hurstyboy69 Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Dooku has to die to allow Anakin to become Sideous' apprentice. There are only ever two Sith, the Master and the Apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Hes not that powerful. Anyways he's probably going to die in EP3 or go into hiding. he has to die, remember that we don't see him in 4, 5 or 6, so he must die, the only person that could possibily survive episode 3 and not be in 4,5,6 is pademe. the rest are dead. p.s. sif lucas would let dooku get away with what he did ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 There are some Jedi who Jedi went into hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle he has to die, remember that we don't see him in 4, 5 or 6, so he must die, the only person that could possibily survive episode 3 and not be in 4,5,6 is pademe. the rest are dead. There are lots of people who could survive episode 3 and not be in 4, 5, and 6. Since Padme's pregnant in 3, we're talking about a span around 17 years (depend on where Ep III ends). Plenty of people could die during that time, or even continue to survive (even if we don't see them)... they don't have to die in 3. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Ya I bet Sidious kills most of the Jedi in ep3 including the most famous ones like Mace and Kiadi and then the rest scatter and are mopped up between ep3 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 come to think of it there are a few lines in ANH like " the jedi were wiped out long ago " that can make up for the not so important jedi surviving ep. 3 and being wiped out before ep. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Kaan Who else in the SW Universe have faced their old Master that calmly? Just think about that for a few min's. Vader. To shoot down your calm theory what Jedi or Sith have we seen not fight calm. Only Luke and Anakin. Everyone else is totally calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Quote from starwars.com: "The two Jedi challenged Dooku to a lightsaber duel, but Dooku's masterful skills in old-style lightsaber combat made short work of the younger combatants. As they lay wounded, another Jedi entered into Dooku's secret hangar. The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers. In a blurring tangle of speed and light, the two masters of the Force dueled. Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Yoda by endangering Kenobi and Skywalker with a toppling crane. As Yoda used the Force to save his fellow Jedi, Dooku fled." As you see, Yoda wasn't owning Dooku, it was actually quite equal between them, Yoda was just a little better. So I think we could undoubtfully say that Dooku would own most jedis/siths, including Mace and Vader. And btw, Qui-Gon fought better than Maul in TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Dooku had a purpose and saw to it that it came to fruition, starting the clone war into action. Remember he is a seperatist and was once a Jedi Master that sat on the council and now a Sith lord. He can use light or dark powers, he is a master saberist (uses form II) and can (did) stand toe to toe with Yoda in a force and saber battle. He escaped, which was his intention, without a scratch. Based on his knowledge, skills and abilities, few if any rival him. The ones that do, like Yoda and the Emperor, are the top of their field, for lack of a better term. Dooku is out for Dooku. He DOES NOT have to die for Anakin/Vader to become Palpy's apprentice. He has his own agenda that is yet to be totally revieled. Wether it is or not in EP3 is yet to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Kaan Dooku is out for Dooku. He DOES NOT have to die for Anakin/Vader to become Palpy's apprentice. He has his own agenda that is yet to be totally revieled. Wether it is or not in EP3 is yet to be seen. yes i totally agree, i believe the alliance offered to obi-wan was dooku's attempt to meet his own agenda, against sidious. when dooku says " i have good news for you my lord, the clone wars have begun " (close enough) i believe that he doesnt really think that the news is that good, but that could be his dissapointment that he didn't kill yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle yes i totally agree, i believe the alliance offered to obi-wan was dooku's attempt to meet his own agenda, against sidious. when dooku says " i have good news for you my lord, the clone wars have begun " (close enough) i believe that he doesnt really think that the news is that good, but that could be his dissapointment that he didn't kill yoda. I agree and think perhaps both apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMuffin Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 I agree too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku 2 Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Count Dooku is loyal to him master, Darth Sidious, yet he also likes to work alone, and has been toying with the idea of killing Sidious and ruling the galaxy himself. Remember, though, some other Sith Lords have had this idea: "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has forseen this! Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son!" It seems Darth Vader was thinking along the lines of overthrowing his master, as well... and (I know this is EU, but) read "Enemy of the Empire": Vader likes the future in which he kills the Emperor and claims the title for himself. The dark side of the Force is powerful, and the chance of more power is a very seductive one. I wouldn't blame Dooku if he tried to kill Sidious, failed and went into hiding himself. But then... why no mention of him during the civil war between the Empire and the Rebel Alliance? Surely he would be a major player if he were still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Originally posted by Count Dooku 2 Count Dooku is loyal to him master, Darth Sidious, yet he also likes to work alone, and has been toying with the idea of killing Sidious and ruling the galaxy himself. Remember, though, some other Sith Lords have had this idea... Loyal to Sideous, but wants to kill him..... Dooku is loyal only to Dooku and his own cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Leave you own personal feelings out of it and stick to the facts people. You dont know ANYTHING about Dookus personal agenda. No one does. As past facts have shown the apprentice is loyal to the master and is under the masters control. Thats how the Sith work. That is a fact. It would be stupid to let the apprentice surpass the master. As Vader said, "I must obey my master." But like any Sith apprentice including Vader, Dooku would not mind taking his masters place. If he had the perfect opportunity he would probably take it. We know nothing more than that. Dooku is a Sith. An apprentice aspiring to be a master and continuing the Sith lineage. This is what we know. And thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 dooku may attack palpatine, this could be how he dies, that'd be a cool scene. i'd like to see 3 people in the room, Anakin, Dooku and palpatine and its dooku vs palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku 2 Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 One of two things would please me: 1: Anakin goes to Sidious and askes to be a dark lord. Dooku appears and challenges Anakin, thinking he can destroy him after the Battle of Geonosis. Anakin and Dooku duel, and Anakin (now using the dark side) kills Dooku. Sidious walks in, gives Aankin the title of Darth Vader and they all live happily ever after. 