nebelwerfer_? I'm fairly convinced you contradict yourself more on a daily bases than the SW EU or SW canon movies have ever done. Where's the idea of being a fan? Of liking it, even loving all of it and accepting its flaws and contradictions? It seems that for so many 'fans' we see roaming here, that has gotten lost. Star Wars doesn't bring them any passion or joy but only brings them to more hating, being negative. They still haven't learned a thing, have they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebelwerfer_ Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Dont get me wrong, I do love the EU, and JKII is my favorite game. But the people I was referring to are those who come into a conversation about Episode 2 or 3 saying, "yah, well darth bane was supposely sidious' master, so we'll see him in EpIII". Stuff like that. I take lots of pleasure in reading EU stuff and playing the video games, but i'm smart enough not to bring up that stuff in the Episode II forums where it has no place. I highly recommend people to read the SW novels, it makes you have a better understanding of the starwars universe. I only wish that the authors didn't write about important characters pasts knowing that Lucas was going to make prequels which would probably contradict them and confuse some of the "slower" fans. I dont think it should be up to no-name authors to tell us the origins of boba fett and owen lars, let's leave it to GL ok? thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 Yeap, I agree. EU is fine for people who want to see other possibilities of what could happen or what might have happened. But when people try to use it to present an argument about GL's story (the scripts and movies) then it pretty much just falls apart on them. That's his story, not the other writers, and he's the only one that can tell his story the way it's meant to be told. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 I don't know, to me it still seems to many here are too negative about Star Wars, canon or EU. They get into fights, frankly so many people here are 'haters', to use a popular word for it. Why not go back to what it's all about, our passion and love for Star Wars and respect it all, with most respect for George Lucas. (And if someone in the EU writes something contradictory because they do it for their purpose of story or their passion for a character, so be it. It's fiction, we love it but at the end of the day we know it's fiction and supposed to be entertainment.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebelwerfer_ Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 yah, it would be nice not to get into heated arguements about that cannon stuff. It would make me feel like less of a nerd also. I'll keep the "hating" down to a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 I dont ever try to get into "heated" arguments about this. I just state my opinions towards the suject. Im always in a good mood(or try to be;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior I almost S* my pants in theaters when i saw the geonosians reveal the death star plans i was so excited....it was approximately really really cool......so I prefer EpII origin for sure. Yeah, what really sucked was that my friend told me about that before I saw the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 According to Lucas, EU is a clouded window into the Star Wars universe. And clouded windows can still provide hints to the reality of a situation. Much EU was created to explain holes in a movie; for example, the Maw Cluster, Eeth Koth and Mace Windu switching lightsabers. EU is not canon but it is a valid source. It's certainly superior to guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebelwerfer_ Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 It's certainly superior to guessing well, that's what exactly the authors of EU do, guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 Originally posted by Nebelwerfer_ well, that's what exactly the authors of EU do, guess. Heh, you do have a point there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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