President Terminator

[ZBomber]

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator

Yes, you already get enough attention, let's keep it on american politics

 

Oh and why did you psot if you didn't have a comment?

 

Because hes hungry for posts.

 

Anyone else think this should go to Senate? it might turn debaty.

[Agen]

No because then we'd have no decent threads in the swamp. It should stay here.

[Weapon X]

here's my thoughts on what THE GOVERNMENT is thinking:

in the U.S. you have to come from a good family to go to office, let alone be president, and maybe they think that a homegrown american boy will better control the country than gunter will, it's merely a speculation and if they open the door to even ONE person not born in america then they'd have to open it to all, even our enemies and in the slim chance of a citizen from one of our enemy countries came to office then they could screw the country over. that MAY be it, i don't know, but i do know that as long as the person does a good job in office then they're ok by me, even if it is Hadji

 

p.s.- hadji was what the marines called iraqi's

 

EDIT: personally, i think that most politicians are stupid money grubbing !@#$&^$#, because they send the soldiers to fight a stupid war (i was against this last war) that could've been avoided, the war was just a show of power to other countries, i was reading something in an e-mail and it says that for a retired war veteran they get $1000 a month, but politicians get like $15000 and alls they did was send the SOLDIER to another country to kill people and be killed, i don't like politicians very much, but oh well, i think servicemen need to be treated better than even the president, because they put their lives on the line so the government can have more money, not right

[BigTeddyPaul]

I remember once I watched the English form of a senate discussing items and it was rather funny to me. Lots of yelling and gruniting and things. I think people would be called out of order in our courts but I cannot be 100% sure about that. Still really funny though from what I saw.

BigTeddyPaul

[The Count]

Anyone is better than George Bush!

[Kurgan]

Saying the whole "Mayflower thing" is outdated has no bearing on the rule about being born in America.

 

If your parents move to America from (wherever) and you are born on American soil, you are a natural born citizen, and you can someday run for president.

 

Most people in this country didn't come on the Mayflower anyway.

; )

 

And don't forget the various groups of people who came here before the Mayflower, and before Columbus.

 

And if you want to get technical, the Native Americans came here 15,000 years (or so) ago, long before they did.

 

And even they had to come here at some point, so in a sense we are all "immigrants."

 

But plenty of people are "born here" and that fits with the natural born rule.

 

 

As to politics, unfortunatley the political climate anymore (at least for the higher levels of government) has been best suited for the following types:

 

1) Rich people. It takes a lot of money to run a campaign and get the word out. Publicity helps. So people with lots of money have a built in advantage. They get pay people to say good things about them and get lots of ad coverage, and hold big rallies and things.

 

2) People who do and say what rich people want. Okay, so you don't have a lot of money, but you can get rich people to give you money for your campaign if you support the issues they like and "kiss up" to them, etc. This is what a lot of modern politicians do. Again, so they can get the money to campaign in style, etc.

 

I have no doubt that a non-natural born politician can be just as successful as a natural born one. I think the logic of the "natural born" rule was to encourage people who had a vested interest in the country (the idea being a person was more loyal if they grew up in American culture, rather than being "transplanted" and they could just as easily leave again) or that they would better understand the climate of the country by living there their whole life.

 

The other thing would be to stop a foreign government from sending somebody over here to become president and make decisions to benefit that other country (ie: corrupt). But of course, that is not to say that natural born presidents couldn't be corrupt (obviously, we've had our share of corrupt presidents in our history).

 

Of course you run into the distinction between somebody who's lived here most of their life (let's say they moved here when they were a little kid) vs. somebody born here. A few extra years might not make that much difference.

[HertogJan]

Hmmm... I don't think foreign ppl should be able to run for president... It may sound very racist, but when someone of another culture is president, it can **** up the counry pretty badly...

 

Of course Arnie isn't really really different from your average American; he came to pursue the American dream after all! But you can never be sure, so I think this law should stay...

 

Just my two €0,02