Bluedaze Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 I do not intend to have a conversation with you about whatever message it was you were trying to express in your post Don't play dumb, while I know my messages aren't overly important.....they are in plain friggin english (you know, that language we all agreed on?)and the subtext is as plain and simple as well. So it wasn't a theory as disregarded as you hype it up to be, in lamense terms.....shutup. so be happy and get on with your life.... I hardly think taking 20 minutes at the end of the night to watch people like you learning to talk....a life. Remember that paper bag theory you were talking about? Give 'er a try. And if I can lower your IQ.....that's a powerful gift Trust me man......dealing with you is not a gift, it's a burden. I can just imagine the two of you sitting in your computer chair, red eyes, sweating..... Gee that sounds familiar......did I just say something like that in my last message? Anyway, don't flatter yourself. Picture yourself in our shoes: You see hopeless, blatant stupidity in it's true form and natural habitat (internet). We are intrigued, so we go to take a closer look........We aren't arguing with you.....we are doing research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimII Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 I's an't be seeings the porblums wtih no usin teh crrekt gramur in teh interweb. It's not like you can't tell what the person is saying. lik me alwas saids if j00 haves to insult persons grammur yur josts flamering 4 teh sack of flamering. P.s. Joo pwned me icefox this afternoon...it was sad...ah well I hope to be b8r 2mario and oddly enough there was alot more jackasses on that server then usual. Hope to cya l8r! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedaze Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Yeah thanks man, that means a lot. Just as much as the phrase "I apologize for being so anal" (pertaining to the misuse of the language) means in the my message which is what you are referring to. It was a chief part of my previous reply to, so thanks for keeping the real subject at hand while at the same time keeping your reply worth reading, good job. P.S> SARCASM...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimII Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Wha? Was that directed at me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 I think a kick is great, but not the kick in JO. You need to have a REAL kick, like some kind of hook kick or something that leaves you wide open, just like the Spork/SBX/Ninja Kage mods for JK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosexual Ewok Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Originally posted by Canis_Aureus Ok 90% of you think kick is fine.... well so be it. But Ewoks contradiction... "kick is not a problem" vs "I am good at it and my hit% is 95% and I use it a lot" ... well that speaks for itself. In that post the only problem he mentions is selfinflicted damage... lol. So now it's a problem if someone practices and gets good at something? Dude, get a grip on reality, if a person practices something and invests time learning the best way to do it he should by all means get better at it, and in turn be rewarded with success. I do have an incredibly high success rate with kicks, but did I always? No. In the beginning I missed half the time or got drilled out of the air by a faster opponent. Guess what? I practiced and got better. This mentality is why I have about given up on both this game and it's "community". What I said was true. I can and do go "head to head" in kick fights against people when I have a ping of 100-150 and they are in the 20-30 range. Guess what? I rarely lose. Why? Because like the rail-only players in Quake 3, you learn to compensate for latency by altering/leading/predicting your moves and their respective timing. This is not something you can do with a script. It takes practice. But oh no, can't get too good at one thing, that makes me a whore/Spammer. Can't use Force in Full Force duels, because my opponent thinks it's gay. Can't throw a saber at my opponent because that's cheap. Can't do a lunge because it's so damn difficult for my opponent to avoid a straight-on attack. If you lose it could never, ever be because your opponent was better, it was only due to the excessive/gay/lame/Spam the "n00b" was using. Screw it; I'm wasting my time trying to explain sportsmanship to a bunch of damn crybabies. /edit That was a little harsh; there are a lot of decent people in the JK2 community. It's just gotten to the point where finding an opponent (better or not) that does not flame and whine every time they lose is like finding a cheat free Counter-Strike server where no one spells their name L1K3 tH1S. Pretty damn rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 6, 2002 Author Share Posted August 6, 2002 IceFox and BlueDaze ... the two of you are just trolls. Disecting my little post like that just to keep up your lame flaming... pathetic. And you bluedaze wasting your time with me when it's a burden... even more so. I might be in need of many things according to you... but you have quite a few personality problems I can imagine... and a nice long chat with your dad about these might help. Please just begone... what the two of you are doing is no different that trying to keep a fire going on a pile of rocks. IceFox I do know what