NeoMarz1 Posted December 24, 2002 Author Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Lord Tnuc I trust her sounds and whatnot will be taken from the Bounty Hunter game? And the rifle sounds will be taken from the Episode II single shot? I'm very into this rifle idea...good going with the reticle. Perhaps somehow, someone could make a reticle that could lock on, like the rocket..but also act differently...like..there's a large reticle when you have the rifle...a reticle in the middle..and a circle that is around the middle reticle. perhaps, someone could make it so that the circle leaves the reticle once someone has entered the larger reticle..making it so that they're more noticeable...more of a cool feature than anything, probably. Hey you just keep the ideas a rolling. I hadnt even considered the rifle till you suggested it! I may even do a pistol. I now got a contact who is helping me on weapons. Ill post more as it become available. Mars out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted December 29, 2002 Author Share Posted December 29, 2002 Thanks to everyone for showing interest in the model. Heres what ive done so far... 1) refined the head model 2) finished the helmet 3) attached the helmet 4) finished the target reticule 5) sent Zam's rifle to "Locutus", in turn I should get the rifle skin out quickely. 6) started the body. I want to take a moment and thank "Locutus" for helping me on the rifle, He is the one responsible for "Jangos" Westar pistol. Ive been thinking about a pre release on Zam's rifle; however, it will be included with the Zam model on release. Thanks again, Mars out! Oh one more thing, stay tuned... screenshots will be coming soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tnuc Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Way to go, Marz. I hope you'll have the sound effects and the correct weapon effects (the red bolts) with the rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 *****screenshot is up**** http://www.talocan.net/mars/zamcollauge.jpg courtesy of KSK H2o Mars out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jolts Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 looks good, I would smooth down the cheek bones a little, and then work on the eyes and nose shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksk h2o Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 I'm not sure but I think it could be related to open edges. an STL check should show if the nose and chin is attached properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 Originally posted by Jolts looks good, I would smooth down the cheek bones a little, and then work on the eyes and nose shape. Yeah I agree, Im really worried about polygon count, I used a lot on the helmet, head, and now the body. I'm trying to keep it down, but I dont want to lose too many details. I actually modeled the hoses on the torso, and the crescent buckle. My concern here is that when it gets animated, are those things gonna twist and look funny? Another point with the nose, nothing is attached (like the nose), should it be? Everything at this point is one modeled shape. Does the nose or any protrusions have an effect on UVmapping, And whats with the overlap warnings when doing the map? Is that from the nose? I guess Im a little nervous about getting in all that detail and finding out that it was modeled wrong (as far as rigging/skinning details go). What kind of things should I be concerned about when making the model? Are there things that im doing that may make the job harder down the road? Mars out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 Originally posted by ksk h2o I'm not sure but I think it could be related to open edges. an STL check should show if the nose and chin is attached properly. Whats STL check? Is that an option in 3Dstudio max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jolts Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Keeping the nose attached to the head is the way I would do it, I noticed the raven models don't, they might have done it that way for ease of recyling and uvmapping. If you model everything as one piece you can always segment it later w/o any troubles. I would keep the rest of the head as one piece. If its easier to model everything in patches do it that way, then later merge it all together. Personally I do it all as one. For the helmet maybe model it in 3 different lods do a quick texture test and see what works best. Things like hoses you can model real cheap with a cube or triangle since its so small from a normal distance it would read fine. Keep your surface topology as clean as possible and make sure you have enough rows around the joints for better deformation, reference the raven model for examples. It might also be easier to start modelling in quads, and then after everything is modelled go in and triangulate it. experiment, look at other models surface topology, pm me or post a wire frame shot so I can see better what you got going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksk h2o Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Originally posted by NeoMarz1 Whats STL check? Is that an option in 3Dstudio max? It goes in the modifier stack. Click the scroll down list in the modifier options in the edit/modify tab and you should see a modifier called STL check somewhere in there. Although an STL check is essentially for other purposes, it will be helpful in showing you open edges, double faces and essentially double vertices. These occur as you mirror your mesh or copy/clone parts of it as you edit the mesh. An open edge might also not animate properly or be visible in the in-game model. Double vertices are my personal hates since they seriously mess me up during weighing. They are found usually on both ends of an open-edge that was supposed to be closed. If you slect these vertices by dragging a selection box around them, you will see one vertice selected on screen, but it will say 2 vertices selected in the menu on the left. These vertices occupy the same point, but join to different edges. In most cases (not all) the open edge is supposed to be closed and these vertices which are located in the same spot are supposed to be only one. just collapse these vertices to fix this and open edges. They cause many problems when you try to weigh your mesh as you may weigh one of these verts but not the other, and although it may LOOK like your mesh is weighed and there are no unweighed vertices, carcass will tell you there is a certain vert thats left out... good luck finding this vert when its buried underneath a properly weighed vert. >.