ShadowTemplar Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Actually I've heard that there is a faction of Christianity that venerates Judas as the saint who helped Christ fulfill his prophecy. Say that the stuff about him committing suicide is a cover-up to daemonize him. Got no reliable sources, though, just hearsay that I picked up somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joetheeskimo Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 I wonder if Judas went to heaven in the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 think z, moses was old testiment and the crusifiction was new testiment. in old testiment god smited everyone, the people wanted to get a message across, moses had the power of god with him, its is an example of a theophany or god showing himself in a way, ie the burning bush, parting water, its said that the jews faith is what saved them, because their faith was extreme and OT was teaching the point that faith will save you, plus do you rememebr the crusifiction,jesus said forgive them,they know not what they do. plus it was gods plan for him to die for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joetheeskimo Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 Well God just sent me a vision predicting that some mod is about to come along and say, "don't double post darign dueler"...you'll see...it'll happen...it happens everytime...GRRRR Sry a lil off subject...Now a mod is about to say...your post was off topic joe" Anyway, I agree with daring dueler: the Jews were actually God's chosen people and he wouldn't just kill them for fulfiling his will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Originally posted by daring dueler think z, moses was old testiment and the crusifiction was new testiment. in old testiment god smited everyone, the people wanted to get a message across, moses had the power of god with him, its is an example of a theophany or god showing himself in a way, ie the burning bush, parting water, its said that the jews faith is what saved them, because their faith was extreme and OT was teaching the point that faith will save you, Not only did it "save" the jews, it also slaughtered thousands of innocent. Not only innocent egyptians, but also all the women and children wich Joshua and his mates brutally slaughtered because they were living in their "holy land". plus do you rememebr the crusifiction,jesus said forgive them,they know not what they do. plus it was gods plan for him to die for us. But if they didn't know what to do, or if they only fufilled God's plan...that wouldn't make them sinners, would it? But according to the Bible, Jesus died because they had sinned against him. But they can't have, so why the helheim did he die? Religion gets more and more odd for each passing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Daring dueler, now, would OT be Old Testament or Original Trilogy? Sorry, just had to get that one in there. To get serious and answer the question at hand, it could easily be answered with the Christians's favourite dismissal of any hint at God's fallibility: God works in mysterious ways. But asking that question you give away that you sorta have a limited view on the whole God thing. Why should he be so hasty to kill them there and then? They'd die eventually and then he could deal with them for eternity, I mean real old testimonial wrath of God type o' stuff - Fire and brimstone falling from the sky, mass hysteria, terror, seas boiling, 40 years of darkness, cats and dogs living together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Originally posted by Breton Not only did it "save" the jews, it also slaughtered thousands of innocent. Not only innocent egyptians, but also all the women and children wich Joshua and his mates brutally slaughtered because they were living in their "holy land". ummmm, no, GOD or it didnt slaughter innocent or any ejyptions,unless you meen passover, which has been blamed on a plague........and that joshua, not god. rember much of OT (old testiment not origianl trilogy) is based on teaching a lesson, and much of it isnt historically true but rather religous truth in that everything in the bible is true, to the point of the teachings, not necisarily historically, like adam and eve, not true, but a true lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.