JediNyt Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 I mean come on! Why did George decide that sabers can only be blue green and red? WTF? It doesnt make sense. What about all the saber colors that were in the ep 1 collectible figuers? What about all the stuff thats not in the movies? Thats still 100% Star Wars! All the books, games, toys, art, etc. that Lucas aprooves?! I am mind boggled and dissapointed. Lucas why dont you ever explain these matters?! Its your responsibility! Your like a father to us! Did your father never talk to you and explain anything to you? Star Wars is a huge part of our lives! Sorry if I got a little carried away with this post. I know lucas will never look at it. I just had to say it somewhere and starwars.com just ignores me. Sheesh! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 Oh dear, it seems we will have to explain 'Expanded Universe' to our friend darkjedinut here......could comebody else explain please...i jsut mowed some lawns and i need a shower very badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 Well look at my sig.(the small print is from starwars.com) I too have little time to explain this:) If it is in the books it is SW fiction. It is not canon. Dont take the books too serious as if it were 100% SW fact. Only the movies are the true source of SW NON-fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun II Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 Originally posted by DarkJediNut I mean come on! Why did George decide that sabers can only be blue green and red? WTF? It doesnt make sense. What about all the saber colors that were in the ep 1 collectible figuers? What about all the stuff thats not in the movies? Thats still 100% Star Wars! All the books, games, toys, art, etc. that Lucas aprooves?! I am mind boggled and dissapointed. Lucas why dont you ever explain these matters?! Its your responsibility! Your like a father to us! Did your father never talk to you and explain anything to you? Star Wars is a huge part of our lives! Sorry if I got a little carried away with this post. I know lucas will never look at it. I just had to say it somewhere and starwars.com just ignores me. Sheesh! :( The books are EU and are not related to the films in any way. Anything you read in a book, take it for the fiction that it is. The crystals in the sabers decide the color of the blade. Also, I think it has a lot to do with film and how the colors translate onscreen. The sith use a synthetic crystal different from the Jedi, which gives their blades it's color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted July 28, 2002 Author Share Posted July 28, 2002 Sorry but wtf is "canon" Ive never heard that term before and NO I dont live under a rock. And EU IS SW 100% and it DOES have to do with the SW stories. SW is FICTION as we all know. Its not real. Just because George didnt write the EU books etc. he had a good hand in creating it and he approved all of it cause SW is HIS! Theres no such thing as SW fact but maybe you just used the wrong phrase so I wont flame you for it. Only George himself knows the whole truth on this matter I'm just frustrated that he wont explain it. Understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaTT[-FcG-] Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Here is the dictionary term for the word canon... http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=canon And here is the official starwars.com's view on EU and the term Canon. http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20010817.html Although it has been pointed out to you before in MotionMan's Signature it seems you missed the main quote from the above page... When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Anything not in the films is NOT canon. George has 100% control over the films but with EU that is not the case. Many EU writers take the star wars story and create thier own inerpretations of Georges work. For example... The is a new Darth Vader v Darth Maul Comic coming out shortly! We know that in the films this couldnt have happened but since an EU writer thought it would be fun to pit both Sith against each other it gets written anyhow. Personally I hate EU star wars because... 