EscapeMI's official "Let's abuse Feral" post

[Doodle Dude of Doom]

First of all Feral, I think you are talking completly bull****. And then you are afraid to take comments. I mean you don't close a topic for that... The thing I mean with bull**** is that you say it's wrong to write lol, good joke... and so on. It may or may not be (I dont know) wrong to write it on a forum that specalize on one genre like Monkey Island games. If Acrylic, or someone else have done this it's your job to move it to another forum. Becasue you are a moderator. Even if you aren't moderating that forum, it's you job to report to the admins, or the mod on THAT forum. But then here in the Harbor or whatever its called it stand like this:

 

"Set down the anchor, pull up a bar stool, relax and discuss just about anything with fellow MI gamers."

 

This means, I my, and 99% of the others that you can discuss anything... Then why should lol, or good joke be classified as spam? Ok if someone would write "SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, MOTHER ****" or something. Then I guess it's necessary to block/close member/topic.

 

And then the thing you are pointing EVERYTHING at Acrylic. That's not fair. It's just not fair play. Okay if you would have wrtoe "members that have spammed have a very small chanse to be a mod" but you write like "You, Acrylic, have not a big chanse"... This is just bull****. Not fair.

 

Now it is like this: I am quite sure you will block this thread cause you are afraid of ritisizm (sorry for the spelling). Yeah I know I am to on the forums I am moderationg. But what the heck? I don't close topic for that.

 

If you block me, okay... Then I know you are a bad moderator. But I put my membership on that. If that's needed to telling you how a moderator should be like, then it's worth it.

 

Isak - Moderator on brokensword3.net

[Feral]

Off topic or not, there's no need to post 3-word responses to anything. Is says "discuss just about anything with other members", not "in this forum, you get to post whatever you like even if it's unnecessary. Hooray!"

And it's not bull****. I closed his other topic because there was no need for him top post the poll, not because I was afraid of criticism. Why would I be? It's the Internet, for Pete's sake, it's not as if it's going to hurt my feelings or anything.

You say I was pointing everything at AG, but I was not. In fact, he asked me to give examples, so I did.

AG made a homophobic comment in what was supposed to be a humourous topic on the Mojo forums, something that Met has been both lambasted and baned for in the past. I notice that you failed to mention that in your little rampage.

And I said specifically that AG has no chance of becoming a mod, not only because because I know it to be true, but because he had actaully read a topic in the Help & Feedback Centre about becoming a mod, where the admins re-iterate time and again, "don't ask us, we'll ask you". I know for a fact that he read that topic because he spammed in it.

Met & Zero appointed me as mod because they knew I could do a good job of keeping the peace, reporting troublesome/stupid threads, etc. I sensed there was going to be some issues with that topic that could be settled one-on-one in AIM, so I closed it.

If AG has a problem with me, or anyone else on the board, he should send them a PM or use a messaging problem such as AIM. I know he's got my AIM s/n, so there was no need to make a private matter public by putting on the forum, much the same way you have with this very topic.

Finally, I abhor that you are basically calling me a coward when you barely even know me or my reasons behind closing the topics that I did. It wouldn't have mattered who'd posted it; Natty, Niko, even freakin' ZeroXcape, with AG essentially provoking an argument (an argument he knew he would lose, no less), closure was to be expected.

[Joshi]

feral, there is such a thing as abusing mod powers and taking them for granted. they can be taken away from you just as awell as have been given to you.

 

first of all, acrylic guitar was asking a question aimed at the general public (or more importantly the users of this forum) and therefore is not spam. you had every right to reply with what you did as i agree that to an extent, acrylic guitar does spam, maybe mroe than the rest of us, but only a little more as we all do it. but fact of the matter was. we all had a right to reply to that topic adn post our comments about the matter. that topic was a question, and i think people will agree that it wasn't spam.

 

secondly, Niko's thread. there was absolutely no need to close that. you said that this decision had little to nothing to do with any of us. it had everything to do with us, we are the ones who are effected by good or crappy moderators and we have a right yo nkow who should be mod and who shouldn't. also, this was a question posted by Niko, again, not spam, he was asking the general forum members if they wanted to be mod, how could it be spam when he was asking us directly? and he is right in asking us and saying that someone needs to replace him because it is true that he's not around as much as we'd like him to be and therefore can't mod as well as he should, and quite frankly, we need more than one moderator for this forum, the forum population has gone down considerably in the opast few months, but we still need more than one mod moderating these forums and niko saw thias which is why he posted that.

