Datheus Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Well, he said it was given to kids... but don't get to high on your horse Jabba.. I heard on some news station that about 50% of America's scientists come from foreign countries... Some insane number like that... our education is good...but it could be much better... we sink millions, billions even, of dollars where it doesn't belong, when it should be going into education -edit- Yes...Jabba...with our support, we do have strong influence... and I think pulling out is the best way to get Israel to stop making those attacks that kill everyone but the people they say they're attack... they simply don't need MISSILES to take out ONE man, just a well placed sniper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Frankly, I've had enough of America's world police attitude. Don't you Americans see that Bush has no desire for peace in the middle east? The only thing that no-brainer wants, is war, and to flex his muscles at the rest of the world. Bush is not a smart man. And many of you Americans are too indoctrinated with nationalism - you are almost fanatical in the belief that America just IS the best place to live, and if anyone believes anything else, well, then you feel sorry for them. Like, "poor man, he doesn't understand that we're far better off here than where he lives"! The American patriotism isn't healthy. AND you seem to have reallyyyy high thoughts of yourselves and your world police-role. Why should America care about Vietnam, for example. Was there any political reason? You guys just had to start a fight, hadn't you, because their ideas didn't suit you. Because of your arrogance and towering self-esteem, as well as a firm belief that the AMERICANS are the ones who should clean the world of all evil, thousands of your boys were slaughtered. I'm glad Viet-Cong won, though, after being raped by the US like that. America have this attitude that the AMERICANS are the ones who shall clean the world of all evil - you Holy Mission or something...Just too bad that your ideas of evil isn't necissarily the right ones. One main reason of the US's siding with Israel is because of the high percentage of Jewish citizens in your country. How many percent of your population is Jewish? MANY! Bush's integrity is virtually none-existant. He's bought. Whu should you attack Iraq? Is there any reason?? "Yea, we gonna ####en get Saddam now!" Why bother? He hasn't done anything wrong recently, has he? No, Bush only wants to flex his muscles. Your country should get better management. And get rid of the destructive patriotism! The US should calm down, and don't play at being Holy Knights Off To Save The World. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 hear hear!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 I just wanna rebutt one thing. Just to start a fight with Iraq? If you would read or watch the news you would know that he is developing weapons of mass destruction, and he is a fantatical man that is truely evil. He would not hesitate to use them, and therefore we must protect ourselves and our neighboring allies from him. Its not just to start a fight with a bad guy. He has done many things wrong, such as not allow UN inspectors. and yes, Iraq is apart of the UN. wanna go back to world war I or world war II? We were damn fanatical about that weren't we eh? I'm glad we were, for we were helping out friends. The Politics about vietnam. Its sad that many people dont know them. Yes there were reasons for vietnam. First, communist governments. We all know what kind of sticklers they are especially from world war II, and we all know what sitting on the side and doing nothing does right? It seems no one learns from history. And yes, the Viet-Cong was being backed by Russian and China communist gov, so it was really a battle not just between US and Vietnam, but between democracy and communist governments. LOL and American fanaticism. Look at the billions and billions of dollars we give in aid to so many countries. Thats help is it not? Sure its spent in the wrong ways sometimes, but thats correctable. The truth is no one will ever change their views. Not you or I nor anyone else despite clear evidence. The only thing we can do is try to make the best choices when they come up and try to live the best lives we can, because no of this #### matters anyway. Its either going up or going down. Personally I'd rather go up. And I hope you go up too Qui. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 All I have to say is that if you are in AMerica, and you don't want to be, get out! And another thing- Canada is the best place to live. You don't beleive me, go live there for a while. Everyone is nice and there is no war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 You guys just in a pissing contest or are you going to actually debate this. I partially agree with both of you. The US gets involved in WAY too much crap that isn't our biz. The problem with Isreal is that WE helpped start the damn thing in the first place, so politically we can't just pull out, but we also can't just Force an agreement as there is a big jewish vote in the States (and most Jews feel that Isreal is "in the right", period.). Yes, the Palestinians DID attack Isreal and Isreal DID defend itself, but the Isreallies have been brutal in their occupation and the whole thing happened 50 years ago! Both sides need to back WAY the hell off and talk things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Vietnam....as you put it, yet another of America's crusade to right other people's "wrongs". Us vs. the rest. And I do know the politics behind Vietnam! I do know about the Domino-theory. It's in our curriculum, you know. you know, I do see parallells between the recent Iraq thing and Vietnam. US rising to battle something that isn't really wrong. Why couldn't the poor Vietnamese have Communist government? You don't even know what communism IS, do you? Explain it for me, so that I may correct you later, please! The ideals of communism in it self is