Lundquist Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 So at last I got the new brass library, and that means I'm now ready to begin on a new version of the ST. But before I do, I'd like to hear all the things you'd like me to change. Throw all the critizism you have at me - anything from amount of reverb, instrument volumes, instrument selection etc. (I experimentet a lot with the soundtrack trying different things - some of you may have better ideas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 Just give me a shout (here) when it's ready, then I'll organise for it to be uploaded to the site and replace the old version. Looking forward to listening to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 Right before the string selection of Mohc - The Final Battle, either lose the two brass notes, or convert them to strings as well. My only real complaint about your work... EDIT - Read the below post. I must say leave the strings solo in Mohc - The Final Battle... It was different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddy Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Go heavier on the brass. The brass should overpower the strings in tracks like the main theme. IMHO, the strings and percussion seem to overpower the brass in the theme, which doesn't seem to give it as much oomf as I remember it having in the original game. Williams used heavy brass more than anything (espeically french horns, as my mom would say), so use lots of brass. Though, that doesn't mean you should quit using strings, there are still good parts in the sound track for strings, I just feel that the brass should be more overpowering and carry the melody more than the strings should (as they do in any other 'Wars sound track). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundquist Posted April 18, 2003 Author Share Posted April 18, 2003 More power to the brass, got it. I think I'll add some bass trombones as well to give the brass section more sizzle(sp?) the brass samples I used last time was sampled from a brass section with 3 trumpets 4 french horns 3 tenor trombones and 1 tuba - the ones I'll use now are 4 trumpets 8 french horns 6 tenor trombones 2 bass trombones and 2 tubas - so the brass should have a bigger sound. I'll post a sample soon, to hear some opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddy Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Another thing I forgot to mention was that the choir voices are a tad bit too stringy. I don't know much about synth so I don't know if that can be fixed or not. They should also be a little louder when they have the medley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Yeah, big brass makes Star Wars music good You do have to pay a small fortune to get good vocal sounds. Infact, even from professionals, I've never heard a decent vocal/choir sound... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddy Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Oh, oh well. At least the choir voices aren't used too much in the sound track, though it's been a while since I've listened to the entire soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Linux Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by Lundquist More power to the brass, got it. I think I'll add some bass trombones as well to give the brass section more sizzle(sp?) the brass samples I used last time was sampled from a brass section with 3 trumpets 4 french horns 3 tenor trombones and 1 tuba - the ones I'll use now are 4 trumpets 8 french horns 6 tenor trombones 2 bass trombones and 2 tubas - so the brass should have a bigger sound. I'll post a sample soon, to hear some opinions. In real life, 8 french horns would be louder than all those other brass instruments combined when they play in their upper register. A more realistic brass section would be: 6 trumpets (2 on each part) 4 french horns (2 on each part) 4 tenor bones (2 each part) 1 bass bone 2 baritone/euphonium 2 tuba that will balance out the fr. horns which are HELLA loud. Horns are a pretty characteristic voice in Johnny T.'s arrangements though, so you do want those loud, but trust me 4 of them are plenty loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundquist Posted April 24, 2003 Author Share Posted April 24, 2003 Don't worry, I'll use 4 most of the way, but I'm considering using the 8 when themes like 'rebel spaceship fanfare' make an appearance. I remember the last time I was at a concert when they played Star Wars, the brass section was: 6 French Horns 5 Trumpets 2 Tenor Bones 1 Bass Bone 1Tuba somewhat untraditional, but it sounded awesome. about the choir, personally I think this library sounds pretty good: http://www.angelfire.com/music4/gffrpg/choirsample.mp3 I have that now btw, though it's a pain to create words with. anywho, I'd like comments on this demo, if the volume levels reverb etc. is ok or need more tweaking? http://www.angelfire.com/music4/gffrpg/mohc.mp3 I must admit though, that it doesn't sound that much different from the one in the last soundtrack. I thought it would - but sadly doesn't P.S. I'm aware that the bones playing the theme alone near the end have a kind of 'chainsawish' sound. I'm trying to figure out how to avoid that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_collins Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 WHAT THE HECK is that choiral peice from, i LOVE IT BTW what about the choiral bit at the start of Duel of the Fates The_One? PS, IMHO I dont think the lone violinist is very heroic nor very appropriate......it sounds more like the "Mamuskah" dance in the first Adams family film where Gomez and Fester dance with knives, anybody remember that scene? Apart from that, its definately the quality I expect from Mr Williams or Mr Shore or Mr Zimmer.......superb work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Originally posted by michael_collins BTW what about the choiral bit at the start of Duel of the Fates The_One? Yes, what about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_collins Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 good example of good use of choiral music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundquist Posted April 25, 2003 Author Share Posted April 25, 2003 That choirsample is not from anything, it's just composed to show what is possible with choirsamples. heh, normally it's the entire violin section playing that part, I just tried to see how it sounds with a solo violin - Of course I'll remove it if it's too non SW'ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_collins Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Well mabye the violin wasnt a good solo choice.....what would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddy Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 How about replacing the solo violinist with a solo french horn or something like that? I just listened to it and I was pretty impressed, much better than the first version. My only complaint with it (I kinda like that solo violinist) is that the brass sometimes sounds to.....wishy-washy (is that the word I want?) or too stringy? A good example of this is where the french horns (or is it trombones) come in at about 1:00. It should sound more like they're biting it, if you get what I mean. Other than that it sounds pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 42 Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 Replace the solo violinist with the violin section, like it was in the first version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Linux Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 Originally posted by Master Toddy How about replacing the solo violinist with a solo french horn or something like that? French Horn can't play that high . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundquist Posted April 26, 2003 Author Share Posted April 26, 2003 right, I'd have to transpose it down an octave or two if I was going with horn. I think I'll try the solo part with violin section first - I could try with other instruments, personally though, I think it sounds like it was written specially for violin. Master Toddy: I think Iknow what you mean, I'll try using brass with a faster attack, the problem is they sound a bit more synthy, but may work out better, I haven't tried them with this piece yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundquist Posted May 8, 2003 Author Share Posted May 8, 2003 Okay so this is technically a double post, but my last post is old, so... I've changed the brass so it doesn't sound so 'sluggish' (I'm now using 4 horns 3 trumpets and 3 bones), I've also cut down heavily on the reverb, please tell me if I've cut off too much. http://www.angelfire.com/music4/gffrpg/mohc.mp3 oh, and the solo siolin is now violin section again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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