Bushmeister Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 Hmmm, I would agree with that, but its still fun to speculate. We also know that Sal used to have the same job as Manny, but he seems to be a very good person so what could he have done in his life to have him put in a DOD job? Well, at the end of the game you see that Sal had a #9 ticket, so he must have been cheated out of it by the corrupting force he sets out to undermine. Couldn't the same have happened to Manny, afterall he gets on the #9 at the end of the game and says he has his own ticket as a "retirement present". Was he cheated out of his ticket just like Sal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuckey Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 hahahaha criminal said?? His error was having lunch at MI3! ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleto4_ryan Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 I don't know exactly...but manny never sais that he had a ticket all along. It's just that after his great "job" at the DOD he earned a ticket for the number 9.... As for the "I am you. Or rather, I was you, years ago." that doesn't mean that manny had a ticket that was stolen... does that mean that he was part of DOD? or that as i remember i understood...that sal wanted to get out of the land of the dead... "He is manny", as both wants to get out...but "he WAS like manny"(after all) as now he has a duty and liberate the land of the dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherack Nhar Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Originally posted by pleto4_ryan I don't know exactly...but manny never sais that he had a ticket all along. It's just that after his great "job" at the DOD he earned a ticket for the number 9.... As for the "I am you. Or rather, I was you, years ago." that doesn't mean that manny had a ticket that was stolen... does that mean that he was part of DOD? or that as i remember i understood...that sal wanted to get out of the land of the dead... "He is manny", as both wants to get out...but "he WAS like manny"(after all) as now he has a duty and liberate the land of the dead It's never explicitely mentionned in the game that Manny had a ticket all along, but there are so many hints in the game pointing to that theory that we can simply assume it. After all, why WOULDN'T Hector steal Manny's ticket? Manny hasn't done anything bad back in the land of the living that he can remember... He isn't a shady character like Nick Virago, Maximino, Hector, or Domino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 One thing that stuck out in my mind throughout the whole game, is whenever Manny looks at the Bone Wagon, he says, "You know, if I had a car like this when I was alive, things would have been different." Different how? The Bone Wagon is a big fancy souped-up car. Who drives souped-up fancy cars? People who are either good mechanics and can make it themselves or are wealthy enough to afford something fancy. Perhaps Manny had it tough when he was alive and had to make ends meet any way that was necessary. Perhaps he had done something that was bad enough to get him into the DOD, but didn't seem like it at the time, which could provide a theory as to why he didn't really know why he was working there. If things had been different when he was alive, perhaps his life would have been better and he wouldn't be working at the DOD. And also recall the character development that took place. In the beginning, Meche is the good client that he needs to get him out of there. So he starts out after her for his personal gain. But once he gets to Rubacava, he can't just sit around waiting for her, he has to do something - move on with his life/death, so to speak. (That cutscene at the end of Year 1 had a powerful effect on me.) As time goes on, he makes some friends, and meets up with some interesting people. After he meets up with Meche and especially during Year 4, it's less about him getting to the Ninth Underworld by himself and more about his helping others get there as well by finding the missing Number Nine tickets and righting the wrong that is the crime and corruption in the Land of the Dead. The beauty about all this is that we'll never ever know why he was there in the first place or what his past was like. And that makes for some interesting discussions! BTW, I just finished the game for the first time ever a couple days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawidos Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Manny didn't know why he was at the DoD. Is was important ,because he forgot about past ,so he had new target in live (death , doesn't matter ). Maybe he was serial killer or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 I'm torn really. On one hand, Manny could have been conned out of his ticket like everybody else (including Salvador) and forced into the dead-end job at the DoD. This would explain why he has no idea what he did wrong in life - because it was stolen from him. However, if this was true then there would have been a ticket for Manny in the suitcase at the end of the game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that either Hector or Manny say that the case contains all of the stolen tickets from the good souls. Even Salvador's ticket was in there, and he was forced into the DoD through having his ticket stolen way before Manny (we know this because Salvador must have worked at the DoD before Manny's time since Manny doesn't recognise him, but we know Manny has been there a long while due to the fact that he used to be "at the top"). So yeah, it could be either. He might be an innocent soul, or he could have done something not so bad in life which resulting him not getting a ticket and he doesn't know quite what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawidos Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Hnmmm ,but you forgot about one thing. In suitcase ,which contains stolen tickets there wasn't one for Manny. So his ticket wasn't stolen. At the end of game , he got one ticket as reward for his sacrifice , I think. But I don't know English very good , so I can mistake in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 How did I forget that? I just made a point of it in my above post. This would explain why he has no idea what he did wrong in life - because it was stolen from him. However, if this was true then there would have been a ticket for Manny in the suitcase at the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawidos Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Ups ,sorry. . But we have right - Manny ticket wasn't stolen. He worked in DOD , because he was a bad men in life ,so job as travel agent was his punishment. Greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Yes, the complication is that Manny says he does not know why he ended up in the DoD. That implies that he doesn't know what he did in life that was bad, but surely he would remember if he did something particularly bad. It can't really be explained since there are two conflicting sides to the story. