Pada-Wan Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 my friend and i were talking about GL and how he makes his own stories up and my friend said that he takes his ideas mostly from the EU books. And that the EU is the "offical" star wars storyline. and that GL "personally" qualifies every book to be published. i told him that he makes his own stories and he has his workers qualify each book and he said i had no proof of this. so would u guys give me some proof so i can win this argument with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0ulblihtr Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 EU isn't the "official" story line, but GL does authorize every one of the books that goes out. Being that he does that, I am sure that he also tries to keep all the stories together. Don't want to have a new book after ROTJ that GL wrote saying that The emperor never comes back. That could mean for a major suit against GL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CagedCrado Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 if one day george lucas decides the emperor never comes back, he can say that because the storyline is his. The EU books are approved by the lucas people but not necesarily george lucas himself, it is just how george wants it, the people that write EU dont really have a say and that is part of the contract it is unofficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 basicaly what CagedCrado said, though trying to tell that to one of those damn EU worshing idiots is damn near impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 The EU started in the SW fan mags with authors submitting stories. After getting Lucas (the comapany) to finally release their right to publish these stories under the Lucas label did the EU finally become semi "official". The storyline's are written by the authors, but its still Lucas' baby. If he says jump they'll say how high. eg: Lucas thought the stories were getting stale so he requested that a major character (Chewbacca) get killed off in one of the NJO books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 That's more or less it, justl iek as long as it doesn't interefere with my film saga then you're alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 i bet lucas reads some of these books in his spare time ..... but yeah i think hes got a group that oks the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Tell your friend to read my sig. That says what is official or canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 ^^where on SW.com does it say this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Knight Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 if chewie dies or died in the mvies i would cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Officially: EU is a clouded window to the SW universe. (official SW magazine that I can't remember the name of, SW.com) It is superior to what unlicensed fanboys/fangirls dream up. Lucas no longer reads all SW literature, except for the comics; there got to be too much of it, I suppose. Don't quote me on that; I forgot the source. Lucas took Coruscant, double-bladed lightsabers, the Sith, Jango Fett's armor (notice those spikes that popped out from his arms on Kamino? Yup, taken from EU comics), Holocrons (although they had to be cut from Ep 2 along with a TON of cool stuff that I would die to see on the DVD ) among other things from EU. EU does matter. That's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 My yound padawan, The EU=Garbage. Sure, it is interesting to read, but it is not the story line. I can offer no proof that it is not the story line, but I just know. We all know that Boba Fett Died in that Sarlacc pit, and we know that there is no Lizard that can block out force powers, and we know that just finding a lightsaber in a closet doesn't make you a jedi. (Well, maybe there is proof after all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I demand proof *knows you said you didn't have any* Why is it that no one on the DIE EU DIE side offers anything but trying to force their own opinion on everyone else and flamin "EU-lovers". (Note I don't even like much of the EU ) I'm trying to explain: EU isn't absolute canon. It's partial canon. IE "Something like it happened/existed/etc". With the actual films, "That's exactly what happened/existed/etc". That isn't something I just came up with on my own, either. It's the official stance. (Note that half the argument I'm talking about here took place on the Ep 2 forums ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Redwing I demand proof *knows you said you didn't have any* Why is it that no one on the DIE EU DIE side offers anything but trying to force their own opinion on everyone else and flamin "EU-lovers". (Note I don't even like much of the EU ) I'm trying to explain: EU isn't absolute canon. It's partial canon. IE "Something like it happened/existed/etc". With the actual films, "That's exactly what happened/existed/etc". Now that isn't something I just came up with on my own. It's the official stance. (Note that half the argument I'm talking about here took place on the Ep 2 forums ) well, I didn't flame you in any way, and the "padawan" comment was to "pada-wan" so I didn't mean any offense. And I agree that some(big emphasis on the word "some") EU is actually good for the movies, IE: Shadows of the Empire. I see EU as one Huge, gigantic FanFic. Like if Fett survived the sarlacc pit, Chewie Dieing, approx. 1 mill Clones of the emporer made, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Pada-Wan ^^where on SW.com does it say this? http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20010817.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 ^^^ thanks. and thank you for the guidance, master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 No problem, Im here to guide the lost ones in the right direction. Like your foolish friend:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissectional Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 yeah that little tidbit enlightened my view on the EU. They are meant to tell the after story, but not exactly, in the way that an after story trilogy of films would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I think we should make a petition to try and get George Lucas to make a proper and difinitative statement on this whole matter! So many times we discuss this and we dont know anything for sure because the whole Star Wars world is in his hands! I demand a statement dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Redwing I'm trying to explain: EU isn't absolute canon. It's partial canon. IE "Something like it happened/existed/etc". With the actual films, "That's exactly what happened/existed/etc". That isn't something I just came up with on my own, either. It's the official stance. It isn't cannon at all. It is cannon when its in the movies, no matter where George Lucas got the idea it is cannon when it in the movies not when its written in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Yes! Thank you Motion Man, that's what I was looking for Here is what I've been saying: "The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.' " *kick* I told you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NwO_2k_Mutt Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 holy crap you guys dont get out much to argue on this level do ya ? Seek the sunshine ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Redwing Yes! Thank you Motion Man, that's what I was looking for *kick* I told you! Look at my sig again. We are not looking for semi canon. or a foggy window. ABSOLUTE CANON are the movies. The rest are storys of nobodys being made into somebodys:D If you read it again youll see a phrase that says "SW-FICTION"-thank you and good night! starwars.com "they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies. " fic·tion Pronunciation Key (fkshn) n. An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted July 24, 2002 Share Posted July 24, 2002 Ummm...you realize , right? That Star Wars IS FICTION?? I never said I was looking for absolute canon...stop trying to mold me into the image of everyone you've ever argued with before. The Star Wars saga is the movies alone quite simply because it is a heavily symbolic mythology. EU ruins much of the symbolism. That's why it's a clouded window. You're not looking for a clouded window. But some of the rest of us may be. And no one has a right to flame another person for what they are looking for. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 24, 2002 Share Posted July 24, 2002 I wasnt flaming you man, sorry if I sounded like I was. I was just stating my veiw on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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