The difference between facts and opinions

[Cosmos Jack]

"Dagobahn Eagle" you are still on my ignore list you might as well not reply to anything I type.

 

Actually since You hate me and I most defiantly have no love for you lets just not go here anymore.. All you want to do is get me to tell you off so you can run and get me banned... So you might as well stop...

[Dagobahn Eagle]

"Dagobahn Eagle" you are still on my ignore list you might as well not reply to anything I type.

 

Actually since You hate me and I most defiantly have no love for you lets just not go here anymore.. All you want to do is get me to tell you off so you can run and get me banned... So you might as well stop...

 

Weeeell.... That's your OPINION..

 

Fact is, this is a free forum on a server based in a free country, where everyone who's not banned are allowed to post.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

The resin we used it on Japan was because there was no way to win a ground assault on main land Japan.

 

And because you wanted to test its effects on human population centers.

 

Your right we have to think all the dead Russians that fought at gun point for the Soviets. They weren’t fighting for the right resins and they weren’t fighting because they wanted to. They wasn’t fighting to free Europe from an Oppressive fascist Nazi rule, but to install there own Oppressive Communist rule.

 

That is not the issue, as I've said a thousand times now.

 

What matters is that:

 

A) The fought more and harder than you. It doesn't matter what the reasons were. They still did. You cannot begin to compare the US casualties to the Soviet casualties. By following your rhetoric above, you're also implying that the troops of Germany didn't fight at all, because they fought for all the "wrong reasons". It doesn't matter Jack.

 

B) They were instrumental to winning WW2. It doesn't matter what their motives were, without them it might have been a sure loss, or an incredibly long, drawn out war. One could argue they stopped Hitler in his tracks more than the US did. Thus, this quickly dispells the myth that USA won WW2 all by itself.

 

Jack, history doesn't care about the motives, moral reasons or what's going through the head of the soldier in battle - only the outcome, the actions. And the outcome is undeniable in this case - Soviet Russia played a huge part in WW2.

 

The USA fought to free Europe and the Soviets fought to conquer Europe… Does this make since now? Yes they did play a huge role in gaining more territory than the Nazis..

 

They ended WW2, along with the rest of us. That's the role they played.

 

I like how you still say the Soviets fought harder no they fought dumber and had no more love for the Soviets than they did for the Nazis.

 

That's irrelevant.

 

They were fighting to conquer as much as they could.

 

That's irrelevant. They helped stop Hitler, and without them, you wouldn't be in a position to speak Engrish.

 

I personally can’t believe you support them.

 

That's because I don't.

 

It was almost a 3 way war. They were only fighting the Nazis they wanted more territory as well it was an excuse to expand.

 

That's a very crude way of putting it. USA wanted more territory as well. They still do. Did it ever occur to you why your country sets up bases whever it can, and install capitalistic dictators to create new markets for your goods?

 

Hitler and the Russians also agreed to annex Poland together before the war. They didn’t win WWII the clamed the spoils of the fallen countries they conquered. You defiantly are not winning any FACT battle on this you might as well give up.

 

Irrelevant rubbish. The not-so-subtle threat didn't help your image either.

 

Yep your right we wouldn't becouse Comunism is great!!!!

 

I never said or implied that.

 

Don’t mention all the things in the US you get a slap on the wrist for, but under communist law you get executed....

 

Oooh... the "communist law"? There is no "communist law".

 

All the crap you listed about all the bad things the USA has done

 

It's "crap"? Well, did you know half of it?

 

why don't you list all the bad things the Soviets did or the Chinese or the North Koreans or Freaking Saddam...

 

Because we know what they've done. We know they're bad nations with brutal laws.

 

But I bet not many people knew a third of that little list. It needs to be known, because the US is promoting itself like the saviour of oppressed people, when it's in fact displaying itself as the biggest hypocrite in our time. But not many people know that.

 

What the USA has done is a drop in the bucket and by the looks of not anything BAD unless you want to make them out to be.

 

So, terrorism, oppressing populations and pissing on human rights is not "really bad"? Gee, who'd have known...

 

The difference in American troops and Soviet is you don't have to threaten to kill there families to get them to fight.

 

No, there is no difference here. It's big-time propaganda all the way.

 

Both countries' people think they're doing the right thing.

 

They also know there not just puppets of an overbearing oppressive government.

 

Depending on who you think it oppresses.