a figure of speech and there is nothing wrong with my sarcasm... it seems to be you who have a hard time understand the concept of the two. Your are just like a pair of kids begging for candy... but p*ss off... daddy is not going to give you any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 6, 2002 Author Share Posted August 6, 2002 Ewok I didn't call you a whore, I only use that term when talking about some ladies on a certain street in my town. I did get your point. My own view on the matter is that whenever I duel I follow my opponents rules mostly. If they want to use forces I will go along with that because it is part of the game, but if they prefer without it's just great. But I prefer FFA duel because there the rules are just how I like them... even kicking damage is gone. FFA duels is by far the best fights IMO. I posted because I learned to kick in 20 minutes. People gave up on sabering me and started kicking back to kill me... I killed people I know is better than me using kick only. But kick is in the game and as I said earlier... there has been presented a few things here by people which I am trying out to see if I can work on my defences against kicking. We don't have to agree on this matter you know. In my world it is quite alright for two people to disagree and still get along. I thank you for that post... it was a gust of fresh air through this ill smelling thread (no sarcasm, I mean it... your post was serious and had a point - I appreciate that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosexual Ewok Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Relax Canis_Aureus I'm not trying to jump you, I am just becoming very annoyed at the lack of respect people show each other in this game. By respect I don't mean some silly bow gesture, or a refrain from racial slurs and the overall obnoxious behavior found in other games. What I mean is the almost non existent concept of admitting someone is better/playing smarter than you ("you" as in the person who lost, not "you" as in Canis_Aureus) when you lose. People tend to forget this little concept called "play style". Not everyone plays the same. If my opponent based his entire offense around one move, so what? That's his play style. He's not hacking/cheating. He is playing fair. If I can't stop that one move, why is it his fault instead of mine? Nothing and I mean nothing, in this game is, or ever was "unstoppable". Anything he can do, I can do. Yeah you may have learned to kick in 20 minutes, but any move can be learned in 20 minutes. It takes a lot longer to master something. Yeah you may have felt unstoppable against those guys, but play a few rounds with me and I will show you a whole new meaning to the phrase "The Mighty Foot" (Had to throw a Duke Nukem reference in, sorry). If a person is better than me, I have no problem admitting it. I was tossed off (err, not in that way) ledges in v1.02, and just like everyone else who was new at the time, I got frustrated. But when I first came here I politely asked the members of this forum for some pointers on ways to counter Grip. Needless to say, the responses were kind and very helpful and I paid attention and learned from their experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 I'd like to re-iterate the two funniest lines of the week. From icefox98 we have-- ...a road scholar,... Awesome!!! I started choking I was laughing so hard! Then next one from Bluedaze--- ...in lamense terms... I'm pretty sure I ruptured some internal organs from laughing at that one. Or just from the fact that I knew what he meant. Ok, while I probaly am the only one who honestly gets a laugh out of those, I really want to point out to you two how much you lit up my day. Oh, and also point out that the former quote came from the same guy who said this--- I don't want my IQ lowered yet again from gazing upon such crap as your previous posts. While regaling us with his immaculate dissertations. And the latter quote came from the same place this one did-- It's bad enough I have to read from you in your own twisted version of english. To sum it up, attacking someones mediocre grammar and writing skills to sabotage their argument is good style, legitimate tactic to use in a message board discussion if you ask me. But for christs sake, you better do it with a Merriam-Webster next to the keyboard! 'Cause you really do lose points for pointing out someones bad writing, when you spell something so poorly, it betrays the fact that you do not understand the word you are using! That is all, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 6, 2002 Author Share Posted August 6, 2002 Well Ewok I don't mind loosing either... I enjoy a challenge even if it means I loose 9/10 times. I do agree with you about the disrespect in this thread. My first post might have been provoking, but there were no personal attacks involved. You point out that you think I am wrong in a decent manner... unlike others here and I truly respect that. When people jump me like some did here I can't just sit back and laugh at their misplaced anger, even though I know doing so would be the best way to get rid of them. It would be a pleasure to play against you I am sure, so what server do you play on? I have been playing the game since it got out so have seen all the patches and the one thing that always annoyed me was the frontal kick. It's not just noobish frustration... I really dislike that move and it is based