< STL errors also come into play during smoothing. If two surfaces that are next to each other are not attached to each other (seperated by an open edge) the max smoothing will not work very well and/or the shading difference of the two surfaces will be drastic. Although this is a moot point since assimilate will do it's own smoothing regardless of what you do to your mesh in max (If you import the XSI you will see that they are devoid of smoothing), but I like to have max smooth my model properly for good renders and also to be able to view it properly and make valid editing decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 Thanks H2o and Jolts! You guys cleared a lot up for me. I have one more question, (sort of embarrased), but when you talk about "weighted"... what does that mean? You have to understand that I'm basically a newbie. I have my ideas of what that means, but maybe you can clarify I appreciate the detailed info! Sincerely Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksk h2o Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 weighing comes into play later on in the modelling process. If you take a look at spacemonkeys tutorial you will see a section on weighing. It is what needs to be done for the model to animate properly in game. You don't need to worry about it much untill your model is basically complete anyway. But it's important that you build your model close and tightly around to the raven skeleton bc that is what you will "weigh" your mesh to, when modelling is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted January 1, 2003 Author Share Posted January 1, 2003 Well the project is moving along. I must say that im about to pull my own hair out. I am happy to report that I have made some great changes to both the helmet and face. The goggles were way off on the last screenies. It's hard to get any detail shots of em, but I think im close enough (unless someone has good pics of the goggles). I changed the brim of the helmet to look more sweeping. Only thing slowing me down is that I dont have the skelaton available. Psyko is sending I hope. Im a little reluctant to do more modeling without that, Also, if anyone has the "space monkey tutorial" (not the appendum) please send it I dont want to disappoint anyone who is following this thread, so I'm doing my best! P.S. It looks as though the rifle is moving along as well, I just got the maps, I may start skinning that even though I don't have the glm/pk3 yet. Mars out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tnuc Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by NeoMarz1 P.S. It looks as though the rifle is moving along as well, I just got the maps, I may start skinning that even though I don't have the glm/pk3 yet. Mars out! I am very much in love with this rifle idea. Did you get the sound effects from the movie or are you just doing the visuals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksk h2o Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Mars, if you look into the modelling forum, I think it got renamed and joined into one HUUUGE general editing forum now. There is a thread I recently bumped up that has the title: for anyone that needs a weighted skeleton Inside you will find that somebody had put up a skeleton with all the tags weighed allready.... a great thing for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyk0Sith Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I've just sent the skeleton and spacemonkey's tutorial to u marz, hope it wont jam your mail box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted January 3, 2003 Author Share Posted January 3, 2003 I got some Great news!!!!!!!! The Zam Rifle is now completed, Thanks to Locutus! He has been very very helpful, and we both have been punching away at this thing. I am going to go ahead and put out version 1 (version 2 will come out with the zam model). Version 1 has the reticule and gun model with completed skins. Version 2 will have sounds and edited fire blast. I plan to send the pk3 out tommarow, so keep checking http://www.JediKnight2Files.com I have played around with the rifle and its way cool, much better than the disruptor (in my own opinion:D ). Only bad thing is that the rifle clips the player's elbow just a tad (to be expected with the long rifle design). Mars out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tnuc Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 The Zam Rifle is now completed Great job, Neo. I, for one, will be downloading both of the versions...and I can't wait for the second version..and especially for Zam herself. Many thanks to Locutus, also, for the help he gave Neo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted January 4, 2003 Author Share Posted January 4, 2003 Just sent the Rifle out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterKoon237 Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Originally posted by NeoMarz1 Just sent the Rifle out! To where? Edit:just saw your other post! I'll keep checkin www.jk2files.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tnuc Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 I'm curious if it will also be sent to http://www.JkII.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgi Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Good job man. I'm lookin out for the rifle and will definately get zam herself. keep up the good work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted January 4, 2003 Author Share Posted January 4, 2003 Originally posted by Lord Tnuc I'm curious if it will also be sent to http://www.JkII.net Yup! It was... Although, I'm not sure if it will make it to the posting there. They can be slow sometimes. Mars out! ****Good news**** More pictures posted by H20, I'm sure you will all get a kick out of what's been done so far! I'm basically working the forms, nothings been attached to the skelaton. I am considering a Zam varient with the veil covering! Possibly Zam's airspeeder for map constructions. We'll see... Mars out! http://www.talocan.net/mars/zam_riflescrn2.jpg http://www.talocan.net/mars/zamtorsoshot2.jpg http://www.talocan.net/mars/zamtorsoshot3.jpg http://www.talocan.net/mars/zamtorsoshot4.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{BK}SupremePain Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 oh my god! Mars you made THAT!? all by yourself? my freaking god your just of good a modeller as you are a skinner! thats amazing for a guy that hasent realy done modelling before! coming along very nicely.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted January 5, 2003 Author Share Posted January 5, 2003 *********EVEN BETTER NEWS*********** I just finished the Zam model, Don't get too excited though... It's just the model! Now comes the hard part... getting it on the skelaton, and in the game. This may actually take longer than the modeling process (for me). Its going to be a rough road from here on out! I know you guys will help me (you know who you are). I am excited, and can't wait to get Zam finished. A little early to say this but... Adi Gallia is my next one;) Mars out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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