munik Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 Dude, I could fill 10 pages here in this post with dead peoples names, and not one of them died of drugs. JM Qui-Gon Jinn And at the last, I would just like to say a few words. If you make "lighter" drugs legal, then it is more likely that people will try them, yes? And if people try them, it is likely that they will do it again. And if they've done it two times, it is even more likely they will do it again, because if you use it, you'll get used to it, and it's not scary anymore, it's just "cool". So the drug users will do it more times. And more often. Often more drugs. And they will damage the brain beyond repair. This is an assumption of your own. Someone will do it again if they like it. They won't do it again just because they did it once. That makes no sense. And of course, people do lots of stupid things when using high amounts of these "lighter" drugs. I may mention an 11-year old girl who was killed by a person high on pot. The highness was the reason for the murder.Maybe you could also mention the court that allowed the defense attorney to use "high on pot" as a defense. Or is this another assumption as well? And not only that, we know perfectly well that the "lighter" drugs often leads to heavier drugs, wich causes deaths all the time, and of course permanent damage to your body."lighter" drugs don't lead to heavier drugs. You made that up, or are repeating crap made up by someone else. You can't assume everyone knows perfectly well a lie. Well, I guess you can, since you seem to assume alot of stuff. But someone who is trying to debate or prove a point can't use inane and obviously false information, unless you believe we are all retards or that this is some DARE seminar and we are all children. XERXES after using LSD the first time back when i was about 15 i could deffinately tell i had changed personality wise. I sensed the world in a different way that i was used to. Its weird. I think I changed, at least in my head, after I took hallucinigens. I like to call it the opening of my third eye. A positive experience, everytime, in my belief. But not one I would recomend for someone who is young, as I think 15 is too young, but that is only my personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 Originally posted by munik This is an assumption of your own. Someone will do it again if they like it. They won't do it again just because they did it once. That makes no sense. If they have done it once, they won't be fearing doing it again. And again. And again. And again. Maybe you could also mention the court that allowed the defense attorney to use "high on pot" as a defense. Or is this another assumption as well? Luckily, in this country, being high is no defense in such cases. But we know perfectly well that it was the reason, however. "lighter" drugs don't lead to heavier drugs. You made that up, or are repeating crap made up by someone else. You can't assume everyone knows perfectly well a lie. Well, I guess you can, since you seem to assume alot of stuff. But someone who is trying to debate or prove a point can't use inane and obviously false information, unless you believe we are all retards or that this is some DARE seminar and we are all children. I have my information from people who have studied medicine for at least ten years. You have your "information" completely from what you want to belive, as you have nothing to back it up. Who is assuming things? Certainly not me. If you belive my information is false, then come with anything to back your statements instead of just saying "You are wrong, I am right". You belive precisely what you want to belive, and I can't change it. I have nothing to gain by telling lies, neither has the goverment. All the people I have seen that think all this is lies, have something to gain by doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted March 29, 2003 Author Share Posted March 29, 2003 Yeah but when people OD all the time from drugs, it is not lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn I have my information from people who have studied medicine for at least ten years. You have your "information" completely from what you want to belive, as you have nothing to back it up. Who is assuming things? Certainly not me. If you belive my information is false, then come with anything to back your statements instead of just saying "You are wrong, I am right". You belive precisely what you want to belive, and I can't change it. I have nothing to gain by telling lies, neither has the goverment. All the people I have seen that think all this is lies, have something to gain by doing that. I never said I was right about anything. Just that you are wrong. As for having something to back it up, I already made a post stating the fallacy of "pot is a gateway drug" when you previously made this false statement. It takes a bold man to say I have nothing backing it up when anyone who has read this thread knows I already did that. I'm surprised that you actually want me to "back up" my refutations. You know, because you will never give us a reliable source for any of the garbage you post. Oh, you can say stuff like "thousands of doctors" and "studied medicine for at least ten years". But that doesn't show me anything. Give me a source, hell, lets go crazy and give me two reliable sources backing up any of the claims you make. As I've said before, I'm not trying to prove to you that any drug is good. I'm just pointing out to those that you are preaching to that your information isn't entirely correct. If that bothers you, prove me wrong. Show everyone where, or rather who, you got this information from. 