on a great deal of experience. It's not because people kill me with the kick I dislike it... it's mostly because I hate the way it disrupts a good fight. But I respect your view and wouldn't mind if you could show me a few tricks to defend against kicking. Stay happy everyone now. I meant no harm to anyone. If kids, animals or women were injured durring this thread it was unintentional, but I assure you - no one was harmed durring the making of the first post. ******* This is not really adressed to anyone in particular Oh and about grammar... I do my best. I never try to hurt people by spelling wrong or using bad grammar. I speak and write three languages fairly well... danish, english and german and then a bit of latin, but I can't really communicate very fluently in that language without looking up some words. I know lots of people flame others for not using proper english... but many times these persons speak only one language themselves. I study philosophy and psychology at the university and my intellectual abilities are quite fine thanks. But conveying my messages, humor, sarcasm and whatever points I might have can perhaps fail at times or come off as put on the edge... because I am communicating in a second language. Having a heated argument where people get personal is quite a challenge too... I have to fight with a somewhat dull blade and at the same time waste my time really. The point of this is that people who were born in an english speaking country should remember that not everyone is. We communicate as well as we can and when you read our posts please try to concentrate on the contents rather than the written expression. If you do that we will be able to comminicate like adults even though misunderstandings might occur. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalloutGod Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Well i dunno if it anyone said this yet because i didnt feel like everyones posts cause frankly...you people type too much. Anyway why dont you use protect when someones goona kick you. It only does about 5 damage per kick and it barely takes any force... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 kick does 5 damage with protect... hmmm well I'll try that out. Of course it means changin my points around on Knight servers.... but it might work. Thanks for that advice, I have never really used protect much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I tried reading all of that, and my eyes got tired. But one thing I noticed popping up a lot in Canis's posts was this: Most people here who kick are using scripts. I take offense at that, and I'm sure there are others as well. I practiced my kicking just like Ewok, and now there are few who can take me on. Just earlier today, I lost my sabre on Jedi Mod 3, and I took down three opponents with my feet alone. No scripts. But from the way you put it, you would just assume that I was using a script. Not cool, dude. Some of us practice and work at a move. Ewok put it better than I did. I dont script. And not nearly as many people script as you think do. You may take my claims of innocence as trying to cover my using scripts, but all that shows is that you cant grasp the concept that someone can use a technique better than you and not be cheating. Hell, man, you just made the problem worse by posting exactly how to do the script. The majority of casual JK2 players barely know about scripts, much less know how to begin to make one. You just gave them a nice, easy tool. Congratulations, you shot yourself in the foot. Feel better? ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Also, I dont quite understand what you mean by "It disrupts a good fight." It hits your opponent, does some damage, and possibly knocks them over, thereby giving you an opening to strike. How does that disrupt the fight? Sounds like good tactics to me. (and you usually only have time to get a blue or yellow swing in. Red is very hard to get, so there arent many one hit kills) ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 Shock. It is not hard seeing if someone is using the kick script unless he puts in more waits after the first kick and then the script really isn't that useful. You can see it clearly when he misses you If you aren't using scripts I'll take your word for that... I won't even try to argue against that... how could I even if I wanted to . And if I see someone on a server and they are behaving nicely but I see they use scripts... I'll keep quiet, but I'll know. I have told some people once in a while when they were being asses and calling everyone noobs, but it's a waste of my time to accuse someone of using scripts and cheats and I really never bother doing so. Your statement about not nearly as many using scripts as I say... well it's a personal oppinion just as mine is. There is no way you can know this and that is exactly what the cheaters/scripters enjoy so much. Therefore there is no reason for us to discuss the number of players using scripts, because neither of us can provide any proof... it will have to remain a matter of belief. You said that I made the problem worse by posting that script because the majority of players don't know about it. Well IMO the problem is that just a few people know about them and this allows them to have an edge. We might as well all be equal and it will be a matter of choice wether you use a script rather than not being able to find it. And I know