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawidos Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 I read in polish magazines about Grim Fandango story. They have written that only a very bad people ,who have "hard" sins ended up as worker of DOD. So I think that Manny was serial killer or terrorist. But that doesn't matter in Grim Fandango. That game shows Manny as a good dead ,who tries repair life evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theburglar Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 heres something for ur braincell to think about... Manny said that if he had that car his life would have been different. Lets assume he could not have afford it. Manny did not get a ticket. Lets assume this should have happened. Manny could have been a thief, to get money. He might of thought this was not a bad thing, BUT bad enough to get rid of his ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 Originally posted by theburglar Manny could have been a thief, to get money. He might of thought this was not a bad thing, BUT bad enough to get rid of his ticket. That's kind of what I had in mind in my post earlier. This would explain why he has no idea what he did wrong in life - because it was stolen from him. However, if this was true then there would have been a ticket for Manny in the suitcase at the end of the game. again. Also, at one point when he's talking to Meche about the tickets, he says something like, "There'll be no ticket for me." This implies that he knows that things were bad enough during his life to take away his ticket and if he's unable to work off his debt, he's not going anywhere. But then when he looks in the suitcase (during which time Salvador's ticket jumps out), he sighs and says, "just as I thought - no ticket for me." Or something to that effect. An ounce of hope that maybe there had been an error somewhere and he really did have a ticket all along. But alas, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theburglar Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 do you think we are being too serious?I mean, llucas arts may have put him at the DOD to make a story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushmeister Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 What I want to know is if all the #9 tickets were in the suitcase, and Manny didn't seem to have one there, then how the hell did he get one at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 He said that the department fixed him up with one. However, although we know that Manny has been a good soul throughout the game - how did they know that? So that leads me to believe that they knew Manny was supposed to have one but it was someone stolen/sold before he got it. Either that or they can magically create tickets which work for whoever they wish (although I thought that they only were attracted to their owners). Confuzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theburglar Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 He took it from the suit case. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 False tickets (ie: ones that don't belong to you) result in you not being allowed into the next underworld, the train would turned into a fiery demon and took them to hell - or something would have happened. Plus Manny says that the deparment gave him one - why would he lie about that? We know him, he's generally not a liar in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Originally posted by theburglar do you think we are being too serious? Probably! I've had debates and discussion on quality non-LucasArts games as well. Makes the game into more than it is. You can't just stop after the ending sequence plays! Although the Department itself seemed less like a department and more like a casino at the end, I think Manny's ticket was the result of his helping Meche. She was that premium client that he needed to get out of there. So that's where his ticket from the department came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Good point! The whole reason he went after her was to get his ticket out of there, and he achieved that goal - and met his love. Interesting, I never really thought about that. And yes, we are taking it too seriously. But hell, if we're still discussing and enjoying the game 5 years from release it must be getting obessive, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabb Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Who says all the tickets ever were in the suitcase anyway? I doubt a pair of reapers could handle all the deaths in the world. And yes, I'm being annoying. Also, if you're sent to the fiery pits of hell for boarding with a purchased ticket, and most of the tickets were in fact stolen, then isn't there a good chance that some evil no-gooder boarded the train with Manuel and Mercedes? And what about the potentially honorable people that boarded with their own ticket alongside Nick, or perhaps those who had to purchase a ticket because they were cheated out of their own? And as far as I can see it, Manny clearly got his ticket from the big giant talking statue head outside the train station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushmeister Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 I think those is are interesting ideas, but when we see Nick on the #9 train, it is year three, and by then I would think that Hector LeMans must have pretty much total control over the DoD (which he probably had for a while) and I doubt that anyone is given there ticket anymore, with the money Hector stands to make selling them and the amount he could amass by doing so. And yes I agree, the suitcase couldn't have held all the genuine tickets could it? I mean, Sal had noticed corruption in the DoD years before Manny even was around, so there must have been many more than just one suitcase's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Well I just looked at the script and the exact quote is "The company gave me one on the other end; sort of a retirement present." So I'd assume that he worked off his debt to society through the game and/or finding Meche, earning his ticket - whatever happened to his original ticket I doubt we'll ever know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Obsessive? I just purchased the game a few weeks ago and finished it 5 days ago, so I'm new blood with new ideas here. I can't speak for the rest of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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