 

Yeah so give it up already. Stop supporting what the Soviets did. You are wrong I’m right deal with it…..

 

On the other hand, you're the one resorting to personal attacks and threats to get your point across. Not to forget your ability to stuff my mouth full of words of your choosing, and generally twisting my points into something you can easily debate.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

Before we get back on topic...

 

Until all the missing links are found, it is still a theory. Not a proven fact from all angles.

 

Do you hold the atomic theory as true? What about the theory of relativity? No? They're not fact after all? But they're theories, right?

 

Listen Reborn, a theory can be a fact and a theory at the same time. Until sufficient proof arrives to conclude that the theory of evolution doesn't hold up, it's a fact. The majority of the world regard it as fact, except for some overly zealous states in the US. It's quite sad. Do they really think they know better than the combined brainpower and technical might of the scientists and their tools on this? I'd say that's pretty damn proud of them.

 

Reborn, do you still "interpret" the Bible literally in the worst place? Believe me, the Genesis is the place where common sense is required to reading. God is talking through metaphors man.

 

Regarding the fossil record, it will always be incomplete. Many fossils have been lost to erosion, and many more will. But it doesn't matter, as there's more than sufficient proof to firmly place the theory of evolution as fact.

 

Some questions to ponder:

 

-If the world had been covered in a global flood, how come there's still ice on the polar ice caps? Ice floats on water y'know, and if the flood had happened within the last hundred millenia, all the ice would have broken off never to be seen again.

 

-How come we have different blood types. These genetic differences could only have come about if there were more than 2 humans present from the beginning, and it requires evolving still.

 

-Look at all the species in the world. How could they ever fit on this planet? Not enough space or food, that's for sure.

 

-I don't really have to explain how ridiculously silly the "Ark" idea is, save for use as a moral myth, do I?

 

-Nor do I have to explain all the evolving going on on a microscopic scale in your body, right?

 

If the evolutionary/old earth theory is so blatantly false, how come it always works? How come it always predicts the right answers? How come we've gained profound knowledge of geology, medicine, astronomy, genetics and the future and past of our planet? Trying to debunk evolution would be the same as trying to debunk all of science as they're so intermingled - a very futile, and very counterproductive effort indeed.

[Cosmos Jack]

"C'jais" I actually started to reply to you Cosmos Jack Flaming rant. About 1/2 way threw I stop and realized it was pointless not because your right, but because you don't care.

 

All there is here is that you are a US Basher. That's it nothing else.

All your opinions aren't very creditable there 1 sided and have no obvious meaning other than to trash the US. It appears all you do is look up bad things the US has done and blow them out of perportion. I think you should do something more productive with your time rather than trash the US. It was here long before you and it will be here long after you. It won’t be a super power for ever countries never stay on top for long, but I'm willing to bet it will outlive you and me as one. Get over it move on there are other things in life. I don't believe you are ever going to sway the opinion of the world enough to remove the US from power. I guess you can try that's your right.

 

It's nice to know that as a moderator you only practice your power on the people you don't like. If I had said some of the things people say to me including some of the things you just did I would been banned again. It's nice to know I'm in a forum where I know I can be treated equally. I no longer harass people, but its ok for certain individuals including you to harass me. Dare I defend myself?

 

Like I said before. I know I'm not the only person that has the opinions I do it's odd that I'm the only one on this forum. People's arguments are only creditable if they agree with the popular people on here otherwise they are opinions and not creditable?

 

This is a totally one sided forum...

[Dagobahn Eagle]

C'Jais has called other countries some mean things in the past, too. I seem to recall he reffered to Denmark as "f---ed", in a discussion about alcohol?

 

In a discussion about the US and Iraq, you have to expect bashing of the USA and/or Iraq. If you can't debate something without taking the other side, don't debate.

 

Oh, and military actions are just one side of the US. I think that C'Jais, like everyone else, perfectly well knows that.

[ShockV1.89]

Well, well... I clicked that little button that lets me view Jacks post.

 

Shall I break down your post?

 

All there is here is that you are a US Basher. That's it nothing else.

 

You havent been here long enough to determine that CJais is a US basher and "nothing else." One can criticize US actions without hating the US. I have seen CJais compliment the US several times, but he takes a decidedly liberal standpoint (by US standards), and being that the administration right now is rather conservative, of course he will be more critical.