1) Most of it is basically cat poop. 2) It messes with the orignal story of the films so when the emperor died in Episode 6... He died for good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaTT[-FcG-] Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Oh... In casde you didnt see episode 2... there are actually 4 saber colours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted July 28, 2002 Author Share Posted July 28, 2002 Sam Jackson requested a purple saber cause his son asked him to have one. In "canon" theres only 3 colors. I know about the crap that some eu writers have created. I focus on the main story line ie the Skywalkers. I havent read alot of eu but Ive read Shadows of the Empire, Truce at Bakura, and Heir to the Empire trilogy. Those stories do not conflick at all with the movies. Theyre great and stick to canon. All I said was that I thought it lame to only have 3 lightsaber colors. Thats all. By the way thx for showing me what canon means. Preciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Screw the canon explonaition crap, the real reason that GL didn't make more then 3 colours (not including Mace Windu's saber) of light saber, is that it is much simpler. In the old SW there are only 4 Jedis or 3 Jedis and Luke. Darth Vader, Yoda, Obi Wan and Luke copies one of the colours, can't remember which one, but in Jedi Knight 2 it is a green light saber, in the movies I am half sure it is blue. Darth Vader - Red Saber (Obvious) Obi Wan - Green (Same colour of the Death Star laser) Yoda - Can;t remember, someone else might help Luke - Ah, I was right on both colours, in the SW5 The Empire Strikes Back Luke's saber is BLUE in SW6 Return Of the Jedi Luke's saber is GREEN, Maybe its Obi Wan's saber, as I only watched the final battle between Darth and Luke, when Luke force pulls the saber it is Green, also he did lose his blue saber in SW5. The point of ALL this that I wrote, well GL had NO NEED for more then 3 colours, and they are colours that stick out, we don't want a pink saber do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun II Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 Screw the canon explonaition crap, the real reason that GL didn't make more then 3 colours (not including Mace Windu's saber) of light saber, is that it is much simpler. In the old SW there are only 4 Jedis or 3 Jedis and Luke. Darth Vader, Yoda, Obi Wan and Luke copies one of the colours, can't remember which one, but in Jedi Knight 2 it is a green light saber, in the movies I am half sure it is blue. Darth Vader - Red Saber (Obvious) Obi Wan - Green (Same colour of the Death Star laser) Yoda - Can;t remember, someone else might help Luke - Ah, I was right on both colours, in the SW5 The Empire Strikes Back Luke's saber is BLUE in SW6 Return Of the Jedi Luke's saber is GREEN, Maybe its Obi Wan's saber, as I only watched the final battle between Darth and Luke, when Luke force pulls the saber it is Green, also he did lose his blue saber in SW5. The point of ALL this that I wrote, well GL had NO NEED for more then 3 colours, and they are colours that stick out, we don't want a pink saber do we. The reason Luke's saber is in Episode V blue is that it is his father Anakin's saber, which Obi-Wan gives him in Episode IV. During the pivotal duel in Empire Strikes Back, Luke gets his hand severed by Vader and loses his saber. Obi-wan's saber is lost with him in Episode IV, so it is not Obi-Wan's blue saber that Luke is using. Luke constructs a new lightsaber between Episode V and VI. That is why it is green. The colors, as I've said before had a lot to do with how they looked on film, but I agree, it is much simpler to work with just a few colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 In the old SW there are only 4 Jedis or 3 Jedis and Luke. Darth Vader, Yoda, Obi Wan and Luke copies one of the colours, can't remember which one, but in Jedi Knight 2 it is a green light saber, in the movies I am half sure it is blue. Darth Vader - Red Saber (Obvious) Obi Wan - Green (Same colour of the Death Star laser) Yoda - Can;t remember, someone else might help Yoda didnt have a saber in the OT. If he did they didnt show it. You cant remember Yodas saber color cause you were half asleep throughout the 1 time you saw ep.2 By the way it was green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Originally posted by DarkJediNut Sam Jackson requested a purple saber cause his son asked him to have one. In "canon" theres only 3 colors. I know about the crap that some eu writers have created. I focus on the main story line ie the Skywalkers. I havent read alot of eu but Ive read Shadows of the Empire, Truce at Bakura, and Heir to the Empire trilogy. Those stories do not conflick at all with the movies. Theyre great and stick to canon. All I said was that I thought it lame to only have 3 lightsaber colors. Thats all. By the way thx for showing me what canon means. Preciate it. In "canon" There are 4 saber colors. Because in the movie, there are 4 saber colors. It matters not if it's only because Sam Jackson really wanted one.....he has it, in the movie, and thus purple sabers exist in star wars canon. The main reason that George stuck to these colors is to avoid confusion. If you see a dude with a red saber.....he is a BAD guy. No mistaking that. If he's got a blue or a green one, he's a good guy. In EU i believe Aayla secura...or is adi galia...had a crimson saber, thus people who aren't hardcore star wars fans would be confused, and assume she was a bad person. The heir to the empire series greatly contradicts canon with their cloning. First of all, we see in AotC that you cannot grow