Taos Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Yes, exactly RatmJedi....I like all of these ideas as well. Some of the ppl on these boards are pretty creative with their thinking and others well....... I always like to hear different stories and different points of view to see which one is best. That's part of why I joined these message boards in the first place...... I like to hear about peoples ideas, it's fun to see and hear about what ppl come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Yah I was afraid when I first joined but now I'm not afraid of them. There just a bunch of guys like me. With some girls too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Originally posted by Dragonlancer I have a thought. I' pretty sure no one ever thought of this before. I think that sifo dias (spelling?) was a real jedi. I think he had a jedi vision of the future. He saw what the trade federation was planning and he also realized that the jedi's ability to use the force was dissipating. He ordered the clone army because he knew that the jedi wouldn't be enough to defeat them. He didn't realize the sidious/palpatine was behind it due to the sith's ability to block the jedi's force capabilities. just an idea. critique is welcome. Possible, perhaps, but from the movie I get the impression that Obi-wan had a problem with the idea of Sifo-Dyas ordering the army because he thought S.D.'s death occured before the order to create the army was made... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracofyre Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin. #1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1 #2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Dracofyre All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin. #1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1 #2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi. You suggesting he IS Sifo-Dyas or he posed as Sifo-Dyas? Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 i think dooku erased the archived, left the council and posted the clone prder by the name of dias. he then tricked the trade federation for makin the giant droid army. but 1 question comes to mind: why didnt we see him in ep1? i mean, we saw sidious but no dooku. or was that just because it only was a hologram of sidious? so it could be dooku was there, but we didnt saw him. what do u guys think about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Actually I heard the rumor that ILM was working on a new version of the TPM DVD where Dooku would be digitally added to the 'Qui-Gon funeral' scene where he walks of angry at the Jedi and says something the likes of 'This is the last straw.' (Off course this would conflict some with what he tells Obi-Wan. Since during the interogation scene in AOTC it seems as he and Obi-Wan had never met before.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlancer Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Everyone who replied to my idea: here's a few answeres. We all know that sidious turns anakin to the dark side. I think he went behind anakins back and tried to have padme assassinated by jango fett. Who, in turn, hired zam wessel (spelling). hence, driving him mad and turning him to the dark side. He hates the jedi, because sidious tells him that it was all the jedis doing. Dooku knows about fett because sidious and dooku work together. Kryllith: that's interesting but what about this. he had the vision and ordered the army BEFORE he died. lol. no offense though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Dracofyre All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin. #1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1 #2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi. Nope....that just isn't how it ges my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Dracofyre All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin. #1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1 #2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi. Nope....that just isn't how it goes my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Dragonlancer Everyone who replied to my idea: here's a few answeres. We all know that sidious turns anakin to the dark side. I think he went behind anakins back and tried to have padme assassinated by jango fett. Who, in turn, hired zam wessel (spelling). hence, driving him mad and turning him to the dark side. He hates the jedi, because sidious tells him that it was all the jedis doing. Dooku knows about fett because sidious and dooku work together. Kryllith: that's interesting but what about this. he had the vision and ordered the army BEFORE he died. lol. no offense though Ummm, i'm pretty sure that it was either Dooku as per the wishes of nute gunray, or nute gunray himself. First of all, we know that Jango is working with Dooku and the separatists, because he was with them on Kamino. We also know that Gunray is trying to get amidala dead, because he tells Dooku on Geonosis that he won't sign anything until her head is on his desk. And then after Obi, Anakin, and amidala look like they're going to escape Nute says "This isn't how it's supposed to be, Jango, Shoot her, or, something." Also, it makes more sense for Dooku to want her dead because she leads the opposition of creating an army of the republic, and we know that Dooku wants the republic to get an army, because Sideous wants him to start a big war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Dragonlancer Kryllith: that's interesting but what about this. he had the vision and ordered the army BEFORE he died. lol. no offense though But that's exactly my point. From what Obiwan appears to have picked up from both what he knows of the time of Sifo-Dyas's death and the time of the placement of the order, the order was placed AFTER Sifo-Dyas died. At least, that's one of the things he focuses on when talking to Yoda and Windu... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlancer Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Yo kryllith, I think you might be right. I think my idea still makes sense but you might be right. ET Warrior: yeah that's true, but you'll notice that jango doesn't move when nute tells him to shoot her. He does what dooku says and doesn't shoot her. I think dooku and sidious work together, therefore jango works for both of them. But then it could just as well have been dooku. I mean, sidious could have said "eh yo wattup Tyrrannus, see if you can have dat padme assassinated" lol Like I said though, it's all just an idea I had. It could just as well be wrong as any of the ideas *whispers*"but it's not" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 True, but it's fairly obvious that Jango is working for Dooku, and it makes a lot of sense for Dooku to have hired jango to kill padme because nute gunray wouldn't add the trade federations forces to the seperatists unless she was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Ratmjedi I don't know why people keep thinking that Palpatine and Sidiouse are diffrent people. There is so much evidence telling us that he is. Like in THP at Qui-Gon's ceramony we see Mace and Yoda talking about the Sith and then we see the camera on Palpatine. I mean the face looks the same. It's not coincidence that GL did that. And why would Palpatine say we will watch youre career very closely young Anakin. He's a Sith for God sakes. Do you want george to put a carboard sign around his neck saying that he's Sidiouse? YOU HAVE TO READ IN BETWEEN THE LINES!!!!!!!!!! On starwars.com it says that palpy is 173 cm and Sid 178 cm. Since the same guy cant be different heights IT SAYS ON STARWANS.COM THAT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!!! HAH!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlancer Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 I got to hand it to you qui-gon, you got me. I still think they're the same but that's pretty interesting. finally someone who does their research before blabbing about stuff they don't know anything about. (btw, I didn't present my idea as fact, unlike some people. so don't throw that in my face after this post.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 As Jedi Monk said, George Lucas himself said that sidious and palpatine are the same person. He said it! Watch the episode 1 documentaries, i'm not sure which one it is, but he sais that palpatine was first introduced in the OT via hologram so he wanted to do the same for him in the PT. Several possibilties for the height difference on starwars.com 1.) Simple typo that nobody has pointed out to the staff 2.) Intentional typo to throw off people who weren't smart enough to figure it out themselves 3.) they are figuring the hood of his cloak into the measurements, which could make a difference of 5 centimeters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlancer Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Yeah the third one was the first thing that occured to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 What about like somebody said in another post. He might of been wearing boots that make him bigger. Or he might of grown because people are always growing. He might of had a growth spur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlancer Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 oh yeah, that's real likely for a bazillion year old human man to have a growth spurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticSpade Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Admiral Vostok FACT 3: Although this "fact" is debatable, I strongly believe Sifo-Dyas will not be a new character whom we have not yet seen. That would render this whole debate worthless and it was obviously meant to be heavily debated by fans. Therefore, my prime suspect is DARTH MAUL. Here is other evidence to support my theory: - I've always wondered why they claimed Darth MAul's body-pattern was a tattoo and not his natural skin. Looking at the Jedi Shaak Ti in AOTC, it is evident that Aliens could have brilliant and complex patterns all over their body. Since Darth Maul is an Alien (as evidenced by his horns), why not just make the red and black his natural skin pattern? It would make more sense if the tattoos were a way to hide his features. That way the Jedi would not recognise him as Sifo-Dyas. - I believe Sifo-Dyas faked his death before TPM is set. This was because he had turned to the Dark Side under Darth Sidious. Faking his death allowed him to leave the order and not fall under suspition like Count Dooku. He then changed his name to the Sith name of Darth Maul, and was really killed by Qui-Gon Jinn. So, now you've gotten to the end of my essay, what do you think? ok first off i u read the EU book about Darth Maul you'd know that he was a Sith since born you are not given the title "Darth" unless born in Sith ways or an exceptional turnover. The book is called "DARTH MAUL SHADOW HUNTER" if you REALLY believe that Darth Maul is this character I suggest you read the book. U r not the first person who thinks this. So far on my count you are about the 10th who believes this. AND Zabraks are born with those types of makrings on their bodies i got that from the DATABANKS at http://www.starwars.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticSpade Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Dracofyre All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin. #1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1 #2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi. you should've payed attention to the movie it says and i quote that he died 8 YEARS PRIOR to the events of Ep2 TPM took place 10 YEARS before the events of Ep2. He didn't fade away cuz he didn't give himslef fully to the force. Obi in ANH focused then gave himself to the FORCE before vader struck him. Yoda fully gave himslef to the FORCE when he layed to die. Qui-Gon was a bit busy when he died don't u think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted August 25, 2002 Share Posted August 25, 2002 Actually, it's in the audio commentary on the SW1DVD. Lucas says, paraphrasing, that he wanted to introduce Sidious in the same way he was introduced in the original trillogy (ESB), namely, as a hologram. It's not hard to find, if you have the SW1DVD. Just go to Options, switch on the audio commentary and fast forward to the first time the Niemoidians contact Sidious (while the Jedi are waiting for the Viceroy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted August 25, 2002 Share Posted August 25, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior 3.) they are figuring the hood of his cloak into the measurements, which could make a difference of 5 centimeters Lol, Sidious digs platform shoes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted August 25, 2002 Share Posted August 25, 2002 I know this is Eu but what if Palpatine gets cloaned and the clone is taller? It can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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