El Sitherino Posted February 7, 2003 Author Share Posted February 7, 2003 hes been found guilty but because of the columbia thing they arent talking about much else. they went over the tape. and he is being jailed. he has gotten a bail bond. but they are awaiting his retrial. i dont know this is confusing me. i think they wanna raise bail but arent. the mother is crazy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 If he's been found guilty, why can he still pay bail? I thought you went to prison, before the sentence (the punishment, not the guilt) is actually decided, and the time you spent was already counted. But he won't be coming out any time soon if found guilty. That is a pretty terrible and sick crime if true imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Funclown, he was arrested one week ago. If his trial is already done with, I'd be suprised. I'd be suprised if it has even started. I can't find much info on this, just what InsaneSith posts, and that's pretty much incoherent. But you're right, if he is found guilty and sentenced, he can't have a bail set for him. Bail is just to make sure a defendant doesn't flee the jurisdiction before trial. I think he's getting charged with sexual assualt on a minor or something like that. I doubt that he's going to prison for a long time. I'd be suprised if he got 5 years, but he'll probaly be out on parole in a few years. If it even takes that long. And I don't think prison is as bad as some of ya'll think. I've only heard a few second hand accounts of it, but I don't think it's all asslovin' and killing childmolestors. Not all prisoners continue to break the law when inside prison, especially when the penalties are increased for inmates. Not everyone who breaks the law is a "criminal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 7, 2003 Author Share Posted February 7, 2003 sorry about being incoherent but well they only talk about things now for like a minute since they just keep spending there time about peices being found in new places. and all that stuff. so im just peiceing little bits i catch. im not all sure about whats going on but they are having like a redo thing for some reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 I watched this unfold on Channel 4 as they caught the guy, etc. My first thought was that this idiot was a 21 year old substitute that was still 14 or 15 in the head. I meet a lot of people that want to work with kids because that's the peer group they identify with. I've also fired a few people for identifying too closely with them. In my job, the adults are the "professional parents" and the kids are the kids. The school district that hired him, in my view, should review it's hiring standards as well as their training standards. Our new employees don't get to be alone with kids until they've received certain training. Even then, they are consistently evaluated and observed for their interactions with kids. If they cannot maintain the rules of the program and become corrupted, they are disciplined or fired. I suspect that this guy got minimal training ("here's a class... make sure everyone has a hallpass if they go to the bathroom") and even less close evaluation of his interactions with kids. An experienced teacher, vice-principal, or counselor would have noticed the signs that he identified too much with the kids. SKinWalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Ok heres why the story doesnt make sense... a girl getting raped in the hall. First indication right there thats its fake. What girl do you know that wouldn't scream and ball her eyes out if she was getting rapped? In most juniour highs there are a few hundred kids... most likely about 4-500. Now don't you think that SOMEONE would have heard? Point proven. Second point... the tape. Now, what junior high school in America do you know, that has enough money to install video cameras in their hallways... Ive heard of cam's in classrooms... but all over the halls? Unlikely... but possible... Third point. It sounds like one of those sex stories you read off some cheasy porno site... no literate person would just walk up and say "Let me show you how to have sex." Its one of those fantasy stories kids make up in their early teen years... but all in all... you people are a prime example of how crappy the American Justice system is... if you can't win in the media you can't win at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 dude this is an alternative school there arent hundreds of kids in it. only like 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 I'm wondering what Luke Skywalker is too. The facts don't really seem to be what you would expect and seems rather fishy. Doesn't seem to add up. On another similar note, one of the teachers when I was in grade four was a paedophile. I was in the other grade 4 class. The interesting thing was that he had a foster child. The teacher was really nice (seemed that way anyway). He used to always talk about his foster child and talk like they were best friends and stuff and brought him into school to meet us a few times. But everytime the teacher wasn't there the foster child used to always say swear words about him and call him a d*ck head. I found it weird how he used to always talk about him that way; since I only knew the teacher at school, not the d*ck head at home (to be nice). I didn't think anything of it at the time since I was only 9 at the time but it does make sense now. The teacher ended up going to jail. He wouldn't be getting treated very well. Australian prisons have an unwritten law about how paedophiles get treated. They are fair game to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Originally posted by InsaneSith isnt that solid evidence? Like Qui-Gon said: Can you give me a link? If it was on a big TV station, then chances are that it's on the web. Skinwalker: I agree that that school should tighten its security and teacher training programs (don't you have a central training program?)... Most schools could do with that, IMO, even those where no charges have been raised... But I don't think that we should just judge him without trial. That would be like living in La Republica de los Bananas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Originally posted by Luke Skywalker Second point... the tape. Now, what junior high school in America do you know, that has enough money to install video cameras in their hallways... Ive heard of cam's in classrooms... but all over the halls? Unlikely... but possible... Actually, the Junior High near me has 14 security cameras, while the High School has 38, so yes it is very possible. Especially in this day in age where stuff like this happens more than what it did or was reported 5-10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar Like Qui-Gon said: Can you give me a link? If it was on a big TV station, then chances are that it's on the web. Skinwalker: I agree that that school should tighten its security and teacher training programs (don't you have a central training program?)... Most schools could do with that, IMO, even those where no charges have been raised... But I don't think that we should just judge him without trial. That would be like living in La Republica de los Bananas... its a video of him raping her they cant show it on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 or was reported Great! You remembered that detail. Most people don't. More power to you. its a video of him raping her they cant show it on tv. Ah, I didn't mean that I wanted to see the tape (as if!). What I want is a link to somewhere that says that this tape has been found. Preferably this link would be to some institution that will get its ass kicked if it uploads something false, so that we have some kind of authensity on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar What I want is a link to somewhere that says that this tape has been found. Preferably this link would be to some institution that will get its ass kicked if it uploads something false, so that we have some kind of authensity on it. I followed this story closely when it broke for a couple of reasons. First, I live in the metropolitan area of this school. Second, the school was an alternative school for the demographic I work with: at risk juveniles. I don't recall ever hearing or reading about the recovery of a video tape, though it is very possible that I missed this news bit. I did a search in GoogleNews for several key words relating to the story and each news ariticle that I could find also did not make mention of a video. If one does exist, however, and if it was recovered as evidence, I would not expect it to be released for anyone not related to the case. And rightfully so. Only the prosecution and the defense should have access and the journalists should stay out of the mix. A man's life hangs in the balance. It could be that the kids in this school are lying. It's been done in the past, especially when faced with a teacher that they disagree with. The guy was a substitute and may have interrupted their "norm" with a new set of standards. Being an alternative school, the students are, for the most part, socially challenged in some way. Meaning, their delinquents or otherwise unable to function behaviorally in regular class at a regular school. On the other hand, it has not been unheard of for a young, male authority figure to take advantage of youth. Preists have done it. Prison guards have done it. Uncles have done it. Stepfathers have done it. Etc. We'll just have to let the legal process take its course in this matter. Either way, David Franklin won't be working with kids anymore in the future. Even if found innocent, its unlikely that an organization will hire him. SkinWalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkum Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 (shudders)(vomtis) that's sick. a teacher and a student, sick. and those kids just watched?? sheesh, call the police! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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