a clone inside a tank. They must be raised and taught like normal human beings. We also saw that clones don't go insane if they don't have ysalimiri surrounding them. And i could be mistaken..but isn't the Katana fleet in heir to the empire series? Supposedly a giant fleet of dreadnaughts sent out....but we have never ever seen a dreadnaught in a star wars movie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AgentSmith Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 You are correct ET Warrior, in the EU comics Aayla Secura and Adi Gallia each have a red lightsaber. Though to fall in line with Episode II in the newest comics Aayla has a blue lightsaber. (Possibly she made a new one.) In the 'Heir to the Empire' series Thrawn grows clones in 15 days thanks to the Ysalamiri blocking out the Force because if you grown clones in less than 5 years they will go insane. (EU theory.) This doesn't contradict yet with Ep II AOTC since the clones there were grown and taught over 10 years time, giving them enough time to adjust. If they would be grown over 4 or 5 years it might show that many go insane. (Maybe a possible story arc for Ep III?) But it's true that 'Heir of The Empirte' said nothing about teaching or educating the clone, that's a hole in the story indeed. As for the Katana fleet or the Outbound Flight Project, good question, they weren't in TPM or AOTC so that's a really big hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted July 29, 2002 Author Share Posted July 29, 2002 Just cause the Katana fleet wasnt in the movies doesnt mean it contradicts the canon. Does it? Its a whole galaxy and you cant show all the history in the movies, just the most important stuff. The movies never talk about the origin of the Sith or who Palpatines Master was(it might have been Darth Bane). You never see Mara Jade in ep6 but that still doesnt leave any major holes. EU isnt canon but the holes it leaves arent huge and can be explained by"We just didnt see it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 29, 2002 Share Posted July 29, 2002 Originally posted by DarkJediNut Just cause the Katana fleet wasnt in the movies doesnt mean it contradicts the canon. Does it? Its a whole galaxy and you cant show all the history in the movies, just the most important stuff. The movies never talk about the origin of the Sith or who Palpatines Master was(it might have been Darth Bane). You never see Mara Jade in ep6 but that still doesnt leave any major holes. EU isnt canon but the holes it leaves arent huge and can be explained by"We just didnt see it". I know what your saying darkjedinut. The only way the history of of the sith or who was sidious's master ect... could be explained was if Lucas himself wrote a book to explain all this. As of now yes it seems that the explination given in the EU books about the things you described are the accepted theorys. Lucas can make a new movie that takes place before Phantom menace or after return of the Jedi and contradict everything that has been written in the EU books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Well, just a question: Were you all or not dissapointed with the fact that only are 4 sabercolors in SW now? I WAS (crimsom is different from red, i think crimsom will be more 'pinkier' and red is more 'oranger') Anyways, Ki-Adi had a purple saber, what happened Windu stoled it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun II Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by Keiran Halcyon Well, just a question: Were you all or not dissapointed with the fact that only are 4 sabercolors in SW now? I WAS (crimsom is different from red, i think crimsom will be more 'pinkier' and red is more 'oranger') Anyways, Ki-Adi had a purple saber, what happened Windu stoled it ? Personally, I wasn't. Many different colors would have been nice, but having only a few colors lent a level of consistency to the movie, as well as the characters. Besides, it would have just been more of a hassle for George Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Consistency?!? Why many saber colors could affect consistency? And it add personality to the characters... Well if george had put only the council members with different saber colors, i would have been most pleased, BUT.