 

All your opinions aren't very creditable there 1 sided and have no obvious meaning other than to trash the US.

 

Shall we have two sided opinions? Seems to me your opinions are exactly all encompassing (sp?) either...

 

It appears all you do is look up bad things the US has done and blow them out of perportion.

 

 

I think you should do something more productive with your time rather than trash the US.

 

I think you should do something more productive than try to start trouble with everyone who dares to disagree with you. But thats my opinion.

 

It was here long before you and it will be here long after you. It won’t be a super power for ever countries never stay on top for long, but I'm willing to bet it will outlive you and me as one.

 

I guess this is a reason to never criticize US actions? Doesnt make sense to me...

 

It's nice to know I'm in a forum where I know I can be treated equally. I no longer harass people, but its ok for certain individuals including you to harass me. Dare I defend myself?

 

Dude, if it were up to me, you would have been permanently banned a long time ago. Furthermore, you still post with a decidedly aggressive and oftentimes insulting demeanor. You are rarely polite to anyone. Is it so hard to believe that people are going to be annoyed at you? You carry the stigma of one who flamed at a whim. Top that on top of your now current reputation of one who only insults people some of the time and is rude ALL of the time, and I'm surprised you're not treated worse! (Go ahead, tell me all about the real world ).

 

 

I'm as patriotic as the next guy. I love my country, and I hate hate hate it when people spontaneously flame it for no good reason (I can PM you a link to a thread where I went to war with someone over it). But I'm also clearheaded enough to know that not everyone who criticizes the US is doing so without good reason. Try to distinguish the random US haters from the intellectuals who might have something meaningful to say. It'll go easier on everyone.

 

Or you can respond to this with a stinging, barb-filled retort in which you make some mildly witty, mildly insulting, sarcastic comment about me.

 

Whichever.

[munik]

Originally posted by C'jais

And because you wanted to test its effects on human population centers.

That's not fair. That implies a less then human quality in the action. Everyone knew it would mess stuff up, they were just curious as to how bad it would be. It's an aside, never the main intention of the bomb. I know what a grenade does upon detonation, I've seen it destroy decoys. But if I was to use one against people, I would do it because I can safely assume it will mess them up. But I would also be curious as to how bad it will mess them up, and how effective it was. But that in no way would be my intention for using the grenade.

Originally posted by C'jais

-How come we have different blood types. These genetic differences could only have come about if there were more than 2 humans present from the beginning, and it requires evolving still.

Interesting idea. The first coupling mentioned after Adam and Eve was between Cain and his wife. But it gives no mention as to where Cain's wife came from, who she is, anything. So that could be your different blood type. Or, as the bible never mentions a coupling resulting in the birth of a woman, or a geneology including a woman, we could just assume it was his sister. In which case we can argue that different blood types are the result of genetic mutation caused by an uncountable amount of incest. Interesting idea, yes, but it can easily be deflected by those who wish to believe.

[Cosmos Jack]

Originally posted by ShockV1.89

Well, well... I clicked that little button that lets me view Jacks post.

Dam I wish you hadn't figured that out.

 

 

Originally posted by ShockV1.89

I think you should do something more productive than try to start trouble with everyone who dares to disagree with you. But thats my opinion.

Last time I checked everytime I post ecluduing the very 1st time I got slamed practicly flamed. Then I replyed and relized this is a buddy buddy only club. whatever

 

Originally posted by ShockV1.89

Dude, if it were up to me, you would have been permanently banned a long time ago. Furthermore, you still post with a decidedly aggressive and oftentimes insulting demeanor. You are rarely polite to anyone. Is it so hard to believe that people are going to be annoyed at you? You carry the stigma of one who flamed at a whim. Top that on top of your now current reputation of one who only insults people some of the time and is rude ALL of the time, and I'm surprised you're not treated worse! (Go ahead, tell me all about the real world ).

I don't get the logic in banned I mean all I have to do is make a new SN and pop right back on. Whatever if it makes people feel powerful.

 

Originally posted by ShockV1.89

Or you can respond to this with a stinging, barb-filled retort in which you make some mildly witty, mildly insulting, sarcastic comment about me.

 

Whichever. [/b]

I liked you so much better when you were ignoring me.