'Cause god knows you didn't gather this information yourself. In fact, you have nothing but second hand stories and no experiences to relate to us. You are a plethora of non-existant knowledge. It's like that game where everyone sits in a circle, and one person whispers a story into anothers ear, and then he turns to the next person and whispers the story, and so on. Then at the end the story gets told out loud, and then compared to the original, and everyone gets a laugh at all the mutations of it. You are nothing but a person in the middle, mutating the story as you pass it along. You may have nothing to gain by telling lies, but that sure as sh*t isn't stopping you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted March 29, 2003 Author Share Posted March 29, 2003 Both of you need to chill out right now. That being said, I agree that both of you need to start hyperlinking some sources to back your arguments. My experience comes from the people who have fallen around me. I lived with a girl that did drugs. I cleaned her up and helped her start over, then she fell into drugs again and now she is dead, and left a daughter behind. I think that is a reputible source enough. And alot of my favorite bands do drugs, and somebody always dies too. This is why I choose not to do them. If I die, I would rather get hit by a bus, or shot in the back of the head. I am not going to die, by showing others that I lost a battle to subtance abuse. _Groovy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 I have no argument to link to. I'm just pointing out errors by highliting the errouneous statements. I'm good like that. I've known people who have died from drugs as well. I've known some scummy people who have done drugs, too. I am not saying that you are wrong for not doing drugs for this reason, just that in general this is not a very stable argument to not do drugs. People don't don't die from doing drugs the right way. It's called overdosing, not correctdosing. Drugs don't make you do anything, people make concious choices to do the scummy things they do when they take drugs. If you decide to put fault into whatever drug you were currently taking when you performed whatever stupid action you did, you were not mentally mature enough to take that drug. If you cannot accept responsiblity for your actions, not only are you too mentally immature to take any drugs, you most likely should not be allowed to function in society. So sayeth Munik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 Originally posted by munik I have no argument to link to. I'm just pointing out errors by highliting the errouneous statements. I'm good like that. I've known people who have died from drugs as well. I've known some scummy people who have done drugs, too. I am not saying that you are wrong for not doing drugs for this reason, just that in general this is not a very stable argument to not do drugs. People don't don't die from doing drugs the right way. It's called overdosing, not correctdosing. Drugs don't make you do anything, people make concious choices to do the scummy things they do when they take drugs. If you decide to put fault into whatever drug you were currently taking when you performed whatever stupid action you did, you were not mentally mature enough to take that drug. If you cannot accept responsiblity for your actions, not only are you too mentally immature to take any drugs, you most likely should not be allowed to function in society. So sayeth Munik. W3RD. munik knows quite a bit. the people that die are dead because, as in their medical reports, they overdosed on the drug. granted the hard drugs like cocaine and heroine are dangerous but only depending on how you take them. if you snort kool-aid your nose will bleed. its not the drug itself but the method and the amount you take. weed though isnt much of a harmful drug. its not as bad as people say. actually my friend who works at Parsons Medical College has done a study and it showed that if anything 4 cigarettes = 1 joint. (pure joint) many of the people that died smoking weed had joints laced with crack which is dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 Dangerous, but oh so much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 Originally posted by munik Dangerous, but oh so much fun. yeah kinda like driving or riding an airplane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Originally posted by Darth Groovy Yeah but when people OD all the time from drugs, it is not lies. when a person ODs on smack or crack or other drugs that you can OD on easily...its partilly the users fault. Yes I know that smack can kill you even the first time you use it...but it still has something to do with the user. Are they responsible enough to take only non-lethal doses, if they are dumb enough to snort lines of smack or meth or coke or whatever all night and OD on it...fine by me. Most people who die when they are rolling (on X) it is because they are at a rave party or whatever...and their body becomes physically weak and dehydrated because they are rolling and they have all that energey or whatever i dunno. Lots of other drugs you cant OD on, pot for example...youd have to smoke so much of it, it just becomes unrealistic, it just isnt possible. my final word: if your gona use drugs...use them responsibly. please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 http://www.teen-anon.iwarp.com/marijuana.htm http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/moreharmful.jsp http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/schizophrenia.jsp http://www.geocities.com/healthmoon/smoking-marijuana/diseases.htm http://library.thinkquest.org/J002597/marijuana.htm?tqskip1=1&tqtime=0331 And especially this one: http://www.amsa.org/resource/natlinit/marijuana.