[Feral]

I don't feel I've abused my powers. Elaborate, please.

I was going to leave Acrylic's poll open until it became obvious that he was jsut going to use the topic to hold a discussion with me. If he wanted to ask me and me alone where he had spammed, he should have done so through PM or AIM.

And all due respect, but the choice of moderator is not up to us. It's up to the administrators of the board, and I know for a fact that Met knows who he would like to install as moderators. Thus, it is a moot thread, so I closed it. If you're that arsed, though, I'll re-open it.

[Acrylic]

First to Neil and D.D.o.D.(Isak)....thanks alot guys.

 

Ok, its true, sometimes I do spam, I wont lie. Heck, I mean, everybody spams...sometimes. And, maybe I do it a little too often, but I've only been here since June and I am still learning.

 

And Feral, I must say, that you ARE abusing your powers, by replying that I'm spamming and closing down threads that were unnesecary (SP?) to close. Like the NiKo one, or mine even, because I wasnt asking YOU if I'm a spammer, I'm asking the whole friggen public. Hell, you already think I'm a spammer so why would I ask you?

 

And one more thing, about the homophobe thing..... I mean, maybe I'm a little stereo typical, but I dont mean to be. Its how my dad tought me to be. I know I should be less of a homophobe and should learn how gay people are. Its just that something in my mind makes me think that all gay guys would hit on me. I just had a bad experience at school from one gay kid, I just dont want to get into it......but, trust me, I will be more thoughtful and respectful to gay comments and all.

 

Well, I hope that this was not spam to you Feral and I hope I made your day ALOT happier .

 

Have and nice day,

AcrylicGuitar

[Feral]

Sorry, but I'm not abusing my power. As I said in both of my above posts, we don't get to choose who the mods are, only the admins do, and they already know who'd they choose as mods for this forum, so it's a moot topic, but I'll re-open it anyway. And second, the poll, as I said in that topic, was pointless. Was it really worth making a poll to ask if you spam? Why not just ask for people's opinions, get some discussion going?

Alright, here's another reason for closing moot topics:

I'm just trying to initiate some decent conversation around here. We don't need crappy polls about whether people spam or not; we need active discussion, otherwise the place is just going to die. Can't you see? By dumbing down the place with stupid spam and ridiculous polls, we are unwittingly killing the forum. You may say to me "What about games like K-Jo round? They're spam". But the thing is, they make people stay here. This forum will go down the pan unless we try to save it from the cold grasp of stupidity. That's why I like members such as Drunken_Sailor, Neil Joshi and Kjølen; they always have something worth saying. They don't just mindlessly post. And I know we're all capable of decent discussion, because of topics like "Alien Existence", "Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers", and "Human Nature".

If you disagree that we need to keep the forum alive, then we might as well all leave and let it die.

[murta]

God, everyone quit whining. Feral's just being honest and telling his opinion. He's been here alot longer tha you guys and he knows how to mod. To be honest (and you've admitted it to) yes, you do spam. I don't really find it necessary to close AGs topic Feral, unless it's completely useless/abusive or whatever. I can't say who I think would be a good moderator because in the past Zero has gone and surprised me and made certain people moderators, when I don't think they deserved it or would do a good job. Of course, soem of these people went a proved me wrong...

[Kjølen]

Ok, I say that the poll, could be viewed from two different angles, first of all, it could not be spam because he really wanted to know, second, it could be because we're not going to "boo-hoo it's gone!" just becuase it was closed.

 

If a thread that everyone enjoyed was closed, many people would complain, otherwise, few people even care. We're not going to peel over and die because any topic was closed. As for the homophobe thing. Really, if you were raised that way, it still doesn't matter, it still could offend someone. The Feedback forum, well I'll have to check that, most of the times if you want to prove spam, links are vital. *Runs to check* OK, I see now. Yes AC said something pretty much leading off topic, agreed, but there were others. Overall, AC could learn, but not make a big deal about it, things can change. And seriously, who cares about becoming a moderator? I bet 99.9% of the people that ask to become a mod just do to become powerful, not to help people.