[ShockV1.89]

Last time I checked everytime I post ecluduing the very 1st time I got slamed practicly flamed. Then I replyed and relized this is a buddy buddy only club. whatever

 

Buddy buddy only? Dude, have you even read any of the religion threads? There's some huge rifts in those, but just because people disagree doesnt mean they cant be friendly to each other. You probably got slammed or flamed because of your attitude. Care to post a link to it?

 

Either way, just because you had a bad initial experience with this forum doesnt giove you the right to run around pissing everyone else off. I'm sorry if you think you got flamed at the beginning. There have been some nasty people through here.

 

I don't get the logic in banned I mean all I have to do is make a new SN and pop right back on. Whatever if it makes people feel powerful.

 

They can ban more than just your SN. They can permanently ban your IP, in which case, it wont matter what SN you pick.

 

Anyway. I notice you didnt reply to a single point I made. Instead, you chose to take the second route, insulting me. Honestly, I tried to give you good advice there. I dont like having someone on my ignore list. You're the only one. Go ahead, respond saying you're proud of it. But man, even Rogue Photonic never made it on there.

 

Just stop attacking people and stop acting so arrogant. Maybe thats how people act in your "real" world, but we try to hold each other to a higher standard in here.

[Kurgan]

A simpler way to differentiate is to say that:

 

Facts = true whether you believe them or not, not based on popularity.

 

Opinions = interpretations of reality. some are more 'informed' than others, but everybody's got one. many are purely subjective and "unprovable" (based on personal preference or feeling).

 

 

Now I think what you're saying is that what some people call "facts" are in fact not true (ie: not really facts at all).

 

Data doesn't have to have an opinion attached to it (opinions are often interpretations of presumed facts), but you can have an opinion based on facts (ie: Nazis are bad because they killed Jews; NASA is worthwhile because they got us to the moon, etc).

[Kurgan]

When you want to verify facts, especially about something you don't know much about, you consult experts (scientists, doctors, lawyers, etc). On the other hand, these people provide "professional opinions" as well, so try not to confuse them. Otherwise its just an "appeal to authority" logical fallacy.

 

But for example a scientist can show you the data and explain why it shows that we really did land on the moon, etc. whereas anyone can claim that we did or didn't without proof.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

I don't get the logic in banned I mean all I have to do is make a new SN and pop right back on. Whatever if it makes people feel powerful.

 

Heard of IP banning?

 

Coming back under a different name when the community obviously doesn't want you here, is what we refer to as "Bad Behaviour". I don't think you like us either, to be frank.

 

So next time, just stay the hell away.

[Kurgan]

Heard of IP banning?

 

FACT.

 

Coming back under a different name when the community obviously doesn't want you here, is what we refer to as "Bad Behaviour".

 

OPINION.

 

(one I happen to agree with)

 

I'm all for people saying they're sorry and coming back with a spirit of good natured community, but sometimes people wear out their welcome in a really big way, and they accept the consequences.

; p

[Cosmos Jack]

Originally posted by ShockV1.89

Anyway. I notice you didnt reply to a single point I made. Instead, you chose to take the second route, insulting me. Honestly, I tried to give you good advice there. I dont like having someone on my ignore list. You're the only one. Go ahead, respond saying you're proud of it. But man, even Rogue Photonic never made it on there.

To be honest I have givein up on trying to repond to anything nomatter how right I am or how many facts I have on anything I'm still going to be wrong becouse I don't fall into your little click.

Originally posted by ShockV1.89

Just stop attacking people and stop acting so arrogant. Maybe thats how people act in your "real" world, but we try to hold each other to a higher standard in here.

When people stop attacking me I will think about it.

 

bla bla bla All this because I don't except others opinions as facts. I am dam sure I'm not the only arrogant person here. I didn't think being right was arrogant, but if it is I must be the most arrogant person in the world.

 

"C'jais" the word "LIKE" has nothing to do with what I think of any of you, to be frank. I just give back what I receive. If all of you think I'm rude that's just real sad, becouse this is me being nice.

 

Yes I know all about IP banning and have taken that in to consideration a long time ago......

Originally posted by C'jais

So next time, just stay the hell away.

If I said that I would be flaming ? Do you say that to everyone that doesn't share you opinions?

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

To be honest I have givein up on trying to repond to anything nomatter how right I am or how many facts I have on anything I'm still going to be wrong becouse I don't fall into your little click.

When people stop attacking me I will think about it.

 

I'm fairly sure you were the one who did the attacking in the first place, and that we haven't really reacted until now.