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted March 31, 2003 Author Share Posted March 31, 2003 Originally posted by munik I have no argument to link to. I'm just pointing out errors by highliting the errouneous statements. I'm good like that. I've known people who have died from drugs as well. I've known some scummy people who have done drugs, too. I am not saying that you are wrong for not doing drugs for this reason, just that in general this is not a very stable argument to not do drugs. People don't don't die from doing drugs the right way. It's called overdosing, not correctdosing. Drugs don't make you do anything, people make concious choices to do the scummy things they do when they take drugs. If you decide to put fault into whatever drug you were currently taking when you performed whatever stupid action you did, you were not mentally mature enough to take that drug. If you cannot accept responsiblity for your actions, not only are you too mentally immature to take any drugs, you most likely should not be allowed to function in society. So sayeth Munik. It is not like that vile of crack or tab of acid comes with directions on the back for correct dosage. The Vikings used to dose heavily on ergot, a fungus that grows on trees. They would eat this stuff and piss it into a bowl and drink it, because it enhanced the effect of the dose. Then they used to go on killing and raping sprees. Sound healthy to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn http://www.teen-anon.iwarp.com/marijuana.htm http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/moreharmful.jsp http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/schizophrenia.jsp http://www.geocities.com/healthmoon/smoking-marijuana/diseases.htm http://library.thinkquest.org/J002597/marijuana.htm?tqskip1=1&tqtime=0331 And especially this one: http://www.amsa.org/resource/natlinit/marijuana.cfm http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml the real deal...seriously. and befoer you go ranting on about how weed is bad...tobacco is just as bad (worse IMO), yet its legal. http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/tobacco.htm What are the long-term effects of smoking tobacco? Tobacco and smoking cause long-term damage to your health and can kill. Smoking causes chest problems, cancer, infertility and heart disease. Smoking may also lead to an earlier menopause. Lung cancer is the cancer most associated with smoking. Lung cancer kills more people than any other type of cancer and at least 80% of these deaths are caused by smoking. However, there are other types of cancer, which can be caused by smoking, these include: cancer of the mouth, lip and throat, cervical cancer, anal cancer, pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer and leukaemia. Tobacco contributes to at least 2000 limb amputations each year. Smoking will also raise your blood cholesterol levels and blood pressure and these 2 factors are the main 2 reasons why people get coronary heart disease. Smoking accounts for 30,000 heart disease deaths in the U.K. every year. http://www.smith.edu/ourhealthourfutures/tobacco.html i may have smoked weed quite a lot in my past...but i am damn proud to say that i have never smoked a cigarette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Originally posted by Darth Groovy It is not like that vile of crack or tab of acid comes with directions on the back for correct dosage. The Vikings used to dose heavily on ergot, a fungus that grows on trees. They would eat this stuff and piss it into a bowl and drink it, because it enhanced the effect of the dose. Then they used to go on killing and raping sprees. Sound healthy to you? You're right, drugs don't come with directions. That doesn't mean a person is free of fault when they take too much. I learn about drugs before I take them. I search for information, and ask for information. I do not give anyone drugs without clear warnings of the effects, side effects, dosage, etc. If someone does not care about being informed of the drug they plan to take, then they do not care about any negative effects that may come from taking said drug. Ignorance is not an excuse. As for your Vikings and ergot, sounds like a completely fabricated story. Without even verifying, just off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure that ergot is a mold that appears on rye bread. It is also a source of lsd-25. While eating moldy rye bread isn't a good idea to get stoned, it will most likely make you trip. But the negative side effects are not worth it, especially since it is much easier to buy lsd-25 in its isolated form. And as for drinking the piss, the only time I have ever heard of this is of eskimos(I know this isn't exact) in northern asia maybe that eat the fly agaric mushroom. They then drink their piss because the chemical that gets them high does so by altering something in the brain, then that chemical passes out of the system. So drinking your piss would be like taking another dose. But in the real world, people can just go and buy or get another dose, it's not necessary to drink your own piss. Also, one shouldn't eat the fly agaric, it's dangerous. XERXES, I am an avid reader of the vaults of erowid, but I won't put the link here as I know most people who disagree with me won't believe what's there. Shared knowledge regarding drugs is a great source for clearing up any ignorance, but when you have been brainwashed your whole life it is hard to change, and only those who are above the level of sheep will be enlightened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Originally posted by munik XERXES, I am an avid reader of the vaults