Let's get rid of hp regenerating force powers!(?)

[Spider AL]

Aye, you learn something new every day.

 

Is Jan is pronounced "yan" in the netherlands?

 

While "Jan" in the US and possibly UK is short for "Janine" or "Janice" or somesuch female name.

 

'Hert' by itself means something totally different than my nickname...

Oooh, what does it mean? Is it DIRTY?

[BloodRiot]

I cant resist indulging this out of topic conversation cuz it also spiked my curiosity..what does hert mean?

 

Oh and I already said this in another forum... but you wouldn't believe what Dooku SOUNDS like in Portuguese.

 

I'll explain... The Translation is pretty simple..The title "Count" becomes "Conde" and rthe name has no translation... So the literal translation is "Conde Dooku".

 

Well the sound Dooku(doo-koo) is exactly the same as if we joined two portuguese words "do" and "cú"-> "Conde Do Cú"

 

So basically "Conde Dooku" and "Conde Do Cú" are exactly the same sound and "Conde Do Cú" translated back into english means something like "Count of the @ss".

 

How about that huh?

[HertogJan]

Sorry guys, Hert doesn't mean something like ass or something

 

A 'hert' is a deer... You know, the animal!!

 

And 'Jan' is pronounced (in English) as er... (uh-oh) 'yawn', but the 'a' sound is short, and not as long as in yawn.

AND PLEASE DONT MAKE JOKES ABOUT THE YAWN THING It was only an example

 

Oh and before I forget it: Hertog Jan was a count in The Netherlands/Belgium (which weren't seperate states back then) and he was very powerfull (hehe) and he liked beer very much. That's why a beer brand was named after him, it's the best beer of the Netherlands and it's logo looks like:

 

 

 

http://www.hertogjan.nl is the website of this beer brand

 

That was "Dutch for newbies" lesson 2, tomorrow we start with pronounciation of the word "scheerschuim", which means "shavinf foam" in Dutch

[Spider AL]

Sorry guys, Hert doesn't mean something like ass or something

 

A 'hert' is a deer... You know, the animal!!

Well never mind HJ, you'll always be a donkey to us.

[yolkboy]

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[HertogJan]

Originally posted by yolkboy

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Exactly my thoughts Oh and guinness is not beer I prefer lager beer, the thought of warm beer makes me sick

[Rockstar]

nods with in agreement with the warm beer comment

 

.... tho laggas don't beat good ol' beer like toowies

[Rockstar]

ahem

 

WHY!!! would you give dark side healing powers?!?!?!???

 

that is like giving the light side force lightning???

 

people dis the idea of giving the light side an enhanced force push yet the darkies want heal???

 

heal is more light than push is dark....

 

people go meh meh meh, light side only used for defense.... its used to DEFEND YOURSELF. yes they wouldn't use lightning but in ep1 how many droids did quigon push over...?? OMG he's SOOO evil

[ILR]

I'm not sure who said this first...... but...

 

It was my impression that force abilities are just force abilities, and that whether you are light side or dark side is determined on how you use the powers. Yoda absorbed Dooku's lightning in ep two, and shot it back. Say "but but! Dooku shot it!" all you want, the fact still remains that YODA SHOT LIGHTNING! He's not exactly a dark sider.

 

Also.. Mind Trick. The fuggin Emperor is doing Mind Trick on the entire galaxy. At the end of ep II everyone was clueless as to who is fuggin with the Old Republic. The Jedi aren't that dumb, it's gotta be the "dark side clouding" Yoda's always talkin about. It's just mind trick.

 

And Luke choked two pig gaurds to death in RotJ. (In quite a bad ass way I might add).

 

The thing that distinquishes light from dark is anger and peace. The dark side feeds off of rage and hate, so you get quick instant gratification force powers with little to no training by finding something to get pissed off about. Light side developes skill over long time, keeping themselves at peace.

 

At least thats my take.

[toms]

the best way to differentiate between dark and lightsiders would be for each to regenerate Force Power in different ways... and/or different force powers to use different amounts of power.

 

Lightsiders might regenerate while stationary or at rest, while dark siders might regenerate while attacking.

 

probably impossible to balance gameplay wise, but a more "realistic" way of doing things.

[Rockstar]

thank you SO SO SO SO MUCH!!! thats exactly right! yoda shot back lightning!!!

 

im sorry to have to single someone out but "Prime" said even absorbing dark powers and sending them back even only as a force push was "too dark" for the light side, when we have the LORD OF THE LIGHT SIDE (yoda) SENDING BACK FORCE LIGHTNING!!

 

THIS IS ONE POWER THAT JKA HAS TO UTILISE! i hope so much they put it in the new game

 

if not they will just make the light side lame again *sighs*

makes you wonder how much starwars lucasarts actually watch huh??

[BloodRiot]

I understand the lightside has little fun with nothing more than coutner powers or non agressive powers... no arguement there...

 

One has to think about the fun factor involved in the game.. however I must say that im worried about everything being so much about force powers... I'd prefer a crappy force pwoers system over an excelent saber system anyday...