 

bla bla bla All this because I don't except others opinions as facts.

 

Forgive me for being so absentminded, but what are you arguing here? Which of our opinions did you not take as fact? The only one I can remember from the top of my head is the USA-WW2 issue, and that's not so bad is it? I mean, it was pretty much just 2 or 3 of us who "ganged up" on you - you have to expect that when you're coming with such statements out of the blue. Most people do have more modest views on this.

 

And stop thinking of me as a Stalin-sympathesizer while we're at it again.

 

I am dam sure I'm not the only arrogant person here. I didn't think being right was arrogant, but if it is I must be the most arrogant person in the world.

 

Don't flatter yourself.

 

Saying that you're right doesn't equal being right. You ought to know that.

 

"C'jais" the word "LIKE" has nothing to do with what I think of any of you, to be frank. I just give back what I receive. If all of you think I'm rude that's just real sad, becouse this is me being nice.

 

So you're just giving back what you get? In that case, stop being so generous - it's killing us.

 

Yes I know all about IP banning and have taken that in to consideration a long time ago......

If I said that I would be flaming ? Do you say that to everyone that doesn't share you opinions?

 

Listen, it's against the rules to come back under a different name when you have already been banned (temporary bans are another case, of course). If you do so, and still find yourself banned (don't know for sure, but I think I saw a Cosmos Jack 3), you're obviously not wanted. Then it's just you being a bully, and most people don't like those. It's really simple - if you go against the rules, you get banned. If you come back under a different name while you're banned, you're banned again. If you're banned, and we don't like you, why even bother?

 

Jack, I'm curious, have you ever thought about that you might just be wrong? It's sometimes hard to fathom, but I think it deserves some pondering on your part in this case.

[SkinWalker]

Curiosity and thinking a bit about what Shock was typing made me look past my "Ignore List" of one as well. I see nothing's changed.

 

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

To be honest I have givein up on trying to repond to anything nomatter how right I am or how many facts I have on anything I'm still going to be wrong becouse I don't fall into your little click.

 

Perhaps you should consider why you don't fall into our "little click." If one, or even a few people "don't like" you, no problem. They're probably a@@holes anyway. But if most people seem to dislike you, you would probably be amiss and definately remiss in not questioning why.

 

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

When people stop attacking me I will think about it.

 

Do you think people are attacking you or could it be your sentiment, rudeness, callous disregard for etiquette, unprofessional demeanor, etc.?

 

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

bla bla bla All this because I don't except others opinions as facts. I am dam sure I'm not the only arrogant person here.

 

No. I freely admit to some degree of arrogance. I, and others, have shared some of your opinions. It's not your opinions or interpretation of facts that people disagree with, but rather your inciting and provoking attitude within the scope of this forum.

 

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

If all of you think I'm rude that's just real sad, becouse this is me being nice.

 

If that were true (which I actually doubt), then you would be a person to pity.

 

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

Yes I know all about IP banning and have taken that in to consideration a long time ago......

 

What you don't know, is that one or more members of this forum, with whom you may have strong negative feelings for, requested that you be given a chance after your last Ban/ScreenName violation. In other words, the desire was to accept you into the "clique" rather than exclude you. You see, differences of opinion and alternative interpretation of facts is a desirable status quo within this forum. It would be boring if we all agreed.

 

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

If I said that I would be flaming ? Do you say that to everyone that doesn't share you opinions?

 

While that might be a tad harsh, I think what he's trying to say is: if you feel so strongly that we are all wrong and you are the only one that's right, leave, but this time don't come back.

 

I've also noted that Cjais was well within the scope of his duties as moderator to request a ban from the SuperMods, but chose not to do so since the rules violations were directed toward him rather than other members. He's cut you a lot of slack, Jack.

 

So, in keeping this on topic, there are a few facts to note:

 

1) Nearly every member of this forum agrees that you are rude, offensive, and/or a general distraction from the intended purpose of the forum.

 

2) Several people have you on their "Ignore List," at least two of which only have one person in their lists.

 

3) Many members of this forum, while in disagreement with your behavior, actually have agreed with your interpretation of facts on one or more occasions.

 

4) You've been cut a lot of slack from mods, supermods, and forum members.

 

5) You have in the past, violated one or more rules and have been temporarily banned (in the past).

 

6) You have violated rules since without being banned.

 

7) You have indicated that you consider responses to your interpretation of facts as "attacks" of you.