 

Spamming in my opinion is:

 

• Posts with 3 words that mean not a lot
  
• Saying random things.
  
• Double posting not long after your last post with no new things to contribute.
  
• Flaming
  

[Brighteyes]

Just wanted to put a post in that was less than 10 paragraphs long

[Kjølen]

See kids? That was another example of spam.

Pff, nice one Brighty.

 

But not a good place to put that seriously.

[Feral]

Hehe...good joke.

But now I need to elaborate so I don't seem hypocritical...

Hmm...

So...

Don't you hate these awkward silences?

 

Anyway, I'm with K-jø here. I'm nto going to re-open the poll, but I accept that I may have been wrong on that count. However, I stand by everything that I have said, including ym reasons for closing it.

[Kjølen]

Ok, Why don't we just stop poting in this thread, (Leaving it open, so your free to post and not blame others for poor moderating), and leave it all be, like this never happened.

 

Now I can't change your thoughts, you may think AG is a spammer, you may thing Feral is a bad moderator, but let us keep it in our heads, deal? Deal.

[Natty]

spam

 

I thought the whole point of NiKo's thread was to open up for suggestions as his replacement as a mod, I'm sure the admins already have thier own thoughts and ideas on who would make a good replacement. IMO though do we really need it? Nothing seriously ever happens here much anymore, not like 2years ago when I first joined and EMI was still a new and huuuuuuge game and there were so many people posting you needed a lot of mods (I'm sure if and when MI5 is announced lots of people will hopefully start posting here again) Even I admit I've thought about giving up my mod powers, sure I still post lots but nothing really ever happens here so I just feel kinda usless in that aspect like a bludger or something

 

Everyone spams sometimes maybe without meaning to. I think you can usually tell when someone deliberatly spams (say Fellas for example) and someone who might spam but doesn't mean to (Arcrylic Guitar) Even I know I spam uslessly sometimes (lets look at my "I hate my hair" topic, that was really unneeded on my behalf)

[Joshi]

feral has explained himself fully for AGs poll, yes, it could have eben dealt with with PM's. but i'm still not too sure about Niko's poll. it is tru that admins are the ones who choose mods, that stands to reason, but if i remember correctly, when i joined here, it was just about the same time Frenchy left and so we needed a new mod. we had a mod vote that time and i can't remember the outcome but i think it worked. Now, Grannen left and so feral became mod without the public (us) knowing, so im' not too sure how this works, can someone please fill me in. but as it stands, i don't think anymroe that feral is abusing his mod powers (quite the contrary, he is using it for what he thinks is moderatiog and in all fairness we haven't had that in a while now).

 

what i'm thinking now is that as a current mod, Niko can suggest mod replacements as ZeroXcape doesn't come by here often but Niko would know if someone was a good choice forr mod.

 

that's my opinion anyway.

[obi]

*leaps in*

 

 

From now on, when you have critisizm, do it constructively. Don't just sit and say the word "Bull****" over and over again.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

*jumps out*

[Al-back from the BigWhoop]

havent been around latelly, and i havent read the whole topic, i got bored after natty's (not because of you, natty, of course ) but i have some stuff to say:

 

 

- closing topics is very annoying, and most mods tend to find this ability quite amazing. again i wanna ask all to PLEASE, CLOSE THE TOPICS ONLY WHEN ITS ABSOLUTELLY NECESSARY

 

- i dont think ANY1 chooses a mod by its moding abilities, its rather a popularity contest (off course, there r exceptions)

i had some exemples, but id rather not say any names, specially now that yall r hot headed.

 

- ESCAPEMI.COM doesnt need intelligent topics to keep going. it just needs convos. any kind. thats y i feel ppl should b encouraged to post ANYTHING they find interesting.

 

 

now i ll b gonne again for a week mayb (sorry if i ddnt post an "im leaving topic" the trip came so sudden, that i ddnt have time.

 

my time in this cybercafe is almost over, so i have to go (damn, 30 min in one topic! lol )

 

cya later pepps!