of erowid, but I won't put the link here as I know most people who disagree with me won't believe what's there. Shared knowledge regarding drugs is a great source for clearing up any ignorance, but when you have been brainwashed your whole life it is hard to change, and only those who are above the level of sheep will be enlightened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Originally posted by XERXES http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml the real deal...seriously. and befoer you go ranting on about how weed is bad...tobacco is just as bad (worse IMO), yet its legal. http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/tobacco.htm http://www.smith.edu/ourhealthourfutures/tobacco.html i may have smoked weed quite a lot in my past...but i am damn proud to say that i have never smoked a cigarette. I do belive tobacco should be banned anyway. But marijuana is worse: "Marijuana cigarettes contain four to five times as much of certain cancer-causing substances as tobacco cigarettes. " "As marijuana is inhaled and held in the lungs, repeated use can damage the lungs and heart. Marijuana users may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have, such as chronic bronchitis and inflamed sinuses. While all of the long-term effects of marijuana use are not yet known, there are studies showing serious health concerns. For example, a group of scientists in California examined the health status of 450 daily smokers of marijuana but not tobacco. They found that the marijuana smokers had more sick days and more doctor visits for respiratory problems and other types of illness than did a similar group who did not smoke either substance. As to long-term effects of marijuana use, findings so far show that the regular use of marijuana or THC may play a role in cancer and problems in the respiratory, immune, and nervous systems." "Smoking marijuana causes some changes in the brain that are like those caused by cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. Some researchers believe that these changes may put a person more at risk of becoming addicted to other drugs, such as cocaine or heroin. Long-term studies of high school students and their patterns of drug use show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana. For example, the risk of using cocaine is 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it. Using marijuana puts children and teens in contact with people who are users and sellers of other drugs. So there is more of a risk that a marijuana user will be exposed to and urged to try more drugs." "Many researchers fear that marijuana damages brain cells, and the long-term effects are still being researched. In laboratory research, scientists found that high doses of THC given to young rats caused a loss of brain cells such as that seen with aging. At 11 or 12 months of age (about half their normal life span), the rats' brains looked like those of animals in old age. It is not known whether a similar effect occurs in humans. Researchers are still learning about the many ways that marijuana could affect the brain." "Scientists do not yet know how the use of marijuana relates to mental illness. Some researchers in Sweden report that regular, long-term intake of THC (from cannabis) can increase the risk of developing certain mental diseases, such as schizophrenia. Others maintain that regular marijuana use can lead to chronic anxiety, personality disturbances, and depression. Some frequent, long-term marijuana users show signs of a lack of motivation (amotivational syndrome). Their problems include not caring about what happens in their lives, no desire to work regularly, fatigue, and a lack of concern about how they look. As a result of these symptoms, some users tend to perform poorly in school or at work." "Marijuana has adverse effects on many of the skills for driving a car. Driving while high can lead to car accidents. This is because marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road. There is data showing that marijuana can play an important role in crashes. When users combine marijuana with alcohol, as they often do, the hazards of driving can be more severe than with either drug alone. A study of patients in a shock-trauma unit who had been in traffic accidents revealed that 15 percent of those who had been driving a car or motorcycle had been smoking marijuana, and another 17 percent had both THC and alcohol in their blood. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine. Data also show that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink." "Doctors advise pregnant women not to use any drugs because they might harm the growing fetus. One animal study has linked marijuana use to loss of the fetus very early in pregnancy. Some scientific studies have found that babies born to marijuana users were shorter, weighed less, and had smaller head sizes than those born to mothers who did not use the drug. Smaller babies are more likely to develop health problems. Other scientists have found effects of marijuana that resemble the features of fetal alcohol syndrome. There are also research findings that show nervous system problems in children of mothers who smoked marijuana. Researchers are not certain whether a newborn baby's health problems, if they are caused by marijuana, will continue as the child grows. Preliminary research shows that children born to mothers who used marijuana regularly during pregnancy may have trouble concentrating. When a nursing mother uses marijuana, some of the THC is passed to the baby in her breast milk. This is a matter for concern, since the THC in the mother's milk is much more concentrated than that in the mother's blood. One study has shown that the use of marijuana by a mother during the first month of breastfeeding can impair the infant's motor development (control of muscle movement)." And especially note this: "For example, the risk of using cocaine is 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it.". Not leading to harder drugs, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnopio? Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 And especially note this: "For example, the risk of using cocaine is 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it.". Not leading to harder drugs, eh? Nope, not leading to harder drugs. It's simply the easiest drug to get, and one of the first that people try. Before trying coke, almost every user tried pot. But most people who smoke pot don't try coke. I'm not good at getting my point across through text.... but a nerd isn't going to try coke. It'll be someone who is connected to drugs somehow, and who doesn't have a problem with breaking the law or doing drugs. This person will likely have tried pot first because it's more easily available. This doesn't mean that most people who smoke pot will do coke. Its funny that you think you know everything about something you've never done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn I do belive tobacco should be banned anyway. But marijuana is worse: "Marijuana cigarettes contain four to five times as much of certain cancer-causing substances as tobacco cigarettes. " So one joint is equal to four cigarettes regarding cancer? So, if on average I smoke 10 cigarettes a day(I do), then I would have to smoke 2 1/2 joints a day as well to equal the cancer causing effects. In reality, I smoke a half a joint about every three days. Which would be equal to smoking 2 cigarettes every three days. So, if I smoked one, or none, cigarattes a day, I would hardly consider myself a smoker. At risk for cancer, sure, but not something that would be considered. What I'm saying is that most people don't smoke joints every hour or so. So the effect of maybe getting cancer from weed is so miniscule that it's not much to worry about. Most of your paragraphs are filled with speculation, or opinion, and most of the tests were done on animals, not humans. I don't see any studies that are named, or any doctors. Just because you put quotation marks around the paragraphs does not mean those are reliable statements. For all we know you could have just typed those off the top of your head (but I know for sure that you didn't, as those paragraphs are filled with uncertain words, and I'm sure you would embellish with statements overflowing in surety). I could just copy/paste your post, and alter the paragraphs to the positive, and that should be equally as reliable, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 Originally posted by munik Most of your paragraphs are filled with speculation, or opinion, and most of the tests were done on animals, not humans. I don't see any studies that are named, or any doctors. Just because you put quotation marks around the paragraphs does not mean those are reliable statements. For all we know you could have just typed those off the top of your head (but I know for sure that you didn't, as those paragraphs are filled with uncertain words, and I'm sure you would embellish with statements overflowing in surety). I could just copy/paste your post, and alter the paragraphs to the positive, and that should be equally as reliable, right? I took them from this site: http://www.amsa.org/resource/natlinit/marijuana.cfm Surely, the American Medical Student Association is more reliable than your non-excisting sources, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 Ok, let me say this once again for you. I do not have any sources because I am not making any claims that need sources. I am merely pointing out the fallacy in your statements by using either A: The ability to see that most of your statements can be proven false by logic alone, and B: My own experience, which gives me the knowledge that you do not possess. Now, as I have never heard of the American Medical Student Association before, I decided to check out that link. That article was written by Melisse Leung, a pre med student. She does not list any sources for the few studies she alludes to. It is no more then an opinion piece, a far cry from a real conclusive article. The AMSA is a student orginization that has chapters at many colleges. One of their prime goals is politcal activism. Basically encouraging the idealogy of it's student members. Also, I found this on the AMSA website in the Preamble Purposes and Principles Regarding Use of Illegal Drugs, Alcohol and Tobacco: 1. SUPPORTS the legislation of cannabis as a Schedule II drug for emperically validated medicinal use in the most effective form for the individual; (1999) 2. SUPPORTS the legalization of cannabis for medicinal use in the most effective form for the individual. (1999) Doesn't sound like the AMSA has too much of a problem with marijuana. I also find that an opinion article written by a college student that is posted on the website of a student orginization for political activism to hardly be a reliable source. There is in fact no support that I could find by the AMSA regarding Melisse Leung's article. This is just another example of you latching on to someone else's ideals and attempting to use them as support for your own twisted agenda against drug use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted April 3, 2003 Author Share Posted April 3, 2003 Originally posted by munik You're right, drugs don't come with directions. That doesn't mean a person is free of fault when they take too much. I learn about drugs before I take