 

8) The Senate Chambers is a forum of "reasoned debate" and "serious discussion."

 

9) I'm leaving some facts out because I'm out of time.

 

 

Now... let's interpret these facts and I'll offer my opinion:

 

From my perspective, most members of the forum would rather have more disagreement than agreement, since this makes for more interesting discussion. Also, "debate" would be impossible otherwise. You seem to feel that people here are attacking you personally and attempting to exclude you, while I see evidence of the opposite: people are going out of their way to accept you, unfortunately, your attitude and behavior within the forum is often distracting, though I will admit you have also made some very legitimate posts that did not come off as "rude, arrogant, insensitive, etc."

 

Finally, members and mods within this forum have sought to avoid bans that are either temporary or permanent. I also think that you have been more careful about what you say to whom since you came back from the last ban, however, I also think that you are more interested in showing us all how much of a nuisance you can be rather than engage in "reasoned debate" or "serious discussion." The latter is quoted from the forum description, the former from a thread title that overcame "heated discussion" and "hateful remarks" to create an interesting thread.

 

Stay or go. It matters not to me. I'll leave you off of my ignore list for several reasons... I don't like ignoring people, I think you have something valid to add to the forum, and I want to be fair. But should your posts continue to seem a waste of time (or return to that status), I can always engage that feature again.

[Cosmos Jack]

Originally posted by C'jais

I'm fairly sure you were the one who did the attacking in the first place, and that we haven't really reacted until now.

If you say so

Originally posted by C'jais

That's the spirit, man. Don't let us get you down.

From that to this huh .....

Originally posted by C'jais Listen, it's against the rules to come back under a different name when you have already been banned (temporary bans are another case, of course). If you do so, and still find yourself banned (don't know for sure, but I think I saw a Cosmos Jack 3), you're obviously not wanted. Then it's just you being a bully, and most people don't like those. It's really simple - if you go against the rules, you get banned. If you come back under a different name while you're banned, you're banned again. If you're banned, and we don't like you, why even bother?

Originally posted by C'jais

Jack, I'm curious, have you ever thought about that you might just be wrong? It's sometimes hard to fathom, but I think it deserves some pondering on your part in this case.

Maybe you should ask this of yourself. I will admit when I'm wrong, but if I'm right you can hate me all you want and say whatever you want. I'll still be right.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Cosmos Jack

From that to this huh .....

 

That was then, and that was adressing the point you raised: Do we just make our opinions "fact" when in the majority?

 

Now, however, you've stopped beating that horse, and moved on to the next. The former point was valid enough, but what you're trying to do now, is to make us look like the big baddies because we don't like your attitude. Two different things.

 

Maybe you should ask this of yourself. I will admit when I'm wrong, but if I'm right you can hate me all you want and say whatever you want. I'll still be right.

 

Once again: Which concrete examples are we talking about? Is it still the WW2 "facts" that are bothering you? In that case, go ahead and argue your case, instead of arguing about arguing the case, and losing us all in the process of your now-empty ravings.

[Reborn Outcast]

C'jais this is why I hate being on the wrong side of a debate with you. You always get me tied up so I don't know what to say.

 

 

 

 

And Cosmos... Please stop it now. You're not on my Ignore List yet but you're coming close but I don't think I will since I find your posts amusing.

You think you're right and everyone else is wrong. Good luck getting that one across.

 

Maybe you should ask this of yourself. I will admit when I'm wrong, but if I'm right you can hate me all you want and say whatever you want. I'll still be right

 

Well from what I read... C'jais presented a better argument than you did. Its better to admit that you could have been wrong. That helps you learn, which you obviously don't want to do.

 

 

Also, if I say that your spelling is a piece of sh*t, would you admit that I'm right? For someone who supposedly works in a forensic psycological lab (or whatever you said when you posted in the other thread a while ago) you sure don't have a command of the English language. Spy_jmr just posted a thread in the Swamp at the very top, talking about what he would do to peoples' posts if they don't shape up their grammar and spelling. You should check it out...

 

And by the way, you have a spelling mistake in your sig that a 4th grader could pick out, as you should to since you claim to work in such an excellent field of study. It's waste not waist.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Last time I checked everytime I post ecluduing the very 1st time I got slamed practicly flamed. Then I replyed and relized this is a buddy buddy only club. whatever

The first time I posted in the JK Senate Chambers, a week or two ago -at the same time as you-, I got welcomed and I haven't been attacked yet, I believe. "Buddy-only club"? If it was, I'd be flamed too, right?