 

I said this in a few thread already so im gonna keep this simple this time... 3 words: MOTS force system.

 

In MP make no distinction between force sides and just let the side be determined by the way one plays... the force is the same for both sides... as said before..yoda shot back lightning... luke gripped the gammoreans in ROTJ... Darth Vader uses protection in ESB when Han fires at him... Palpatine uses mind trick etc etc.

 

The bottom line for me is... Keep the saber the most effective way of killing an opponent and the force powers just as a bonus or tools that gives the player an advantage in a fight.

[Prime]

Originally posted by Rockstar

people go meh meh meh, light side only used for defense.... its used to DEFEND YOURSELF. yes they wouldn't use lightning but in ep1 how many droids did quigon push over...?? OMG he's SOOO evil

The key word in there is "droid". They are not living beings, but machines, just like a toaster. Our man Q-G never used force push on a living being, to my knowledge. As to the real reason battle droids are used in the Prequels, have a look here.

 

This, of course, has nothing to do with JO, but since we are getting into yet another game/movie debate...

 

Originally posted by ILR

It was my impression that force abilities are just force abilities, and that whether you are light side or dark side is determined on how you use the powers. Yoda absorbed Dooku's lightning in ep two, and shot it back. Say "but but! Dooku shot it!" all you want, the fact still remains that YODA SHOT LIGHTNING! He's not exactly a dark sider.

I agree. This is why I and others have proposed that the old MOTS implementation of the Force be used. This represents much more accurately what we see in the movies. The motivations and emotions at the time make a big difference.

 

Originally posted by ILR

Also.. Mind Trick. The fuggin Emperor is doing Mind Trick on the entire galaxy. At the end of ep II everyone was clueless as to who is fuggin with the Old Republic. The Jedi aren't that dumb, it's gotta be the "dark side clouding" Yoda's always talkin about. It's just mind trick.

I'd would debate that this is what is happening, but it isn't worth getting into. But suffice to say that I don't think it is a mind trick. The dark side is, by its nature, difficult to see.

 

Originally posted by ILR

And Luke choked two pig gaurds to death in RotJ. (In quite a bad ass way I might add). The thing that distinquishes light from dark is anger and peace. The dark side feeds off of rage and hate, so you get quick instant gratification force powers with little to no training by finding something to get pissed off about. Light side developes skill over long time, keeping themselves at peace.

 

At least thats my take.

Yes he did. Once again the MOTS system would reflect this the best. But if we are going to have a system where the lightside has different powers than the dark side, it can be argued that since Luke almost fell to the dark side while fighting Vader, this was a first step in that direction.

 

Originally posted by Rockstar

thank you SO SO SO SO MUCH!!!

LOL.

 

Originally posted by Rockstar

im sorry to have to single someone out but "Prime" said even absorbing dark powers and sending them back even only as a force push was "too dark" for the light side, when we have the LORD OF THE LIGHT SIDE (yoda) SENDING BACK FORCE LIGHTNING!!

Yes, I think that it is too dark for the light side. I view what Yoda did as exactly the same as deflecting blaster fire back at your attacker. This is not the same as a new offensive light side force power that you are proposing. In any case, the JO system of the Force has lightside and darkside powers. For gameplay reasons, the light side is defensive and the dark side is offensive (a decent enough representation of the movies). Because of this, having a light side power that is an attack does not fit. Again, the MOTS system would be much better.

 

Originally posted by Rockstar

THIS IS ONE POWER THAT JKA HAS TO UTILISE! i hope so much they put it in the new game

 

if not they will just make the light side lame again *sighs*

Why? It seems to me that the only reason you want it is because you want to run around shooting people with Force powers, and pretend you are a good Jedi. Yet again, why not just play using the dark side? It has everything you want. Raven has given you the option of playing either defensively or offensively. You want to play offensively. That option is there. Why are you demanding that the defensive light side has to be changed to offensive as well? This is what I am ultimately arguing against.

 

Originally posted by Rockstar

makes you wonder how much starwars lucasarts actually watch huh??

LOL. It is probably safe to assume they know more than us. Whether they do or not, theirs is the final word on the matter.

[Luc Solar]

If we got two sides of the force, there's no point whatsoever in having the dark side shoot lightning but give that to the light side as well. Please-please-oh please just play on dark side and everyone's happy.

 

Having an offensive side and a defensive side but letting the defensive side get all their own cool powers AND offensive ones is just stupid. Who would like to play dark when you can "have it all" as a lightie? Not me.

 

And how on earth would you make this whole "storing powers"-thing work? I mean.. sure, you might get a burst of lightning every now and then, but what's the point? It matters nothing. We got people noobing around maps with their lightning-key pressed down 24/7 and they get 0 kills (drain/absorb). What good would a little burst do or a powerful push for that matter? You'd have a few more buttons to bind and a much more complicated fighting system requiring a lot of programming for..what exactly?