[Feral]

Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop

- closing topics is very annoying, and most mods tend to find this ability quite amazing. again i wanna ask all to PLEASE, CLOSE THE TOPICS ONLY WHEN ITS ABSOLUTELLY NECESSARY

 

- i dont think ANY1 chooses a mod by its moding abilities, its rather a popularity contest (off course, there r exceptions)

i had some exemples, but id rather not say any names, specially now that yall r hot headed.

 

This just serves as further proof that Al indeed has an IDXT error.

Mods really do only close topics when they see fit. We don't just throw around the "close thread" option like a toy.

And excuse me, but all of the mods on the whole of Lucasforums are chosen for their modding abilities; or, at least, those selected after LF was formed were

[Natty]

I thought the origional mods of each forum were kept after lucasforums was formed? It was just the supermods like Murta or Metallus that were chosen (my understanding coz they posted at a number of forums)

 

Then again silly little Australians don't really understand how the people in the northern hemisphere think, so I'm probably better off ignoring everything. I'll just go with whatever happens

 

Also I think if I remember correctly, when the mods were first assigned wasn't there a lot of outcry coz Fender was chosen as a mod over Feral? (apologies if I'm mistaken and gotten the names mixed up) Many people said that it was unfair since Feral had been here so much longer than basically everyone else. Even I was surprised I was chosen as a mod and had seriously considered giving up my mod position and offering to Feral (I know I had mentioned my considering to do that to someone- think it might have been NiKo but I can't remember) I'm just assuming that since Grannen left, the mods/admins decided now was the time to make Feral a mod (even though I still think he should have been made mod a long long long time ago)

 

Anyways ignore me I have no idea whats going on

[Feral]

When I said "people made mods after LF were formed", I meant on LucasForums as a whole, not just EscapeMI.

[Faith]

Originally posted by The Feral Chicken

When I said "people made mods after LF were formed", I meant on LucasForums as a whole, not just EscapeMI.

 

i fink theyre making a point of that if you wernt "popular" in the forum, you wouldnt be a mod?

 

But on that hand, if you didnt post and stuff... how would peeps know if u wud make a good moderator nehow?

 

But.. thats wot i fink they're getting @!

[Feral]

To quote Max:

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What the hell? No, that's not the point at all. They aren't "getting at" anything. There's nothing to "get at". Popularity really doesn't have that much to do with it.

[Guybrush122]

*brushes off clothes* im back from a painful computer repair...so please, allow me to retort.

 

AHEM

 

Doddle Dude Wap, or Dumb Diddly Dod Dude or whatever the heck your name is, relax. Obviously feral has more power than you in this forum, so, instead of being a total penis aobut it, just mind yourself and try to post more than one or two words. For instance, if you want to say 'good joke' ...make it longer. perhaps a sentence or two.

 

As for Feral, dude, CHILL OUT. You very well know that all the regulars post one or two or three word comments sometimes. I know youre a mod and i know that makes you feel obligated to do something mod-ish but you need to ease up. It is, as Kjo put it, abuse of your powers.

[Guybrush122]

Oh come on, Feral! You're just a tad out of line. I mean, whats the problem with Acrylics behavior? He hasn't offended anyone. Or annoyed anyone. So what if he posts alot? I think thats great of him - it keeps this forum alive!! Not only that, but you say many of his topics/posts arent needed --- but if you think about it from a philosophical point, you should realize that none of our posts or topics are "needed". Jeez, man, lighten up. May everyone speak freely!!!

[Feral]

I'm not too arsed about 2 or 3 words replies if that is all that's required. I do get irritated if somethong requires elaboration and they just put "Yes it is" or whatever.

[Feral]

Acrylic is a moronic spammer, perhaps not so much on this forum, but on the other Lucasforum communities. He has demonstrated homophobia, stupidity, insolence, and yet more stupidity in the last couple of months alone. And this really could havve gone in either the already-created topic or as a PM, or even on AIM. Closing thread. If anyone has a problem with that, you know where to reach me.

Oh, and sorry about the double posts and the problems with post count on the Harbor overview...the server dipped jsut as I was merging the 2 threads