V 1.04 Sucks

[Psykotik]

People who REFUSE to explore new possibilities.

 

Originally posted by BigMexican

well you either must have been playing on some fairly low-skill-level servers, or be one of the best players in the world then psykotik, because there's no way someone using normal moves can kill a skilful pull/stabber. in a ffa server it's easy to rack up a kill every 20 seconds or so with backstab, sometimes as many as 10 kills a minute. i'd like to see you match that without backstab. a kill every 6 seconds ... it takes about that long to do a complete heavy stance swing.

 

backslash was overpowered, and as such, everyone not only used it, but also abused it. it narrowed gameplay down so much that it just became boring, no fun anymore. the same move over and over if you wanted to have any chance to play competitively.

 

Ahem, I rest my case. To quote a convwersation between Luke and Yoda

 

"I don't believe it"

 

"That is why you fail"

 

To NOT be able to do that only proves how unbelievable DEPENDANT you are on following others leads. How did I do it? I practiced and practiced, until eventually no matter what you did you WERENT pulling and backstabbing me...

 

EDIT, Elaborating a bit: There was a certain amount of chances to be opportunistic when people were pulling each other until someone fell. If you took these opportunities, you could get tons of kills very quickly, leaving people wondering what just happened. But, again, you had to use your brain and good judgement, so I guess thats not an option in anyones case who complained about backstabbing, so this argument will fall upon deaf ears.

[Psykotik]

Originally posted by cuchulaine

Sorry but now you will have to actually play the game without your unfair advantage. Boo Hoo

 

Ive already said I didnt use pull and backstab. But just humor me, how exactly is it an unfair advantage...anyone could do it. Anyone could counter it if they used any portion of their brain. How this statement should read is

 

"Now you will have to actually play the game where people who have never played and hold attack while running forward will kill you if you try to do anything with any sort of style. Boo Hoo :cry7:"

[LOUman]

Do you want to know what i think about this???

Look at my avatar. Then you know it!

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psykotic, I know what your referring to when you talk about backstab and its true, it took tons of skill to keep a skilled backstabber from pulling you down, but it was possible. I used to do it without using absorb, while very hard it was most definately possible, even against the most skilled backstabber. No Force duels seem pretty much skill less with drain, lightning and grip ruling the force duel servers. It's too bad they dumb down the game and didnt add any new forces or moves in its place.

[BigMexican]

so psy, what you're saying is that you could get say ... 50 kills in 5 minutes without using backstab? you say you take advantage of opportunities, well they dont come as often as that im sorry. there's no doubt about it, someone using a one-hit-kill tactic will rack up kills faster than someone who isnt, simply because when the person who isn't encounters a person who simply blocks their attacks, or has 300 health/shields, they'll have to work them down, whereas the backstabber can simply stab them and move on.

 

practice doesn't make other people perform so that you can kill them quickly. people want to live, they'll attack you back, heal, run away, anything to not die. there's none of that when you backstab someone. using your brain wont help much either, you'll be too busy trying to figure out what your opponent's doing and trying to counter it, varying your moves etc. a backstabber simply pulls, if blocked, switches to kicks, or waits for an opportunity to pull.

 

and as for the believing quote, im sorry but this is real life. we aren't learning to use the force, we're discussing tactics in a computer game.

 

it's simple, a backstab is mostly unblockable and kills pretty much instantly. normal moves are easy to block and don't even come close to killing in one hit. the DFA is the only special move that can kill someone on 300 health/shields, and even then you need to get a good hit on your opponent. the backstab hits more often and does more damage, therefore it will kill quicker. there's no maybe about it. if you won without using backstab, you were playing people of significantly lower skill.

[BigMexican]

it's not about how skilled he/she is. the simple fact of the matter is that backstab kills faster than anything else, in any situation, making it the only choice for someone who wants to play the best they can. if psykotik can do that well without backstab, then he/she should be able to do even better without it, because it doesn't get blocked and does more damage. it's pretty simple logic ...

[Homosexual Ewok]

Originally posted by BigMexican

well you either must have been playing on some fairly low-skill-level servers, or be one of the best players in the world then psykotik, because there's no way someone using normal moves can kill a skilful pull/stabber.

 

I'm not sure if he/she has upgraded to v1.04, due to the fact that I have not seen him/her since upgrading, but If not, I suggest you go play on a few v1.03 FF duel servers and look for a player named AquaSilk (sorry if I messed your name up aqua).

 

 

Then come back here and see if your opinion is the same.

Those of you that have played him/her know exactly what I mean.

[LoneJedi]

The backstab is just too freaking easy to excecute, and it does so much freaking damage. It should either be harder to execute or do less damage. Look at the yellow DFA,the cursor must be red, you must press forard+primary+jump, at once, doing 125 damage so iver heard. Whereas backstab is, primary+back, you just need someone there to hit. Damage is instant kill. Not exactly even.

