Ep1 Obiwan vs Ep2 Obiwan??

[CurryKing]

Hmmm, i was quite impressed with the skills of Obiwan in episode 1, he seemed highly skilled in the force and had a great duel with a very acomplished swordsman in Darth Maul. However in Episode 2, which was set 10 years later, you would expect him to be far more powerful than in Episode 1.

 

To me, this does not seem the case he struggles against Jango on kamino (ok Jango is pretty good but still only a bounty hunter not a powerful force user) and the aged sith lord Count Dooku wipes the floor with him a matter of seconds without really breaking a sweat. I don't think he appears anymore powerful in episode2 than in episode1 maybe just a little wiser and less arrogant.

 

What do ya reckon peeps?

[Tesla]

Well on kamino it was raining thus making it very diffucult to fight jango and plus he had all those robes on and dooku had dark side powers and had studied the force for 8 decades (80 yrs)

 

But in ep1 he was a padawan and could get away with things more often so to speak think of anakin, he's a padawan and look at the outragous things he does, plus obi 1 in ep2 was a jedi knight meaning he would have to go along with the jedi code and directly take orders from yoda or mace windu the 2 most powerful jedi in the jedi order so i don't think he was more powerful,he only killed maul due to some anger because of qui-gon being killd by maul so he really is the same IMO

[CurryKing]

Obiwan is going to have to make a dramatic improvement in the two years between episode 2 & 3 tho int he? Because in Ep3 he is going to defeat Anakin\Vader who in turn will have probably already have defeated Dooku (to take his place at the side of the Emporer and become Darth Vader) and as we know Dooku easily defeated Obiwan at Geonosis, so to defeat the man (Vader) who defeated the man (Dooku) who defeated him (Obiwan) two years earlier he will have to become much more powerful, agreed?

 

Yes and u do need a medal if u can understand all that babbal i have just typed!!! Ahhh, somebody shoot me!!

[Tesla]

Well ep3 is set something like 2 years after the clone war begins in ep2 so i think he would have improved and he won't be able to defeat anakin that easily since anakin is strong in the force and would have probarly scumbled to the dark side at the point of there fight and it would probarly go on for longer than most of the fight's we have seen already possibly longer than the

maul vs obi1 & qui-gon or the vader vs luke in rotj and anakin would also be fuled with the rage of the dark side and anger at obi 1 for holding him back and you have to remeber he would probarly still be a padawan at the beginning of ep3 then take the final step to the dark side turning into Darth Vader:vadar: so anyway obi1 would have improved over 2 yrs i guess

[wassup]

Originally posted by CurryKing

Obiwan is going to have to make a dramatic improvement in the two years between episode 2 & 3 tho int he? Because in Ep3 he is going to defeat Anakin\Vader who in turn will have probably already have defeated Dooku (to take his place at the side of the Emporer and become Darth Vader) and as we know Dooku easily defeated Obiwan at Geonosis, so to defeat the man (Vader) who defeated the man (Dooku) who defeated him (Obiwan) two years earlier he will have to become much more powerful, agreed?

 

Yes and u do need a medal if u can understand all that babbal i have just typed!!! Ahhh, somebody shoot me!!

 

NOWHERE does it say that Anakin HAS to kill Dooku. Yes, Anakin is strong, but Obi-Wan had more experience, making him more calm and focused. Heck, for all we know, Anakin could fall into the "presumed" lava pit by accident!! Kinda makes sense, since Anakin does reckless things, and maybe because of this characteristic he accidently slips and falls into the lava pit. LOL. So, bascially, what I mean is that Obi-Wan doesn't have to be stronger in the Force than Anakin to beat him.

[boinga1]

I say...well, ep2....logically. Dooku had, after all, been studying the force for almost 3 times as long as Maul had, and I think Obi-wan was a little unprepared against Jango, also he was supposed to take him alive.

[Macbeth2k1]

Hey, just thought I'd throw in some more info from SW Insider 62's article on the 7 forms of light saber styles.

 

Form II

The ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat became Form II, advancing the precision of blade manipulation of its finest possible degree and producing the greatest dueling masters the galaxy has ever seen.

 

Today Form II is an archaism studied by almost no one in the Jedi Order, because it is not relevant to current tactical situations, in which Jedi enemies rarely fight with lightsabers. Even with the resurgence of the Sith, confrontation of an enemy with a lightsaber is an exceedling rare prospect for a Jedi, they continue to focus on the more practical Forms. Sith expecting the battle lightsaber-weilding Jedi, however, find Form II a powerful technique.

 

Form III

The third great lightsaber discipline was first developed in response to the advancement of blaster technology in the galaxy. As these weapons spread widely into the hands of evil-doers, Jedi had to develop unique means of defending themselves. Form III thus arose from "laserblast" deflection training. Over the centuries it has transcended this origin to become a highly refined expression of non-aggressive Jedi philosophy. Form III maximizes defensive protection in a style characterized by tight, efficient movements that expose minimal target area compared to the relatively open style of some of the other forms.

 

Obi-Wan Kenobi takes up a dedication to Form III after the death of Qui-Gon Jinn (who favored form IV), since it was apparent to Kenobi that Jinn's defense was insufficient against the Sith techniques of Darth Maul. True Form III masters are considered invincible. Even in his elder years, Kenobi remains a formidable Form III practitioner.

 

So basicly, Obi-Wan changed his focus of study after TPM, and only had 10 years to practice before he fought with Dooku. However he had an additional 20 or so years to study before he fought with Vader in ANH.

 

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon employ acrobatic Form IV work during their battle against Darth Maul in TPM.

 

Form II is the chosen discipline of Count Dooku, who wields it to devastating effect. His utterly precise moves overwhelm Jedi who are not accustomed to the special requirements of lightsaber dueling. With Form II, Dooku holds his own even against Master Yoda.

 

During the fateful duel with Darth Vader on board the Death Star, the tall and powerfull Sith Lord cannot break old Obi-Want's defenses until Kenobi voluntarily yields.

 

So my take is that EP1 Obi could take EP2 Obi, but would be forced into a stalemate with EP4 Obi. Its a matter of how much training he's had with his new chosen defensive form vs his orriginal acrobatic/offencive form.

 

I also find it significant that when Obi-Wan started training Luke, he got out the remote and started teaching him to deflect blaster bolts. The most important thing was having an impenatrable defense.

[Breton]

The reson for Obi-Wan's fast and "skillful" fighting in TPM was his rage. This rage also lead to his defeat in that duel, since he was forgetting about his defences, thus giving Maul a good chance to defeat Obi. In AotC he is more calm and thus more skilled.

[dark jedi 8]

yeah, i think Ep.I obi use some "dark side rage" against mual in the reactor shaft at the end. or whatever that place was? anyway, Ep.II obi would easily defeat Ep.I obi because he is familiar with both form III and form IV. obi in Ep.I used 4 and obe in Ep. II could match him, plus throw in some form 3, which would couse,(i think), obi from Ep.II to win!-(did that make sense?)

[Obiwan80]

In episode I obiwan was young and had very aggressive fighting style leaving his defensive open for counter attacks. He was in rage at the beginning of the duel with darth maul, but at the end he was calm and victories.

 

In episode II obiwan is about 10 years older but still quite young jedi knight. His fighting style has come more neutral and defensive. Count Dooku is very experience fighter and was yodas padowan that is way obiwan lose to him.

 

Obiwan still has a lot to learn of the force, but he will be better in episode III. At the time of episode IV obiwans has become one of the greatest jedis ever.