good. The ideals are GOOD! Not Satan's Evil. The problem is that the way communism was "practiced" so to speak, was lacking, and didn't lead to so many good things all the time. But there were good things as well, never doubt it. The thing is, Stalin's way wasn't genuine communism, he twisted it, and gave communism it's bad reputation. Stalin was a horrible head of state, and it lead to MUCH suffering for the russians. Many people, and almost every American has no clue of what the communist-ideals are about. Now Jabba-who-knows-all, explain the ideals for me. I'm waiting patiently. Now I'll probably be flamed for being from a "damn socialist country" or something. That only supports my statement that you are indoctrinated with the idea that your system is the best. Period. And you have to make everyone live like yourself. that isn't democracy, it's dictatorship. And communism does NOT equal dictatorship. I hope I made my point clear. The fact that another nation uses another system, doesn't make it evil, and doesn't dictate that US moves in to force their own system down people's throats. That's not freedom. "Halls of justice painted green, money talking.. power wolves beset your door, hear them stalking soon you'll please their appetite, they devour hammer of 'Justice' crushes you overpower" -Metallica "...And Justice For All" you said: "Jesus guys you are listening to your brainwashed parents a little too much at the dinner table." Quite the contrary...you are brainwashed with your American superiority...we all know it. Why should you do battle to the Communists? Did it bother you that they had a different system than you, and were pleased with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Communism is as qui said ... a BRILLIANT system .... its just prone to people taking advantage of it (this is what i understand happened in russia) but ill let jabba explain y its evil id like to see him try .... cos quite simply ... it isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 what had communism to do with the world wars? Nothing! At-All! Germany was a terrifying dictatorship at both times! And we Europeans are truly, greatly appreciative of the help of the US. It's just too bad that this gave them appetite for war, and now use every chance to throw themselves into a conflict with their weapons drawn! Rereading my post, I overdid it...Weapons of mass destruction is of course wrong. But there's nothing to say that they are going to use it, is it? Is the US the only country where one can make rocket shields and defenses without getting assaulted? Seems unfair, and people should be given the benifit of doubt. Maybe tempered with some caution. Just don't make oyur disagreement with communism the battle of heaven and hell. It's not. Read some of the points of my earlier post. PS: I try to live a good life, and be a good person. What Bush is doing in the middle east isn't good...and i expect to go up as you phrase it. And I hope to see you there when the time comes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Well, I'm off to bed guys. Work tomorrow...I'm looking forward to continuing the discussion tomorrow! see you all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 We are argueing over Vietnam in a JKII.net forum about Israel and the US. So the U.S. didn't want communists to rule over southeast asia. BTW I didn't mean WWII communists I meant to say post WII. Let me ask you something. Would you mind your nation being communist if it were to change today? Sure it means well, but so does Islam. We dont go blasting in every situation possible too, or we would be in a lot of wars currently. And why do people think we fight for the sake of fighting? Is it because we always have won? Why is it? All of our fights are backed correctly pollitically, mabe people outside of our country may not understand because they are not familiar with policy. Hell, who cares though? BTW I'm don't consider myself brainwashed. I'm not one of those people who love america because we can blow #### up. I am familiar with the facts. Vietnam had bad leadership and somewhat bad backing, but we've changed since then and thats good. We now use military force only as a last resort. This thought that America is the neighborhood mob is absurd. We wouldn't be giving foreign aid if that were the case would we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by Mafia_Jabba And why do people think we fight for the sake of fighting? Is it because we always have won? Why is it? All of our fights are backed correctly pollitically, mabe people outside of our country may not understand because they are not familiar with policy. Hell, who cares though? Let's see at the outcome of the wars the US have been in. First war "Freedom" fight somewhere in the 1700s: Because some people who wanted cheaper tea a war for so called "freedom" began. At first the americans were slaughtered, but then the french came in to the war, fighting the brittish. The french really didn't care about US they just hated the brittish. So when the french won the war and got back to their homes, Americans thought they had won the war and celebrated the people who fled from the first battles for war heroes and everyone was so proud. Second war 1812: Some yankees blamed the english for bad weather, and was batteling against them again. This was really a loss, the brittish got control over washington and burned the white house, but then the brittish had to go home to fight against Napoleon (the french saves US again). US also attacked canada, but lost of course, and that loss is never in american history books. I know very little about WW1 WW2: After lost a whole bunch of ships to the Japanese, US decided to go to war again, the first thing they did was to create a mass destruction bomb wich they send to Japanese civillian cities and killed hundreds of thousands civillians. Then they looked eastwards against germany and saw that Hitler was fighting a losing battle agains russia and britain. They bombed a few german schools, and suddenly they were the heroes of the war, at least in their home country. Vietnam war: America don't like the new goverment of vietnam since they don't do it as US. Instead of leaving the viatnemese happy of their new goverment, the american suddenly starts to fight against them, using mass destruction weapons, killing millions of civillians and destroys much vegetation. And when the big bullys from US is losing, they go home and cries over their shattered pride, wich would soon rebuild. 