Kjølen Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 So sad... that if aliens ever came to earth and we told them about our wars they would ask us who we fought against, because we have not yet achieved galactic space travel, it'll be sad that we have to say we fight and kill each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Originally posted by Kjølen So sad... that if aliens ever came to earth and we told them about our wars they would ask us who we fought against, because we have not yet achieved galactic space travel, it'll be sad that we have to say we fight and kill each other. you know, he's right, we always see movies about aliens coming down and trying to destroy the earth, but the reality is, we're destroying it ourselves, aliens wouldn't bother attcking us, they'd just sit back and watch us destroy ourselves. it's sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnusB Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Well Neil, to be honest it seems more likely that aliens would be hostile. I mean, aren't most animals hostile? And it appears more likely [to me at least] that aliens would be more like animals than humans..... Well, what do we know anyway? Concerning the theme of the topic, it certainly is sad. :/ The biggest problem with attacks such as these is that since it's almost impossible to figure out when and where they will take place, it's almost impossible to stop them. However, let's look at some of the positive things happening in the world. For instance, the princess of Norway is pregnant with a sucky writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 sorry, but there are so many things wrong with what you said (not about war and all that, that was very true, the aliens part) first of all, not all animals are hostile, i've never seen a tortoise fight an eagle back. and also, how do you know that aliens would be hostile, and like animals, jsut because they would eb different from us, doesbn't mean that they would ifnd us a threat or that we should find them a threat. they could only want peace in the same way that we could. that's the thing about aliens, they could be more intelligent and advanced then us, but then again, they might not be, they may be simple and we are seen as teh threat to them. think about that. but perhapes this conversation is best continued in another topic as we are trying to grieve the losses of those killed in bali. terrorism is one of the worst thing to happen to this world. and it started out as people using terror to get what they want. small things like money or wealth, and they would threaten such things as buildings and monuments. but now they are using it against people lives in order to save their country. true, a worthy prize, but it shouldn't have come to this. this is so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnusB Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 I know. I agree. What I said was actually a bit of a joke, but I didn't get that through very well. My point was that we don't know ANYTHING about aliens... We don't know whether they have any sorts of senses, emotions, feelings or anything, or not; and thus speculating about how they would react to encountering us is pointless in the first place. Let's drop the subject, ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Originally posted by Kjølen So sad... that if aliens ever came to earth and we told them about our wars they would ask us who we fought against, because we have not yet achieved galactic space travel, it'll be sad that we have to say we fight and kill each other. I doubt any civilization could develop that. Didn't have their own internal wars at some point, so I don't think there'd be any surprise on the part of the aliens to learn we in fact have done so. Originally posted by MagnusB We don't know whether they have any sorts of senses, emotions, feelings or anything, or not; and thus speculating about how they would react to encountering us is pointless in the first place. If the aliens did not have any senses, emotions, feelings, etc., then what drove them to explore the galaxy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 If aliens ever arrive here, we KNOW they are more advanced than us! Speculating about anything may be pointless but it is human nature to do so! And it's so much fun! So I'll kick in with this. If we ever have alien visitors, let's hope they ARE friendly! Otherwise, we are deep in the stuff that makes tomatoes grow! I have always been very skeptical about intelligent life existing elsewhere. And even if it did, the scope and magnitude of space/time is so vast, it would be a miracle if intelligent beings from another world might find their way to Earth. And they would have opened the doors to the secrets of traveling thousands of years from one star to another! In a reasonable amount of time! What do you think about alien abductions? You can imagine what my response to that is. And here it is. I think it's a form of mass hysteria. The human brain can conjure up (being a last frontier of sorts) all sorts of wild and crazy things! But I like to keep an open mind about all of this. Because..............YOU NEVER KNOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 SIGNS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 man i love that movie!!! sorry, we were meant to drop that topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnusB Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 If the aliens did not have any senses, emotions, feelings, etc., then what drove them to explore the galaxy??? Again, what do we know? Maybe they had some other reason? It's impossible to tell. It's seems unlikely to me that there is no life out there, but it seems equally unlikely that we wil ever meet them, and thus we will never know. Another thing, even if we did establish some sort of contact with them, we probably wouldn't be able to understand each other. I mean, it's hard to tell how they communicate, but there's a pretty good chance it doesn't involve neither sound nor writing, and if it did, they would probably use a system so unlike our's that we would never be able to figure it out. Don't quote me on this, cause again, what do we know? It would be an incredible, and slightly disturbing discovery if they wrote with words and sentences like us for example. That would be a pretty sick coincidence. About alien abduction, it seems unlikely to me that aliens that had managed to travel to Earth would try