Camus Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Knight yeah i hope this thread stays up to, i just hate when people take it to far, being to patriotic and such lol I like that sign... Yeah I know what you mean by that... I dont like it when people come in and start looking at just one side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 I only have on thing to say at this point:- KYOTO TREATY Thankyou America for putting yourselves and not the 'HUMAN RACE' first:rolleyes: To sum up greed is a word i would associate with the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 I'm not even reading these posts, they are to long.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Jah Warrior I only have on thing to say at this point:- KYOTO TREATY Thankyou America for putting yourselves and not the 'HUMAN RACE' first:rolleyes: To sum up greed is a word i would associate with the US. ... Care to articulate on what you mean by that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Camus ... Care to articulate on what you mean by that??? Sweet Jesus you've not heard of the Kyoto Treaty?!?!?! It is a treaty that was proposed to help reduce pollution and thus prevent climatic change that is already being seen in parts of the world. America produces approximately 25% of the worlds pollution which is an inordinate ammount in comparison global population. America was the only country to reject this treaty which would make every other countries efforts to control pollution futile. Now America's main beef with the treaty is that the reductions in power consumption would damage Americas economy. Well folks when our children and our grandchildren find themselves having to slip back into the dark ages because A:- there is no natural resources left and B:- The world is uninhabitable due to the toxins and filth in the air we all know who we can blame. Nobody is pretending that it will be easy to clean up OUR planet but sacrifices are necessary to implement change for the better. To me the fact that americans want to burn around in fuel hungry SUV's and decimate our natural resources is not a good enough reason to renege on this treaty. Petrol is sooo cheap in the states that there is no incentive to try to be economical. I'll add more when i have researched further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Jah Warrior Sweet Jesus you've not heard of the Kyoto Treaty?!?!?! It is a treaty that was proposed to help reduce pollution and thus prevent climatic change that is already being seen in parts of the world. America produces approximately 25% of the worlds pollution which is an inordinate ammount in comparison global population. America was the only country to reject this treaty which would make every other countries efforts to control pollution futile. Now America's main beef with the treaty is that the reductions in power consumption would damage Americas economy. Well folks when our children and our grandchildren find themselves having to slip back into the dark ages because A:- there is no natural resources left and B:- The world is uninhabitable due to the toxins and filth in the air we all know who we can blame. Nobody is pretending that it will be easy to clean up OUR planet but sacrifices are necessary to implement change for the better. To me the fact that americans want to burn around in fuel hungry SUV's and decimate our natural resources is not a good enough reason to renege on this treaty. Petrol is sooo cheap in the states that there is no incentive to try to be economical. I'll add more when i have researched further... ... Okay... So... Your dissing everyone in the USA thats a tree hunger all the way down to the people that cant afford to buy petrolium vehicels??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[RAA]-=Chi3f=- Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 USAs 3 greatest mistakes: 1. Nuclear bombs in Japan 1945, hundreds of thousands die because US wants to check how effective it is. 2. Vietnam war 3. W. Bush as president. Did I just read that?! Rediculous! . Ask a REAL vet what Vietnam was, like my father. Ask a REAL vet what WW2 was, like my Grand-father. Watch what you say before you say it! You have no idea what the REAL world is like. This thread changes nothing. This thread has no purpose Debate all you want. Some of you are well informed while others aren't. Some of you have strong opinions while others base their arguments on facts. It's all the same. I'm not going to waste my time stating the facts only to have a mis-informed person flame it. Pointless. This thread changes nothing. This thread has no purpose Don't judge me by where I live. I was born, raised, and proud to be an American citizen. Nothing you say will ever change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Ummm...your wrong about the nuke dude... Attacking small islands like Iwo Jima and Guatacanal was hard enough, try attacking mainland Japan? Hard? They will fight to the death...plus the war was far from over. Kamakazies, planes and subs, U.S.S. Indianapolis??? Ring any bells... They didn't even surrender after the first ATOM bomb btw, not nuke, a nuke is different....um...you are wrong about the atom bomb...it saved american lives....so we destroyed civilians, that's what war is...I mean that's the only way the war would have