[Sith Maximus]

I posted once before but now I am getting a bit po at this whole thread. The game is the way it is period. If you do not like the current version uninstall and go play another one. If you want to pout by not playing thats fine too because we do not want to play with you either. In the end it comes down to one thing. THIS IS JUST A GAME AND YOU ARE SOPOSED TO HAVE FUN! If you are not having fun go play something else!

 

Some people are more skilled than others, some people will cheat in games and life to get ahead, and some people smile and take it in the rear because they know that in the end it does not matter a hill of beans because it is just a game.

 

Stop bitching, complaining and analyzing this game because its just for fun. Do not take everything like your mommy just took away your backstab and now you can not win anymore!

 

Also maybe they should not have made so many changes but guess what, they are in this for the MONEY! If the public hears that this game sucks because people backstab all of the time, or dfa, or kick and sales go down then they will change it so people will buy the game again or the expansions because they now hear: "Well Bill the game was full of backstabbing kicking whores but its fixed now and is a hoot to play, plus its not hard to pick up!".

 

The reasons for changes are endless but just play the damn game, okay! Have fun! Also winning is not everything, but having fun is! Everyne just needs to thake a pill and relax then the fun will come back to you!

[LOUman]

jerk

[tempest8008]

I only just installed 1.04 a few days ago, so my viewpoint is relatively unsullied. Heck, I didn't even know it had been released until I got hit over the head with an email from my brother about it...

 

1.02 - mostly addressed server issues and a couple of minor bugs

1.03 - nerfed the DFA with the buried saber bug, introduced the backstab/slash as the new one hit killer, nerfed Heal.

1.04 - nerfed the one hit killer, played with the guns a bit, removed the mid-air lunge slide etc etc.

 

 

Well. I agree with the others in this Thread that just say to play the game and have fun. One hit kills always sucked (when you were on the receiving end), but the other aspects, with spins and pivots, could have easily been fixed by just allowing these moves to be blockable. The mid-air slide didn't hurt anyone either.

 

Okay, they were bugs, but they made gameplay MORE varied, not less, so I felt they were good things.

 

They seem to have nerfed saber damage too, and THAT bothers me. The saber should be the most lethal weapon in the game, not the repeater. If I stick my saber through you, you should be dead unless you've got shields. The light lunge should be a one-hit kill if it connects. A medium slash should be a one-hit kill if it connects. A heavy swipe should cut you in half if it connects.

 

I would have liked to see a toggle between attacking and defending. The auto-block is too powerful. Now, if you were being attacked with a flurry of swipes, and you were, say, holding down your right mouse button to Defend, that would be fine. But you had to release your 'defend' function to attack, leaving yourself open for a riposte....that'd make the gameplay much more varied and interesting.

 

I dunno.

 

Seems to me they started off with a good game, but then started tweaking this and changing that and lowering that value and raising this value. It's like they're experimenting, hoping to get it right some patch.

 

Well. This ain't it. I'm not expecting another patch before the add-on pack comes out. I have a feeling the add-on pack will make a fair number of changes to how saber combat is dealt with.

 

I'll keep playing the game because I love the concept, the graphics work for me, and hey, it's Star Wars. As we get used to 1.04 we'll get used to the gameplay, but I'll wait to freak out until I get the add-on and it sucks....

[Nuke]

Originally posted by Sith Maximus

I posted once before but now I am getting a bit po at this whole thread. The game is the way it is period. If you do not like the current version uninstall and go play another one. If you want to pout by not playing thats fine too because we do not want to play with you either. In the end it comes down to one thing. THIS IS JUST A GAME AND YOU ARE SOPOSED TO HAVE FUN! If you are not having fun go play something else!

 

Some people are more skilled than others, some people will cheat in games and life to get ahead, and some people smile and take it in the rear because they know that in the end it does not matter a hill of beans because it is just a game.

 

Stop bitching, complaining and analyzing this game because its just for fun. Do not take everything like your mommy just took away your backstab and now you can not win anymore!

 

Also maybe they should not have made so many changes but guess what, they are in this for the MONEY! If the public hears that this game sucks because people backstab all of the time, or dfa, or kick and sales go down then they will change it so people will buy the game again or the expansions because they now hear: "Well Bill the game was full of backstabbing kicking whores but its fixed now and is a hoot to play, plus its not hard to pick up!".

 

The reasons for changes are endless but just play the damn game, okay! Have fun! Also winning is not everything, but having fun is! Everyne just needs to thake a pill and relax then the fun will come back to you!