to hide, while sporadically showing up and capturing human specimen for research. Sure, you could say that they are just exploring our planet, and called for backup thousands of years ago, and that the rest of the gang is on their way as we speak...., but doesn't it all seem a bit too..... crazy? Signs is a good movie, but *SPOILER* the whole thing about the water was pretty far-fetched. I mean; one thing is that there is lots of water in the air as well, another is that if they were smart enough to find us and travel to us, surely they would know that they had to avoid the water, and brins some sort of protection. That goes for the how they were unable to get through small wooden doors and such as well. All in all, the aliens were a bit to stereotypical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 okay, first, it seems logical that aliens would communicate using some sort of writing that we would try to translate as best we could if the situation ever presented itself. think about it, after all of the grunting and stuuff, early mans first form of non verbal communication (apart from body language) was to make markings on a surface, maybe scratching on a wall, and then we developed that into papyrus and then paper adn we got writing. it seems logical that and alien races may do the same thing, if intelligent enough (i.e., as intelligent as us, remember, if less intelligent, they would be as smart as the animals around us and therefore would not write) and even though they may have different symbols to our ABC's, we could maybe still translate them. also, signs **spoiler** (highlight it if you don't know) the whole thing with thew water here was that first, they needed enough to actually burn themselves with, so the water in the air wouldn't have hurt them. second, these didn't really have any sort of technology apart from teh ships we never see as all they needed was the poison gas thingie from their wrist and they seemed pretty primative (whilst at the same time building a ship good enough to come to earth, but never mind that). thirdly, they did stay away from water, as the guiy who killed his wife said, but they weren't to know that water was going to be found in the home. and finally, this whole subject was a little farfetched as it was trying to convey the idea that everything happens for a reason (whic on some levels, i believe, but on others, may not, depending on how much you believe in fate and god) as you can see (the reason the little girl would take a sip of water and then leave it somewhere and get a new glass of water was so at the end, they could use it on the alien, the reason his wife said 'swing away' was so his brother would swing his baseball bat and then the whole asthma thing), but that was the main point of the movie, not to make the aliens scientifically accurate, but to convey a message. and so the whole water in the air thing was obviously ignored as it wasn't helping the wotry they were trying to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Well, I believe that most likely, they would be peaceful to us. It seems that any civilization that would have made it to the point of interstellar travel would have to be a fairly peaceful civilization (or had more common sense than us) not to have destroyed themselves with nuclear weapons, or other weapons of mass destruction. They would treat any civilizations they encounter with the same benevolence with which they treat each other (hopefully). A very dubious conclusion, I'm afraid. After all, Germany was one of the most advanced nations scientifically and technologically, to say nothing of the arts, music, literature, etc, and yet produced the Nazis and mass destruction and killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 The aliens want to come and steal my intelligence- I won't let them, you hear me? I see strange looking people sometimes and I bet they're aliens sent from far strange away place to come and steal my brain! I'd just smile and dazzle them with my sweetness and offer them some chocolate and everything will be fine- the aliens wont know what has hit them once they have some choccy Everyone loves choccy and if you don't you need a smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Then you might have the other side of the coin. They are highly intelligent, superior-to-us worm-like creatures who look upon us as food (and not for thought), and/or being very invasive, war-like creatures, even among themselves, may just decide to plant themselves on our luscious planet (theirs being long gone) once we are out of the way. Maybe I've seen too many non-Spielberg movies! SIGNS was still an entertaining, scary movie though. There has been some conjecture that mathematics will be the "universal" language if we ever get the opportunity to try to communicate with an alien civilization. However unlikely that civilization may be likely to try to communicate with us. If it exists at all. I'd guess our initial "conversation" would be based on mathematics. Showing we know the relationship between the circumference of a circle to it's radius out to however many places we currently have it, or the prime numbers, etc. would be a good point to start. Then again, there's always pictures (like what we put on the Voyager crafts, along with a record). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 You have to hope aliens can relate to rock and Mozart. LOL. If any kind of music at all. LOL Can you imagine if they heard rap or blue grass? It might start an intergalactic war! Blue grass I can relate to sometimes. But rap to my ears is an abomination and reason enough to start a war. j/K (I like rap). But in the fullness of time, I suspect it will go the way of all fads. I read one article that suggests that may already be underway. Blue grass is okay. After all, it has that down home, Wild Turkey, flavor! Our fancy schmancy digital TV cable company have 3 (THREE!) rap video channels! Of course rap has made for effective sound tracks to some fine films recently. PULP FICTION comes first to mind! LOL Ok, back to topic. Signs was a good picture though. Scary too. LOL. The Phoenix character watched the news in the closet. LOL. That's what I would have done and I wouldn't come out til it was over. Man that alien was a mean mother! I still agree with your point of telling them that we kill each other. It's the most repulsive thing we could tell other species. They probably have fought wars with other worlds and different