ended...the civilians were part of that war, if not they would have revolted their government. Sorry but I'm corret I believe. The ah....pollution thing...you guys cannot afford our economy to suffer...there is a saying, if the U.S. Economy sneezes, the rest of the world gets a cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Camus ... Okay... So... Your dissing everyone in the USA thats a tree hunger all the way down to the people that cant afford to buy petrolium vehicels??? what in the name of god does that mean camus, it makes no sense at least in 'ENGLISH' I am not dissing american people just their comedy government you fish! I mean you guys voted in GWBush, believe me he wouldnt get elected to sweep streets in the UK. Well at least it shows that anyone is able to become president even those without two braincells to rub together :- GWBush, Ronald Reagan the list goes on... On the flip side, Clinton was actually pretty cool, who cares if he got his knob sucked by a fat girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Mafia_Jabba The ah....pollution thing...you guys cannot afford our economy to suffer...there is a saying, if the U.S. Economy sneezes, the rest of the world gets a cold. LOL US economy is in recession, erm hat to mention it, but the UK economy is actually growing at present, we have less unemployment than in the last 20 years and with the Labour party in power we will probably do just fine. Another point i want to make here:- Please dont go banging on about US winning WW2 remeber everyone else fought it twice as long. America didnt give a toss about what was going on until they got attacked themselves. Selfish YET AGAIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Knight Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 jah you are very misinformed, why is George Bush so bad? ok he can't talk but hey, i can't either SELFISH WHAT?!?!?!?!? Why we had no buisiness inthe war till then, how can you call us slefish, we give millions of dollars to foreign countires, millions, also about the unemployment, we have a lot more people so i don't think you can really compare it liek that edit - jsut so you know i am not saying that us won the war, i am not one of the people that say that, jsut so you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneCanoli Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 The father of the family hears this and get his gun. Father meets criminal, both gets panicced, and both shoots, both dies. Or, the father could shoot the guy and protect his family. The chances of that happening are so many times higher than both of them shooting and killing each other. Since no one of the characters above have guns, they relax and watches a football (soccer) match instead. No one dies. Or, a criminal obtains a gun illegally and kills everyone in the family. Try getting rid of all the guns. Ppl don't kill eachother, guns do. Wrong. Getting rid of every gun is all but impossible. And you have the quote backwards. People have the final say in whether or not they pull the trigger, not the gun. Guns do not have brains. They do not choose to kill people. It works very well in countries wich have guns illegal. Wrong. This is part of my essay that discusses gun control, with cited sources. After a 1996 massacre of children in Scotland, the British Government cracked down on guns. A dramatic increase in crime ensued, as muggings in England passed the rate in the U.S. by 40%, and assault and burglary rates were nearly 100% higher than those in the U.S. (Kopel 27). Additionally, Australia and England are the first and second worst countries in the industrial world as far as violent crime is concerned, according to the February 2001 International Crime Victims Survey, while the United States is not even in the top ten worst (Poe 31). Facts and evidence support my claim, propoganda supports yours. 1. Nuclear bombs in Japan 1945, hundreds of thousands die because US wants to check how effective it is. Wrong. It was not used to see how effective it was (they had already tested the bombs elsewhere). The reason it was used was to prevent US invasion of Japan, in which millions of Americans and many more millions of Japanese would have died. You think taking Iwo Jima, Midway, etc., was difficult? This is attacking the HOMELAND of a people that would defend it no matter what. This is not some puny island either. 70,000 people were killed in Hiroshima instantly; the government of Japan didn't surrender, and we were forced to drop another. Both targets were of military and industrial value. And, of course, America later went into Japan and helped rebuild what it had destroyed. We also cancelled reparations Japan owed us, and in fact gave them money. The military occupation of Japan by the US was one of the most peaceful and well executed ones in the world. If you would like to discuss tragedies of WW2, discuss the fire-bombing of Dresden, in which the Allies (not just America) destroyed, and as the fire consumed all of the oxygen in the city, 130,000 people either suffocated or died from collapsing buildings. This city had no military value. THAT is a horrendous mistake by the Allies, not the bombing of Japan. 