2001\2002 war against so called "terrorism" When a couple of guys who dislikes US is taking some planes and chrushes WTS (this was tragic because of civillian losses, it would have been ok if they had taken a symbolic target like lady of liberty, then they would only chrush americas pride instead of civillian), then they pledge war against taliban, who is hiding in caves. When their planes cant find the taliban, they spend their bombs at civillian towns instead, saying it was accidents. By the way Qui-GONE Jinn, great posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightHawk420 Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Jews have spent almost they're entire history being abused by the rest of the world. America is one of the few countries that does not have a bad relations past with jews. Probably because a large part of the early boom of the last century was from jews... but anyway... jews have been persecuted for thousands of years, with probably the single largest "evil" thing being the holocaust. In nearly every way what troubles ailes them today is for the exact same reasons that existed 2000 years ago. The continual persecution of the jews. And by the same god damn people. They can call themselves palestinians but by far and large are neverthe less representative of most of the region. They all want Israel and it's people dead. Or at the very least would not be heartbroken by they're extermination. The BIG difference is that now Israel has a far more advanced military than all the nations that surround them, with maybe the exception of Egypt. Even furthermore they have a 800 pound gorilla watching they're back (US). In many ways this has set the stage for albeit unnatural pecking order. When it comes down to it, it's a 2000 year old seeded hatred of the people. And will NOT in the likely future go away whatsoever. Arabas will talk and talk and talk, but the bottom line is they want to put the jews out. They don't want peace, they don't even really give a rats ass about they're own state.... They just want to get what the jews got, and then rid themselves of the jews. The arabs already know they wil never win a militarily, so they are going to let they're population push them out through increase and bulk human expansion. Essentially some arabs move into a part of israel when they're reproduced sufficiently they declare that part of the country they're own. Israel kill em all and let Alla sort them out. WW3 is just around the corner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by KnightHawk420 Even furthermore they have a 800 pound gorilla watching they're back (US). Not bad to compare US with a gorilla: big, bully and not very smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 lol Qui Gonn your sense of American history is so majorly ####ed I can't even begin to explain it. It sounds as if you read a bunch of saturday night live skits and then just wrote them down in your own words and you believe that is history. LMAO. shut up man you haven't the slightest clue. God I could go on and on about your ####ed up version of the America Revolution, the War of 1812, World War II especially (where the hell did you get this information the city zoo???), and war on terror jesus. What the #### do you know about American military history you norweigian prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 It is the truth...seen from another point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 God if you believe that is the truth then you are in for a very miserable life of disappointment and dissatisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Bully, typical European attitude. So helping Europeans out in both world wars was being a bully. Trying to help Somalia not STARVE is being a bully. Liberating taliban oppression is being a bully? saving the whole damn world from the russians is a bully? You brainwashed ####. Not very smart, so being the strongest economy means we're dumb. Being on the latest technological breakthroughs is dumb. Hmmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitdog Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 My friend. Israel is NOT a democracy but a Socialist Country. Socialism = ? United Soviet Socialist Republic God Bless the servicemen that were onboard the U.S.S. Liberty http://www.ussliberty.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 hey hey .... u know u call Sadam Hussain evil y? Hes got "weapons of mass destruction" .... so has america hes attack countries unprovoked ... so does america i thought of a few more earlier ... but u can see the point and u cripled russia ... thats not nice is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Clem do you think at all about anything when u post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 y should i? u dont u just spool out american bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 My post was really meant half joke, half not. You must be quite stupid not to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 lol ok it seems that you obviously dont know jack ####...so why bother anymore -its pretty hard to realize it when reading, smart ass, and not hearing something called a tone of voice. Try thinking a bit, it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by Mafia_Jabba saving the whole damn world from the russians is a bully? You brainwashed ####. Saving the world from russians?? LMAO! What have russians ever done against the world? And watch your language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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