species. About the animals, you'r right that not all animals are hostile towards another. We don't know for sure if aliens have the kind of technology that they would need to get to us. Maybe, just maybe, they see us as the animals killing each other to helpless inferior species on the same world. Even I pity this world. Don't forget this is the grand design of mother nature - the balance of nature - the food chain - there has to be a predator and there has to be prey. We humans foul all that up. Interesting though. I once read a sci-fi story about aliens who came to Earth, I think to colonize, but you see they had evolved from rabbits, and when they saw us eating meat they were so repulsed that they didn't even bother to try to take over. They figured we were a hopeless case and to barbaric to even be around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 once read a book calle 'only you can save mankind' about a computer game with the same name where you basically had to kill and alien race. it was written in the eighties so this game had poor graphics (and yet still achieved 3d environments). basically, one day, whilst a young boy named johnny was playing it, a message appeared on his screen say that they surrender. the aliens weren't meant to do that, but that did anyway. going a little into the book, we find out that these aliens live in what we call 'game space' and must get back past their borders to their home universe where humans can't get to them. but for some reason, all humans want to do is shoot at them. all they can do is fight back and whenever they kill a human, the human comes back, but when one of them is killed, they are really killed. and it's up to johnny to save this alien race. whenever he goes to sleep, he dreams, and dreams he is in a real space ship helping these aliens. you could think that this is all dreams in his head, until it starts pouring into real life. the same copy of the game all over the world is tried and none of them play properly, there are no aliens, no matter how much you fly. no one can understand this except johnny who know,s he's got to save this alien race from mankind. it also has referance to space invaders as the aliens who tried to get home before, but were wiped out by humamns. now this alien race will eb wiped out if johnny doesn't help them. he has to help, he has to save them. only he can save mankind. sorry, thought i'd insert that. good book, i suggest u read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 Aliens, when discovered will definatly NOT be hostile. If capable of meeting us with proper technology, they must have evolved beyond a point in which they get along to accomplish tasks such as the construction of a ramjet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 i really don't think that any of us can say whether aliens would be hostile or not, it depends on the situation. if aliens had exhauted food on their planet, they may well come over here and take ours by force. but if they simply wanted to explore, then they may be very cautiouse, if not open and friendly. but frankly, this hasn't happened yet (and if we're to believe the roswell conspiricies, we haven't exactly treated them well have we?) and so we can't say whether they are hostile or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Yeah, being friendly of good intentions or just plain nice are not necessarily correlated with high technology. Hitler's Germany is a case in point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 yeah, but maybe they aren't technologically sopund. i mean, maybe they're not of extra intelligence. think about it, if we found a way to harness energy in such a way that we could travel faster than light, then we could easily send out an astronaut (sp?) to find alien races. the fact that we wouldn't be able to keep in contact with him/her or ever see him/her again doesn't say anything. so really, all i'm saying is that an alien race could do teh exact same thing, but just because they could do it before us doesn't make them more intelligent than us does it? maybe they're incredibly stupid (or cousre if we're talking about the movie signs, i think it was incredibly stupid to go invade a planet which is two thirds water) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 i'll let the picture speak for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted December 1, 2002 Author Share Posted December 1, 2002 Woah, this topic must have been brought back when I was gone. Scared me lol. Hmmm I posted this in October? No way... I thought it was like sometime in the summer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Originally posted by Neil Joshi yeah, but maybe they aren't technologically sopund. i mean, maybe they're not of extra intelligence. think about it, if we found a way to harness energy in such a way that we could travel faster than light, then we could easily send out an astronaut (sp?) to find alien races. the fact that we wouldn't be able to keep in contact with him/her or ever see him/her again doesn't say anything. so really, all i'm saying is that an alien race could do teh exact same thing, but just because they could do it before us doesn't make them more intelligent than us does it? maybe they're incredibly stupid (or cousre if we're talking about the movie signs, i think it was incredibly stupid to go invade a planet which is two thirds water) What would be the point in sending someone out to find alien races if we could never hear from him/her again? We wouldn't know what they found, and so would gain nothing. Doesn't make any sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 i'm not saying we would do that, just that we could. we're not stupid enough to do that, but the fact of the matter is, we could if we wanted to. and so is the same with other alien races, they could send out an alien to our planet, but that doesn't meant that they are more advanced than us does it. also kjole, you never started this topic, or at least technically. Natty started a topic about Australians uniting for the bali bombing and it side tracked into this. rather than deleting all accused posts, feral simply split the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken_Sailor Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Since we haven't done it yet, I would assume that if they have, then they are more advanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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