Crowy Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 i didnt feel like reading everyone elses but i just wanted to say what i tihnk videogame violence does and doesnt cause voilence in the world, it depends on the person... if children are overly violent more then likely isnt bad parenting ot blame? and also id me more violent without video games... video games can be an anger release thats about all i gotta say on this matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 This problem can be compared to the one of "do martial arts make people more violent?" I've seen countless teens come into the dojo, learn the basics of a few 'cool' high kicks and quit. The next weekend I see them out on the streets picking up fights with total strangers, trying show everyone their mad kickin' skillz. Fact 1: without knowing how to kick, they probably wouldn't be out there trying to show off. Fact 2: these people are total idiots. Should you be allowed to sell scissors in a store even though someone might use 'em to stab another? Well...yeah. Would the madman have stabbed a person without the scissors he had bought? Probaby not, at least not untill he finds something else to stab with. It's simply a fact that tehre's a whole lot of retarded, crazy people out there. They will remain crazy with or without having guns, scissors, playing videogames or training deadly martial arts-techniques. Guns don't kill people, bullets do! ..eh, uhmm... you know what I mean. It annoys me that people continuously seek for something to blame, instead of opening their eyes and seeing the real problem. The problem is not the store that sells scissors or video games, it's those freaking idiots who's parents don't seem to realize that their son/daughter is a freaking idiot who should be given a brain transplant ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowy Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 they saying is guns dont kill people i kill people.... i as in a psychotic gun weilding person who has no morals and thinks its right to kill people did THAT make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Originally posted by Crowy they saying is guns dont kill people i kill people.... Yea, I knew that. t'was but a feeble attempt to be funneh... I guess I still need to work on that. Wait a minute! "I kill people"? ...aaah.. whatever. Too tired. Need coffee. BTW - I got a kid on the way and she/he will surely get to play computer games. I'll just monitor what games and when. 5 bucks sais he/she won't become a homocidal maniac. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted April 17, 2003 Author Share Posted April 17, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar 5 bucks sais he/she won't become a homocidal maniac. Anyone? I won't take that bet, but I'll bet you 5 bucks that your future kid will be beating you at those video games in no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowy Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 if you be a good father youll let him beat you sometimes (i know thats off topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHobGoblin Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 I blame the parents. They have to keep them off the road of viloence. I play violent games but nothing like (gta3) or those gorey games. I play something like THE THING or Max Payne or D2, something like that. I go for story not much action. If the Parents don't keep a watchful eye on the child he can just get or download one of those werid games. I started playing more mature games when I got much older. Yet not the too mature. If the parents fail then the child is done for. Parents do play a important roll. The parent shouldn't let the child play games but just by the rating like E or T if he is older. But a good game for everyone, thats fun and not violient (and I still love) is the MYST trilogy. You know, Myst then Riven Then Myst III: Exile. All those were one of my early games. I think thats a big help, leting the child think, enjoy, and still be away from the violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speck of dust Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 lol, why doesn't it suprise me that not a single one of us voted "Yes" in the poll for 'do videogames make kids violent'? Great thread, Eldritch. This issue has been on my mind for a while, especially with the spate of school shootings that started in the late 90's. The one thing nobody pointed out here is that First Person Shooters, which are generally what we're referring to in regards to videogame violence (other than GTA 3) are just extensions of the same thing we all did as kids: running around our backyards with toy guns shooting at each other. I don't know about you guys, but my imagination was pretty sick when I was a kid. When I played in my backyard, it was REAL. I was shooting, punching, kicking, stabbing, choking my way through whole armies of imaginary enemies. I played with every ounce of drama as if I was it was real or at least a movie. That actually brings up another point: movies. I grew up in the 80's. Has anything of late been any more violent than the Stallone/ Rambo movies, or the Schwartzanegger movies, or Red Dawn, or any of those films I loved as a kid and re-enacted in my backyard? I can't even count how many Die Hard like scenarios I'd imagine myself in after I saw the movie....I took playing very seriously, as I'm sure you all did. All of my toy guns were black or silver, some were even metal, but they all looked very very real. (not this pink water gun stuff they have today)...I even had real grenades, dummy ones of course. And when i wasn't outside, I was inside doing the same thing with armies of G.I. Joe figures. Planning and executing an entire war from both sides. Did I or any of my friends ever cross the line and let this play violence get real? Occasionally. Was it ever anything serious? Never. I always knew deep down that when push came to shove, I didn't want to hurt anybody. My parents (who certainly hurt each other) taught me that. But they also let me use my imagination and creativity (probably because it kept me occupied...lol) Some kids just don't understand the fine line, or if they do, they don't care. Apathy is a bigger demon that stupidity, if you ask me. It's the kids who understand but don't have any regard for life and well being who are the worst. Those are the same kids who would act out in any situation, no matter what game or toy they play with. Anyway, I see this evolution of drama and tension and action that we first get from our imaginations, then from movies and now (ever since the legend of Zelda got me immersed in a story and character driven video game back in '87) videogames. We are no more violent now than we ever have been for the last few thousands of years. They used to watch public hangings and beheadings and gladiator matches all the time. Now we watch War and police chases and play GTA 3. It's in our genes and in our culture and in our imaginations because it scares, intrigues, and entertains us. So we can blame it on whatever we want, but the reason is simple: no matter how far foward we evolve, we'll never leave the animal kingdom we came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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