that people like you get another feeling from not using scripts, because when you beat someone you know it was pure skill. I just hope more players would find pleasure in this feeling rather than the feeling of 0wnage. I don't thinks scripts and cheats should be hidden... put them out in the open so everyone can use them and know what to look for when people use them, but you don't have to agre with me . Another fact is that I read on these board all the time how scripts won't help you and that a skilled player can take on someone with scripts without it being a problem. Still I get flames here for posting a script, even though the majority of players say scripts are useless... that is worth pondering about also. I think kicks disrupt a fight because you cannot parry them. Moving our of the way is hard because the kick is faster to execute than even the blue attack. If someone uses kick only you can stay clear of him of course, but is he uses it whenever you charge in to attack it is really annoying. Kicks are just too risk free, a free 20 damage on your opponent. The best and most effective tactic against a kicker is kicking him back and hope that you are better at it than him. But kicking is part of the game and in all games there will be weapons or tricks that work like this (the M4 in SOF2 has been mentioned several times as being a problem). We don't have to agree, but it is my oppinion that saber fights would be a lot more fun if the frontal kick was removed or something was done about it. The "Jedistyles" mod is working on doing something about the kick. They removed the sideways kicks though and made the front kick a bit harder to use and I do not really agree with removing the sideways kick because that actually makes sense when fighting multiple opponents and can't be abused like the as easily as the front kick (you have to have your side to the opponent and that makes you vulnerable to an attack). I look forward to seeing what they do about kicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalStrike Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 You suggest this to "fix" kick abuse Originally posted by Canis_Aureus I suggest something like this - Remove kick damage or - Remove frontal kick or - Make the kicker vulnerable for a while like other attacks or a combination of the above Why not just weaken this... Originally posted by Canis_Aureus - People can hardly hit you because your defences are working at 100% Thus kickers will be subject to risk again as they used to be. But instead you prefer to destroy yet another move in this already simplified version. You and people like you are the reason this game continues to lose players. Yet you still wish to simplify the game to swings and blocks and nothing else. Well I gave up fighting you people already so please e-mail your stupid suggestion to Raven and kill the game once and for all. Maybe more people will buy warcraft 3 and Raven will finally learn not to listen to whiners. Sorry for being so harsh but I really liked this game and ideas like yours killed it for me and MANY other players. You deserve to be flamed. Fatal out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icefox98 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Canis. Give me the IP of a duel server that you play on a lot. I really, really would like to duel you. My 'online' name is Rosco: The Prince Of Space by the way. Send me the IP, pleeeeeeeease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 Sure IceFox I always like a good duel. So if you're any good it will be fun and if you're better than me I'll really enjoy it... nothing beats a good challenge. I play in FFA server Gamesdomain and that is where I duel... FFA duels are the the best. Here's the IP of the server I almost always play on, but let me know a time and we can meet there. Gamesdomain.co.uk - free for all (01)(sabre/forces only) 213.221.165.16:28070 ********** FatalStrike there are lots of people who like 1.04. Exploits were fixed and the game is just more fun now IMO. Always remember that when people have oppinions it might not always be the same as yours... no need to get all wound up because of that And as for your post being harsh... well no worries it won't make me loose any sleep ... The perfect game would be one we all liked and couldn't find a single problem... but there will always be something you don't like in a game and that is different from person to person. And saying that people like me ruined the game... well excuse me but that is just one of the most naive comments I have heard in quite a while... please give Raven a bit more credit than that. Anyways ... stay happy and try to look on the bright side of life and JK2 gaming ... Even though I dislike kicking a lot I still enjoy the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalStrike Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 I tried reading all of that, and my eyes got tired. But one thing I noticed popping up a lot in Canis's posts was this: Most people here who kick are using scripts. I take offense at that, and I'm sure there are others as well. I practiced my kicking just like Ewok, and now there are few who can take me on. Just earlier today, I lost my sabre on Jedi Mod 3, and I took down three opponents with my feet alone. No scripts. ShockV1.89 I hate to say things like this but... From the first whiners that lead to the first Patch I have noticed a trend. If they can't beat