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by DarkJediNut I mean come on! Why did George decide that sabers can only be blue green and red? WTF? It doesnt make sense. By your line of thinking, shouldn't you be asking more pertinent questions? As in the following: "How come Autumn leaves only turn brown, yellow, red, and orange? Why not teal, aqua, purple, black etc...?" "How come astro-turf is only green? Can't it be hot pink? WTF? it is fake grass isn't?" "Why don't they play with purple, crimson, fuscia or cyan baseballs in the MLB?" "Why is broccoli only green?" "Why don't the Jedi dress in plaid, bell-bottoms or battle armor? "Why do I question everything I see?" etc... You are aware that we (as in the Human race of this reality) currently possess only two colors of true "lasers", red and blue (Ruby and Argon respectively) Why is it so hard to imagine Red, Green and Blue are the only colors possible in George Lucas's Star Wars universe. We can only make two ourselves! Why should they be any different? And here is another approach, Maybe that's part of being a Jedi or Sith. They may be other colors available if you try hard enough. But it is tradition that a Jedi only use Green or Blue or a Sith to use Red. Just as it is tradition that Jedi were traditional Jedi robes and attire. Jedi don't dress in jumpsuits or Battle armor or in fancy dresses. Why? Because it's tradition. Just like your high school isn't going to change base colors of it's football jerseys. Because it's traditiuon that they remain the colors of the school. They may change the scheme from time to time, but not the base colors. Tradition is a strong driving force in many cultures and groups. Why would the Jedi be any different? Especially since they have existed in virtually the same capacity for over 4000 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 An Excellent post Havoc.......and the jedi have existed for MUCH more than 4,000 years...as ben kenobi says, they were the keepers of peace for over 1,000 generations. Therefore it was at least 50,000 years or more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 I don't think it matters why there are different colours, there just are. Neither is anyone going to get confused from different colours, is not like Rambo wears a red ribbon or cloth of some kind arround his head, so that non Rambo fans know it is him. It could be somehow traditional, everyone normally uses these 3 colours (not including the Mace Windu saber), it is just become standared. If a Jedi doesn't like the colour, he will just make his own one, but like I said, really not worth the bother, it does the job and slices and dices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by MotionMan As of now yes it seems that the explination given in the EU books about the things you described are the accepted theorys. Lucas can make a new movie that takes place before Phantom menace or after return of the Jedi and contradict everything that has been written in the EU books. Hence the essence of Canon. The EU cannot contradict what Lucas has put forth (for that matter, it's not suppose to contradict other EU). Lucas, however, can go ahead and contradict ANYTHING put forth in the EU. That's what make his work canon and the others not. "How come Autumn leaves only turn brown, yellow, red, and orange? Why not teal, aqua, purple, black etc...?" Because the leaves change colors to absorb different ranges of the visible spectrum. If they were teal, aqua, purple, black etc., they wouldn't be able to absorb said colors and carry out photosynthesis. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by Kryllith "How come Autumn leaves only turn brown, yellow, red, and orange? Why not teal, aqua, purple, black etc...?" Because the leaves change colors to absorb different ranges of the visible spectrum. If they were teal, aqua, purple, black etc., they wouldn't be able to absorb said colors and carry out photosynthesis. Kryllith SmartAss! Actually, Leaves are green initially because of Chlorophyl contained in each of the leaves' cells. There is so much Chlorophyl that the leaves appear green. It's that Chlorophyl that makes Photosynthesis possible (The Chlorophyl is the Cellular structure that actually absorbs sunlight and converts it into simple sugars for energy). During the autumn season, tempatures begin to cool, and sunlight becomes more indirect, causing the Chlorophyl to break down and dissapate from within the leaves' cells. Therefor allowing the leaves natural pigments to absorb their perspective bandwith of visible light and leaving the remaining unabsorbed visible light to be reflected to our eyes and their "fall colors" to be seen. There are three pigments found in Decidious trees' leaves. The levels of each pigment in each leaf, determines the color of that leaf. The most common combinations result in yellow, orange, red and brown (Tints and Shades thereof, of course). Then again in spring, when leaves are formed, Chlorophyl becomes present again and the whole process repeats. That concludes your science class for today! Besides, it was a rhetorical question anyways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Rhetorical questions are the best ones! Of course, that one could be scientifically answered. I suppose it's possible that the others might be too. Maybe there's a psychological problem with players trying to play on pink astroturf (I've not read any studies about it, but they may be out there...) Oh, and yes, I am a smartass. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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