them. I search for information, and ask for information. I do not give anyone drugs without clear warnings of the effects, side effects, dosage, etc. If someone does not care about being informed of the drug they plan to take, then they do not care about any negative effects that may come from taking said drug. Ignorance is not an excuse. As for your Vikings and ergot, sounds like a completely fabricated story. Without even verifying, just off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure that ergot is a mold that appears on rye bread. It is also a source of lsd-25. While eating moldy rye bread isn't a good idea to get stoned, it will most likely make you trip. But the negative side effects are not worth it, especially since it is much easier to buy lsd-25 in its isolated form. And as for drinking the piss, the only time I have ever heard of this is of eskimos(I know this isn't exact) in northern asia maybe that eat the fly agaric mushroom. They then drink their piss because the chemical that gets them high does so by altering something in the brain, then that chemical passes out of the system. So drinking your piss would be like taking another dose. But in the real world, people can just go and buy or get another dose, it's not necessary to drink your own piss. Also, one shouldn't eat the fly agaric, it's dangerous. XERXES, I am an avid reader of the vaults of erowid, but I won't put the link here as I know most people who disagree with me won't believe what's there. Shared knowledge regarding drugs is a great source for clearing up any ignorance, but when you have been brainwashed your whole life it is hard to change, and only those who are above the level of sheep will be enlightened. Well, that would explain why I could not find a good link. I do remember my Biology professor telling that to us last semester, but I have called him on an error a few times. I stand correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnopio? Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Well it seems this post is dead. Munik pwned the antidrug side. Hey! Slavery was abolished a long time ago, last time I checked... -C' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrackan Solo Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 I had three friends who got into pot from there older brothers. One friend gave it to the other friend and they got addicted, then we were at a strip mall at night and they started to light up, i declined because I didnt want my mom to smell smoke on my shirt, it was the best decision i have made in my whole pathetic life, because the next day there parents caught them, then a week later our school found out about it, our school has a low tolerance for drugs, and they got expelled immediately. Now two are clean, and the other is addicted to cigs, marijuana can ruin good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnopio? Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 I had three friends who got into pot from there older brothers. One friend gave it to the other friend and they got addicted, then we were at a strip mall at night and they started to light up, i declined because I didnt want my mom to smell smoke on my shirt, it was the best decision i have made in my whole pathetic life, because the next day there parents caught them, then a week later our school found out about it, our school has a low tolerance for drugs, and they got expelled immediately. Now two are clean, and the other is addicted to cigs, marijuana can ruin good people. Sorry your friends got busted, yeah marijuana prohibition sucks. Also sorry your friend is smoking cigs.. dumb thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 Originally posted by Kinnopio? Well it seems this post is dead. Munik pwned the antidrug side. Ok, let me say this once again for you. I do not have any sources because I am not making any claims that need sources. So basically, if I said the world is round, and you said that it isn't, then you'd be right because you're "not making any claims that need sources"? Seems pretty odd to me. I am merely pointing out the fallacy in your statements by using either A: The ability to see that most of your statements can be proven false by logic alone, Hehe, tell me more about this one, this will be fun to hear. and B: My own experience, which gives me the knowledge that you do not possess. Your own experience does not give you more knowledge on the long-term damages of marijuana. Also, I found this on the AMSA website in the Preamble Purposes and Principles Regarding Use of Illegal Drugs, Alcohol and Tobacco: 1. SUPPORTS the legislation of cannabis as a Schedule II drug for emperically validated medicinal use in the most effective form for the individual; (1999) 2. SUPPORTS the legalization of cannabis for medicinal use in the most effective form for the individual. (1999) So, they support cannabis for medical use, not private. I do not, however, since there are medicines that are just as effective as cannabis. I also find that an opinion article written by a college student that is posted on the website of a student orginization for political activism to hardly be a reliable source. There is in fact no support that I could find by the AMSA regarding Melisse Leung's article. This is just another example of you latching on to someone else's ideals and attempting to use them as support for your own twisted agenda against drug use. Well, if people were to pick that much on internet sites, no sites would be any reliable. Nevertheless, the sources I give to you are much better than the sources you won't give me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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