 

If you acted more friendly, people would have liked you more.

[Cosmos Jack]

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

Well from what I read... C'jais presented a better argument than you did. Its better to admit that you could have been wrong. That helps you learn, which you obviously don't want to do.

What was the point he made. All I ever agued was that the US freed Europe while the Russians conquered it. We didn't take France over or even Germany. We help rebuild while the Russians were removing governments we were getting them back on there feet. I never said the Russians didn't contribute. His sole argument is that the war would have been won without out the US yes it might have. Instead of a free Europe you would have had a Communist Europe simple as that….

 

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

Also, if I say that your spelling is a piece of sh*t, would you admit that I'm right? For someone who supposedly works in a forensic psycological lab (or whatever you said when you posted in the other thread a while ago) you sure don't have a command of the English language. Spy_jmr just posted a thread in the Swamp at the very top, talking about what he would do to peoples' posts if they don't shape up their grammar and spelling. You should check it out...

Do you have a PhD in English or something are you perfect? I have no doubt I can go threw your posts and fined mistakes. I guarantee you make them. If not you are the only one on this whole Forum. I type everything in Microsoft Word before I post it. I proof read it a little than I post the crap. I didn't know I was getting graded maybe I would have cared more.. Sorry I don't put as much effort into this as I do a college turn paper.....

 

Here are your spelling mistakes on your post…

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

C'jais presented a better argument than you did. ( Its ) better to admit that you could have been wrong.

( Its ) or ( It’s ) That’s a 4th grader mistake right there.

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

Also, if I say that your spelling is a piece of sh*t, would you admit that I'm right? For someone who supposedly works in a forensic( psycological ) lab

( psycological ) or ( psychological ) So you want to dog my spelling?

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

And by the way, you have a spelling mistake in your sig that a 4th grader could pick out, as you should to since you claim to work in such an excellent field of study. It's waste not waist.

That's not a spelling mistake that's a grammar mistake. Two words that sound the same, but spelled differently. They're very common mistakes and it was spelt correctly.

 

What is it with you and calling me liar about where I work? I don't work in a lab I work in a hospital whether you want to believe me or not. For f@ck sake it's not like I said I was a Dr. or even a freaking nurse. I'm just a freaking tech. Hell college kids have the same job. It's a good job to have while you’re going to school. I make my own hours and it more than pays my bills. I make decent money doing it, because not allot of people like being spit on, kicked, and cussed out all dam day long. Not to mention being attacked. Do you want my freaking work number you can call and ask them what I do and where I work?

 

What else is odd I didn’t get the job because of medical experience or college credits. I got it because I had military experience you would be surprised at the number of noncollege grads and exmilitary working in this field.

 

At least everyone else is making good points about me. All you want to do is take cheep shots. I would respect you more if you just ran up and kicked me in the balls.

 

Don't bother posting my mistakes I know I made them and I don't care !!!!!

[Dagobahn Eagle]

The difference, CJ, is that C'Jais is Danish, not American.

 

Oh, and even then he makes a good deal less mistakes than you. Actually, a lot of people do.

 

But I agree, spelling, if you do your best, doesn't matter. If that was the only problem with you, I'd like you.

[Cosmos Jack]

Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle

The difference, CJ, is that C'Jais is Danish, not American.

 

Oh, and even then he makes a good deal less mistakes than you. Actually, a lot of people do.

 

But I agree, spelling, if you do your best, doesn't matter. If that was the only problem with you, I'd like you.

For christ sake "C'Jais" didn't say anything about my grammer "Reborn Outcast" did. Where does "C'Jais" come into this subject?

[SkinWalker]

Minor mistakes, few and far between are acceptable, but in attempting to get your point across in a written discussion, forum, debate, etc., good grammer, spelling and the general ability to write well is imparitive.

 

However, this is the internet and this is LucasForums, not The Well or some other venerable shrine to intellectualism, so I suppose some latitude is expected.

 

I find it interesting that most of the remarks about Jack's spelling/grammer have been less than direct, but he quickly takes offense. I suspect that this is something that he genuinely wishes to improve or is aware of already. Besides, his former English Lit Professor made mistakes, too, so why push it? Let's cut Jack some slack in his grammer.