 

 

I agree with you on "winning is not everything, but having fun is" and "they should not have made so many changes" but I could say "The Thread is the way it is period. If you do not like the current version uninstall and go spam another one.".

 

However, I wish I could play it! Since 1.04 they have introduced the new network protocol 16. I get tons of cl_whatsoever messages now. I experience also an increase in the average ping. And I totally dislike the reduction of saberdamage introduced in 1.03: tip-damage and off-mid swing damage). BTW, I welcome any changes that increaes the variety of the game.

[Sith Maximus]

Originally posted by LOUman

jerk

 

Another productive quote. We thank you for your immense thought on the subject. I hope you did not give yourself an aneurysm coming up with that reply. I guess we now know that you are one of the light side backstabbing whores who got their backstab taken away. I feel pain for you. Now stfu and play or go and cheat at Counterstrike.

[baseq]

Hey, i am in for another unconstructive post... another rant..

Just to let know where the balance is when it comes to opinion about 1.04 :

IT JUST PLAIN SUCKS... I finally tested it altho i knew before i played what the game would look like. I was RIGHT when i first commented the changes before it was released on Bluesnews, It's all exactly like i had predicted it would be, UNFORTUNATELY.

I wish i was wrong, darn, i wish it hard.

 

I've tested, and i am mostly a CTF/saberonly player. the games were plain boring. always the same thing, i could last for hours with ennemy flag, defending my base against ennemy attackers, and waiting for hours that my team's attackers would return the flag.

I died a couple of times, only, out of being bored to death, watching somewhere else or doing anything but survival moves in order to have a chance to die and finally go on to attack.

 

1-I have to say, i waited some times before testing the patch in order so that i dont have a biased opinion on the general gameplay of other players : I let the necessary time for players to adjust to changes in the gameplay.

2-I dont whine because of poor scores now, as i was first [with no merit] on scoreboard, i generally dont give a #### about individual scores, i am a team player, I just found the game to be plain boring.

 

3-I cant understand the rants about one hit kills... that is what saber is about ! whatever the move. it's not about Eroll Flyn duelling for hours with fancy stances and pretty hair cut.

Basically if opponents are almost as skilled it will take more than one move before one dies, but if the skills are unbalanced, the weaker dies fast and will have to work his skill for next encounter. That is how it is supposed to be, and how it worked in 1.03.

 

Now i am not that conservative, things can change, dammages can and certainly should be adjusted from one version to another... And yes, in the logic and the spirit of the game, light backstab shouldnt allow pivoting, but other stances "backstab" are slash moves, they need the pivot and skill with crosshair aiming for instance while turning... they also should leave the backstaber quite defenssless while performing this move, thus, quite an easy prey if you anticipate and pary the move. BUT anyway, a saber game must have ONE-HIT-KILL moves, with drawbacks attached to performing them.

In my opinion, 1.03 was far from perfect on that matter, but at least it rewarded skills and "work" and had no technique so unfair that you couldnt survive them (of course you had to work your skills before... booohooo ).

 

baseq

[LOUman]

Originally posted by Sith Maximus

 

Another productive quote. We thank you for your immense thought on the subject. I hope you did not give yourself an aneurysm coming up with that reply. I guess we now know that you are one of the light side backstabbing whores who got their backstab taken away. I feel pain for you. Now stfu and play or go and cheat at Counterstrike.

 

i really want to see you fighting...

 

if i do a backstab it's only because someone is behind me. not because i try to get someone behindme like you. you feel pain for me? i don't want to say what i feel for you.

[Nuke]

Originally posted by baseq

I died a couple of times, only, out of being bored to death,

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3-I cant understand the rants about one hit kills... that is what saber is about ! whatever the move. it's not about Eroll Flyn duelling for hours with fancy stances and pretty hair cut.

Basically if opponents are almost as skilled it will take more than one move before one dies, but if the skills are unbalanced, the weaker dies fast and will have to work his skill for next encounter. That is how it is supposed to be, and how it worked in 1.03.

....

BUT anyway, a saber game must have ONE-HIT-KILL moves, with drawbacks attached to performing them.

In my opinion, 1.03 was far from perfect on that matter, but at least it rewarded skills and "work" and had no technique so unfair that you couldnt survive them (of course you had to work your skills before... booohooo ).

 

baseq

 

 

Right you are, at least with most of your points! Since 1.04 I was killed so many times by my opponents boring me to death. lol!

 

I changed my mind on pivots and all this. I have only one point: Put back the saber damage model of 1.02: tip damage and off mid swing damage, and keed everything else as it is in 1.04 (probably double bs, but no pivot).

 

In FFA and CTF One Hit Kills (or allmost one hit kills) is the only thing that makes sense! Otherwise FFA is just a chaotic chain of duels.