 

As for all the "it's in teh movies"-arguments.. oh PLEASE! This is a friggin' game, not a movie! If jedimasterlukeskywalker's ass was saved by a blind Han Solo who happened to swing his stick right on Boba's jetpack's switch, it doesn't mean that it must be implemented in the game too. Vader blocked a blaster shot with his hand. We want that too? All shots just bouncing off players?

 

The MOTS-system would be cool, though.

[Prime]

Originally posted by Luc Solar

If we got two sides of the force, there's no point whatsoever in having the dark side shoot lightning but give that to the light side as well. Please-please-oh please just play on dark side and everyone's happy.

 

Having an offensive side and a defensive side but letting the defensive side get all their own cool powers AND offensive ones is just stupid. Who would like to play dark when you can "have it all" as a lightie? Not me.

 

And how on earth would you make this whole "storing powers"-thing work? I mean.. sure, you might get a burst of lightning every now and then, but what's the point? It matters nothing. We got people noobing around maps with their lightning-key pressed down 24/7 and they get 0 kills (drain/absorb). What good would a little burst do or a powerful push for that matter? You'd have a few more buttons to bind and a much more complicated fighting system requiring a lot of programming for..what exactly?

I agree completely...

 

Originally posted by Luc Solar

If jedimasterlukeskywalker's ass was saved by a blind Han Solo who happened to swing his stick right on Boba's jetpack's switch, it doesn't mean that it must be implemented in the game too.

It was a pretty sweet move though

[Rockstar]

actually, i think your right!

 

we don't need the game to be like the movies... ha!

 

we don't need anything of it to be like the movies! actually who needs force powers?! ha! thats in the movies! meh! lets just take them out hey? its only a STAR WARS GAME!

 

actually lets even get rid of light sabers!! who needs em hey?? we don't care if the game aint like the movies.... actually why even call it jedi knight??? lets call it COUNTER STRIKE or SOF2??? why don't we?? we don't care if theres nothing starwars in the game do we?

 

OFCOARSE WE WANT A STARWARS GAME TO REFLECT THE DAMN MOVIES!!

[Prime]

Originally posted by Rockstar

we don't need anything of it to be like the movies! actually who needs force powers?! ha! thats in the movies! meh! lets just take them out hey? its only a STAR WARS GAME!

 

actually lets even get rid of light sabers!! who needs em hey?? we don't care if the game aint like the movies.... actually why even call it jedi knight??? lets call it COUNTER STRIKE or SOF2??? why don't we?? we don't care if theres nothing starwars in the game do we?

 

OFCOARSE WE WANT A STARWARS GAME TO REFLECT THE DAMN MOVIES!!

But the game does not need to be exactly like the movies, because this, of course, is impossible. This is a game, and not a movie, so there are going to be differences.

 

But yes, let's try and make the JK series exactly like the movies. That means:

 

- there is no Force Heal, Dark Rage, Team Heal, Force Drain, Force Protect, or Force Absorb.

 

- there is no guided lightsaber throw

 

- besides the lightsaber, the player would not be able to use anything more than a blaster pistol (if that).

 

- there would be no Reborn to fight, because you can't imbue people with the Force.

 

- there would be no dark jedi to fight because Vader and the Emperor killed them all.

 

- light siders would be unable to push other living players, because it leads to the dark side

 

- since the game does not take place during the prequels, Kyle Katarn would not exist because the Empire would have discovered when he was born that he had Force potential. And killed him.

 

- similarly, no Jedi character other than Luke would would exist at that time, because Yoda, Obi-wan, and Luke are the only ones in existence.

 

- dark siders could only use red lightsabers, and light siders could only use blue, green, and purple.

 

- only blasters and thermal detonators would be in the game.

 

- Kyle would have turned to the dark side because he used force lightning.

 

- Kyle would have turned to the dark side for seeking revenge.

 

- Kyle would have started out with full Force powers at the beginning of JO.

 

- the game would have no powerup, shields, bacta tanks, and so on.

 

- Kyle would not be with Jan because "attachment is forbidden".

 

- and so on...

 

The point is, because it is a game and not a movie, compromises are made for gameplay and other reasons.

[Rockstar]

... you put up a good arguement lmao

 

however there are several counters:

 

as for kyles attachment, and use of weapons. this is because he isn't really actually a jedi, more of what luke was in the 1st 2 movies, really just a dude with a lightsaber and mediocre use of the force. however, in the game he becomes veeery strong with the force, more than he probably actually could (i doubt he could use lightning), however, as you said this compremise is made for game play

 

powers like absorb, and protection, they are just cool

[Prime]

Originally posted by Rockstar

as for kyles attachment, and use of weapons. this is because he isn't really actually a jedi, more of what luke was in the 1st 2 movies, really just a dude with a lightsaber and mediocre use of the force.

Indeed. That is why Kyle is such a great character, as far as gaming is concerned

[HertogJan]

But in JA, you going to play a real JEDI. And in JA, Kyle's a real Jedi too So I still can't see why you still have an arsenal like that, but hey, for gameplay's sake...