you, then you must be cheating, or it must be a bug in the game. Anything they fail to defend is NEVER their fault, its always something out of their control that is causing them to lose. This is no different. First post: kicking is a bug, then most kickers are cheating. When it all boils down basically he is getting killed by skilled kickers and hasn't been able to learn counters yet. I hate flaming people but there is no point to point out facts, I have tried that and it doesn't work. They will never understand that IT IS THEIR FAULT that they are losing, not the games, or a script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalStrike Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Originally posted by Canis_Aureus FatalStrike there are lots of people who like 1.04. Exploits were fixed and the game is just more fun now IMO. Always remember that when people have oppinions it might not always be the same as yours... no need to get all wound up because of that And as for your post being harsh... well no worries it won't make me loose any sleep ... The perfect game would be one we all liked and couldn't find a single problem... but there will always be something you don't like in a game and that is different from person to person. And saying that people like me ruined the game... well excuse me but that is just one of the most naive comments I have heard in quite a while... please give Raven a bit more credit than that. Anyways ... stay happy and try to look on the bright side of life and JK2 gaming ... Even though I dislike kicking a lot I still enjoy the game Fact: People began to whine about DFA and Heavy stance. Raven response: DFA nerfed. Heavy Stance slows your feet much more then before. Fact: Whiners said Jedi shouldn't die so fast. Raven Response: Weaker sabers, ultra blocking Fact: Over use of Back stab was widely griped about (because of nerfing done to 1.02 in the first place) Raven: Nerfed it Fact: People are complaining about Kicks and Blue stance lunge What will happen: Kicks will be nerfed as will blue stance lunge Result: Saber battles will be swings and blocks, no use of any other moves against players with any skill. Special moves will result in death. So please do not tell me that I need to give Raven more credit, they lost that when they destroyed a game based on the complaints of inexperienced players. If you think threads like yours don't make a difference you are an ignorant fool. You will know what I mean when you become very good and lesser players whine about something you like to do. Once its removed you will understand what I mean. The game is nothing more then blocks and swings, nothing special. Nothing Different. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 8, 2002 Author Share Posted August 8, 2002 Today I won three games in a row on the server... was quite ahead of the others, but I don't mind loosing. Even if I should finish last I would still have lots of fun. I am not complaining about kicking because I loose... just because I don't find the gameplay it creates as fun. And someone earlier already asked if I were accusing him of using scripts... I answered him. Go read that and you will know that I don't think good players are cheating or using scripts. Even if I can see they are I won't flame them for it. It is their choice - I just think the game is more fun without scripts... but trying to lecture somone on the matter would be a waste of my time. I would rather use that time just playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Aureus Posted August 8, 2002 Author Share Posted August 8, 2002 I respect your fantastic view on matters FatalStrike... I just don't share it. Let that end the discussion because we will not agree anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosexual Ewok Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Want to know the real easy way to tell if a person is scripting a kick? Seriously, no bull. To execute a kick most people think that you must be pushing up against a person, wall, or some other large object that would restrict your forward movement. Not true. Go the duel map with the shuttle in the middle. See the little ramps that lead up to the platform directly in front of the shuttle's nose? Start walking towards the ramp, as soon as the ground changes from flat to a small incline try to kick off it. Chances are it didn't work; you just hopped up the ramp. Now go back and do it with a script. You flip kick off the tiny little change from flat ground to an inclined surface every time. From time to time you will see people do flip kicks in "mid-air" when no one is around or even if they miss their opponent. Pay attention to the ground below them, there will be a change of terrain right under where they did the kick; even a small almost unnoticeable one will do it. I'm not saying it can't be done manually, it can. But it is not something you are going to see a person do three times in a row in the middle of a fight unless they stop what they are doing and focus on that one task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthCobra Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 What a long lame thread. To all these ppl using kick scripts you guys are sooo gay. Braggin about how good you are with your kick script. how ****in lame. Kicking is easy to avoid ... get outta the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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