2. Vietnam war Hindsight bias. 3. W. Bush as president. First of all, two years as president is not nearly enough time to evaluate a president's performance. It take decades to see the effects of a president's administration. He is not even half way through his first term and you are criticizing him? Please, support your claim with evidence. Why have USA, and no others, policy to have nuclear weapons? I mean, man yof the presidents there have been mad enough to may use them. Are you saying that no other nations have nuclear weapons? And we have used the atomic bomb ONCE (technically twice), as I pointed out above. What presidents, may I ask, have been mad enough to use them? The fact that we didn't use them in Vietnam or Afghanistan sort of makes your claim a very strange one. USA should never have been approved as a "Super power" , fistly beacuse it is no "Super power", secondly, if there has to be some, it has to be at least 2, or else you ruin the balance. Okay, first, you are not "approved" as a superpower. That just happens. And how is it not a superpower? Finally, I see that the world has not gone into anarchy since the fall of the UUSR, sp your balance argument makes little sense. I apologize for picking your post apart like that, but it was necessary in order to respond to your points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Knight jah you are very misinformed, why is George Bush so bad? ok he can't talk but hey, i can't either SELFISH WHAT?!?!?!?!? Why we had no buisiness inthe war till then, how can you call us slefish, we give millions of dollars to foreign countires, millions, also about the unemployment, we have a lot more people so i don't think you can really compare it liek that why is george Bush so bad, LOL, like you say he is a puppet. the phrase Gung Ho comes to mind. Selfish? so America who were our allies didnt see fit to come to our aid when we needed it at the beginning of the war ,which could well have saved Millions of European Russian and Jewish lives. I'm not talking about america's beloved millions of dollars I'm talking about real things like saving our planet and the principles behind entering world war two to help your so-called allies. You guys should have been in WW2 from the very start and you know it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkum Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 USA is an awesome country. Sure, there are a few jackasses in the country, but no one likes them anyway. As far as selfish people go, no one likes them either. They just talk big. All the people that are selfish jerks here don't know sh*t about anything, they just have their opinions to back them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 shut up Jah Warrior...jesus your making an ass of yourself and I hope he doesn't represent the entire British Community... The Fact is we never HAD to fight in Europe...JAPAN attacked us smart guy...omg this guy is a moron.... *Whine* I'm not talking about money *Whine* <---immitating Jah Warrior... Um....ok so we're selfish.....whatever obviously you have been brainwashed...yes many americans are brainwashed...yes many europeans are brainwashed life goes on and I hope you get educated in life. Only One Canoli...I know we've fought in the past but I agree with a crap load of what you said...how old are u...what do you plan and/or studying in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Knight Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 were either of us even alive during ww2...i know i am not...unless you are like old you wern't either...so you have no idea what was happening then....i think after liek 40 years the history books and the articles we read don't say everything that was happening...i find you very biased though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Mafia_Jabba shut up Jah Warrior...jesus your making an ass of yourself and I hope he doesn't represent the entire British Community... The Fact is we never HAD to fight in Europe...JAPAN attacked us smart guy...omg this guy is a moron.... *Whine* I'm not talking about money *Whine* <---immitating Jah Warrior... Um....ok so we're selfish.....whatever obviously you have been brainwashed...yes many americans are brainwashed...yes many europeans are brainwashed life goes on and I hope you get educated in life. Deary me There is such a thing as moral obligation Jobba. Or do you really not a give a damn about the welfare of fellow human beings?, whether they be US citizens or not. You quickly stepped in to save Kuwait from Iraq but the Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, Holland, Norway, Denmark and Greece to name but a few that were invaded during WWII were not worth coming to the aid of?!?!?! If not does this mean you condone Hitler's actions. Think before you type jobba Your argument is flawed I'm afraid, and its recorded here for eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 cough truman doctrine cough dumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Knight Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Jah Warrior If not does this mean you condone Hitler's actions. Think before you type jobba come on man that is a little mean condon hitler's, i quit this thread, people like you have to come don't they, ruin a good thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Mafia_Jabba cough truman doctrine cough dumbass I wondered how long it would be until you resorted to comments like