2: Dooku feels the time is right and attacks Sidious. The pair of dark lord's duel with lightsabers and Force powers, with Sidious winning and killing Dooku. Sidious goes in search of new apprentice, finds the hate-filled Anakin and turns him into a Darth, living happily ever after. I like the first one, but a dark lord versus a dark lord would be something new and interesting. Plus, I would like to see Sidious use a lightsaber at some point, because the character has been very low on the action scenes, and each character needs an action scene (well... they gave one to Jar-Jar!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 i doubt that sidious/palpy would even know how to use a lightsaber. lightsabers are a jedi's weapon, the sith would use them only because they want to kill the jedi. darth maul is the only sith to have used a lightsaber who was not once a jedi. so i am voting a big NO to sidious using a saber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku 2 Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 No... I think all Sith Lord's have lightsabers. After all, the dark side is still the Force, and all Force-users weild a lightsaber as their weapon. Also, the Sith don't just use lightsabers because they want to kill Jedi: they go on other missions, like Maul against Black Sun, and he used his lightsaber to kick smuggler butt. I'm voting a big YES on Sidious using a lightsaber (doesn't have to be anything fancy: a single blade would do...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku 2 Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Oh, and also... If the Sith Lord's only use lightsabers to kill Jedi, why did Darth Vader keep his when he thought all the Jedi were dead in the Original Trilogy? He must have had some use for it, otherwise he would have left it on the floor after Obi-Wan Kenobi was killed (Vader thought he was the last Jedi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle i doubt that sidious/palpy would even know how to use a lightsaber. lightsabers are a jedi's weapon, the sith would use them only because they want to kill the jedi. darth maul is the only sith to have used a lightsaber who was not once a jedi. That's crazy. The Sith come from a group that broke off from the Jedi. They all use sabers. If Sidious doesn't use one now he did when he was an apprentice to his master(whoever that was). The saber is part of the Sith as much as it is part of the Jedi. Also I doubt Anakin is going to ask to be as Sith Lord. I'm betting his anger is going to drive him to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Originally posted by Count Dooku 2 One of two things would please me: 1: Anakin goes to Sidious and askes to be a dark lord. Dooku appears and challenges Anakin, thinking he can destroy him after the Battle of Geonosis. Anakin and Dooku duel, and Anakin (now using the dark side) kills Dooku. Sidious walks in, gives Aankin the title of Darth Vader and they all live happily ever after. 2: Dooku feels the time is right and attacks Sidious. The pair of dark lord's duel with lightsabers and Force powers, with Sidious winning and killing Dooku. Sidious goes in search of new apprentice, finds the hate-filled Anakin and turns him into a Darth, living happily ever after. I like the first one, but a dark lord versus a dark lord would be something new and interesting. Plus, I would like to see Sidious use a lightsaber at some point, because the character has been very low on the action scenes, and each character needs an action scene (well... they gave one to Jar-Jar!). How about.... Anakin's marriage to Padme upsets the Jedi council, which threatens him with the ultimatim of divorcing Padme or being kicked out of the Jedi Order. Refusing to leave Padme, Anakin leaves (or is kicked out of) the Order, and seeks revenge against them. Knowing that the Seperatists oppose the Republic (and hence the Jedi Order), Anakin seeks them out and offers his services to Dooku, in return for aid in wrecking his vengence upon the Jedi. Recognizing the Anakin's inherit power, Dooku decides it's time to challenge Sidious, confident that with Anakin at his side, he'd be both victorious and have an apprentice to take his place after he becomes the Master. Upon confronting Sidious, Sidious reveals that he's Palpatine to Anakin. Because of the bonds between Palpatine and Anakin existing since before Episode II, Anakin betrays Dooku and Dooku dies (either to Sidious, Anakin, or jointly). Anakin then replaces Dooku as Sidious's apprentice. Sheesh, I hope I'm wrong. I'd hate to be giving away Episode III. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Originally posted by JediNyt Leave you own personal feelings out of it and stick to the facts people. You dont know ANYTHING about Dookus personal agenda. No one does. As past facts have shown the apprentice is loyal to the master and is under the masters control. Thats how the Sith work. That is a fact. It would be stupid to let the apprentice surpass the master. As Vader said, "I must obey my master." But like any Sith apprentice including Vader, Dooku would not mind taking his masters place. If he had the perfect opportunity he would probably take it. We know nothing more than that. Dooku is a Sith. An apprentice aspiring to be a master and continuing the Sith lineage. This is what we know. And thats all. I disagree. Dooku is definately playing the middle against both ends for his own cause, whatever that cause may be. We do know it is for the seperatist movement. Vader obeyed his Master until he knew Luke was about to die, he killed Palpy to save Lukes life, not to take his Masters place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Hey Kryllith, once again, that is some great thinking and imagination.......very plausible. It very well could happen like that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 31, 2002 Share Posted October 31, 2002 Originally posted by Hannibal That's crazy. The Sith come from a group that broke off from the Jedi. They all use sabers. If Sidious doesn't use one now he did when he was an apprentice to his master(whoever that was). The saber is part of the Sith as much as it is part of the Jedi. its not that crazy, sidious doesn't use a lightsaber. maul used one so he could fight the jedi. and we havent seen ANY other sith that didn't learn to use a saber when they were a jedi. "they all use sabers" who are they, you mean maul ? remember that darth and dooku were once jedi. where are you getting this " The Sith come from a group that broke off from the Jedi " ? the only reference i can think of is when Qui-gon says " it was heavily trained in the Jedi arts " or something to that effect. where else is it talked about the sith being a group that broke off from the Jedi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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