this, I was hoping for a better argument. Now whose the dumb ARSE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Knight come on man that is a little mean condon hitler's, i quit this thread, people like you have to come don't they, ruin a good thread Is this for real?!?!?! do you conceed defeat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 ok obviously you don't know the fundamentals of the truman doctrine and its changes on American foreign policy? You see, America, after world war one was lenaing toward Isolationism. You see, the great tole on life for the war led us to this. In world war II we did not want to get involved too quickly first. This changed after world war two with harry truman. He said we will protect all democractic govs and govs in need of protection blah blah blah look it up I gotta go to a friends house lata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneCanoli Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 I'm 17, and I'm not sure where I'm going to college, nor am I sure about my major. Political science definitely interests me though, as I want to become yet another greedy bastard of a U.S. politician! Guys, I'm going to have to ask you to tone down some of your comments. Feel free to attack the person's points, but don't belittle them, or I will find myself in the unfortunate position of locking this thread. Jah Warrior: I find it interesting that Europeans criticize the U.S for not entering WW2 in the beginning in spite of the fact that they had neither been attacked nor provoked. Now, we are condemned for even THINKING about attacking Iraq because we are unprovoked. This is an extremely flawed argument you have, here. America was an isolationist state from 1918 until 1941. The government had seen the massive damage the first War had caused to the US people and especially the US and world economy. We had entered a European war and paid the price. People did not want to go through this again if they did not absolutely have to (i.e. after Pearl Harbor was bombed). The US economy was in economic shambles, and we did not have the resources in 1939 to enter a full-scale war. We did, however, send volunteer military people (air force, Navy vessels, and ground soldiers) to England to fight. We didn't even make Britain pay for the resources in the middle of their war, and we let them pay us back later. And if Britain and France had the honor you say America was lacking in that time period, they would have destoyed Hitler's army when it invaded the Rhineland, Czechoslovakia, etc. By not attacking him then, were those two nations condoning Hitler's actions. The answer is NO. Like the US, neither country wanted to fight a war unless they had to. But honestly, this whole WW2 thing is moot, as we are discussing the American people of today, not the government's actions 60 years ago. Jah Warrrior and Mafia Jabba have warnings for flaming. Please stop guys, I don't want to have to close this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Jah Warrior why is george Bush so bad, LOL, like you say he is a puppet. the phrase Gung Ho comes to mind. Selfish? so America who were our allies didnt see fit to come to our aid when we needed it at the beginning of the war ,which could well have saved Millions of European Russian and Jewish lives. I'm not talking about america's beloved millions of dollars I'm talking about real things like saving our planet and the principles behind entering world war two to help your so-called allies. You guys should have been in WW2 from the very start and you know it! First off... I would like to state... Im a Republican... and I voted for that quote dumbass pupet... so what!!! You think hes stupid because hes from Texas??? Im from Oklahoma and I have a slight western draw in my accent as well!!! You havent meet him you havent seen his IQ's so you cant call him stupid or dumb... which implies him as lacking of knowlage... I would like to say... I dont make rude or crude comments about leaders... the way I see it the people want them there so they are there... If you dont like him tuff cookies because you dont have him as your leader do you... We have a thing here in the USA... If you didnt vote you cant complain!!! People like you really piss me of going around making polical slander... Second off... After the revolution and the US government was forumed our first president said that the USA was not to get mixed up in any "ANY!!!" world conflict taht didnt directly involve the US... HENCE!!! why wasnt in WWI or WWII tell we was needed... We felt simpath and sent most of our fleets from the pasific to the atlantic in WWII... Dropping our pants!!! for the Japs... They attacked... We turned around and fought back on 2 ends of the globe!!! We had everyone in the USA durring WWII working... suplying doing there thing for the war effort... Then we fork out billions and trillions of dollars in war loans!!! note!!! LOANS!!! Which is gone from our money forgod because no one will pay us back!!! You cant call us greedy untell you look at your country budgets and all that other fun stuff... Edit: Sorry for being mad... but... the usa did what it had to do... if conoli thinks this is flamming I will delete my post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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