Samus Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Anyone else who thinks the saber battles seem a bit chaotic? I mean, it's a bit difficult to control the saber and hit the opponent where you want (especially with the lightstaff). This makes the saber battles mostly about hitting some buttons and hope for the best. Here's an idea for later if there is to be more games in this series: Wouldn't it be cool if when fighting dark jedi, you would enter a sort of combat mode, where you can control your strokes more precisely? This could make the saber battles more like in the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_night Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Yeah i know i was optomistic but i wanted to wield the saberstaff like darth maul vs obi wan (not qui gon i mean after he's dead) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Knight Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Blame the JKII 1.04 patch for that. It upped the saber defense so it's almost impossible to get a hit in unless you come at them with like 10-15 strokes combo'ed together. *Sigh* Didn't we already complain about this when that patch came out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 I think you have a great amount of control, especially considering your using a mouse and a keyboard. I find I can place blows right where I want. Frankly, I've found button mashing is the best way to get killed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuahtemoc Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 so learn to integrate force speed. works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 It may seem "chaotic and random" right now, but once people learn the moves it will be as skillful as any fighting game. Ever play a Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat game against somebody who doesn't know how to play? They just hit buttons at random (aka "buttom mashing") and hope for the best. But any good player knows that beating these people is easy, so long as you don't get over-confident (and let them get lucky). The same should be true of Jedi Academy (or Jedi Outcast for that matter). And please, stop whining about the blocking and saber damage, those can be easily adjusted in the console cvars, regardless of what patch you're using. JA players will have even less excuse than JK2 players had. Not only will they have the readme file and the manual, but also an IN-GAME MOVIE demonstration (in the 'datapad') that tells you exactly how to do each and every saber move and acrobatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJedi Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 If your just hitting the buttons hoping for the best you might as well go play the machines at the nearest pub or bar near you. If you actually take your time and try to place your hits you can very easily but don't expect the reborn to not defend themselves. Seems like if a game gets to hard people complain, I like a game thats hard to play. Whats the point in playing if its easy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reprehence Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Anyone feel like single saber is still easiest to control? Some of the combo moves for the double and the staff can seem chaotic - particularly the jumping spinning stuff. It seems canned and mostly un-aimable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJedi Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 What would be easier to control in real life? If lightsabers existed that is, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Prime I think you have a great amount of control, especially considering your using a mouse and a keyboard. I find I can place blows right where I want. Frankly, I've found button mashing is the best way to get killed... I wholeheartedly agree. Button-mashing gets you killed pretty fast, both in JO and now in JA. While you're swinging like mad, you're completely open to attack. If you take a little more time, and only swing (or make a move) when you see an opening, you last a lot longer. It's deeply satisfying pulling off one of the new moves as a finishing move. The only 'button-mashing' I do is during a saber-lock - or when my fingers fumble trying to press three keys at the same time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 A lot of people will whine at first, but eventually they will learn (or quit playing the game and give our eyes and ears a break, whichever comes first). I think the reason some people are finding the single saber "easier to control" is simply because it is so little changed from Jedi Outcast, and they are already used to using it. In real life, we don't have "The Force" to help us, so using a lightsaber in battle would be very difficult and we couldn't do most of the things we see people do with them in the JK series (or the prequel movies). And you'll also have to remember that in the time of the Old Republic, they were trained with sabers from early childhood. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJedi Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 ok ok, lol but the same transfers over to real weapons anyway. I think Raven did a really good job making the three stances require totally different strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessliar Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 It just takes practice. I'm much better at saber fighting now than I was when I first got the demo. There's still room for improvement though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samus Posted September 12, 2003 Author Share Posted September 12, 2003 Yeah, I guess we will learn to use the moves right, but my main point is that it looks chaotic. It may have something to do with the saber trails. They seem a bit "jagged" in a way. And sometimes I think they are sort of "exaggerated", for example when you do that move with dual sabers where they leave your hand and fly all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iblis Reborn Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Originally posted by Kurgan A lot of people will whine at first, but eventually they will learn (or quit playing the game and give our eyes and ears a break, whichever comes first). what if they actually whine all the things that kill them out of existence...like lightsabers for example...AGAIN! i really hope that raven knows that ppl always whine and thats not a valid reason to nerf things *crosses fingers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00thbe Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 I actually really like the depth of the saber system. I find that if you look where your opponent is attacking eg: your head, legs, body, etc. you can aim your attacks to go right by his saber. So if he hits high, hit low. Its very realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuahtemoc Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 personally i think the sabers are pretty practical, i mean, if you REALLY dont know what you're doing, you can try button mashing and you MAY win one or two saber fights on padawan, but i guess sabering ain't that simple any more. It does take a good amount of skill to get through chandrila on jedi knight (the level i started on). i beat JO on master and the jedi weren't as smart as they are on knight in JA, which is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00thbe Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Yes, they have really revamped the AI skill level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverhoodian Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Well, I remember the first time I played JO. It was the demo Alzoc III mission. When I fought my first Reborn, it was pure button-mashing, as I didn't know the first thing about saber fighting. My first impression was "geez, this is chaotic." over time, though, I learned all the different saber moves and found out strategies to use on them. I think it's a great saber system now in JO. Now I'm playing the JA demo and getting used to the double bladed and dual sabers, and I'm thinking "geez, this is chaotic." I know though that it'll probably be like JO, where you just have to figure it out and master the moves, then things will flow smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:Silver:. Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 I found it quite simple, after a little practice, to hit when and wear I wanted. Jump+W+Attack works wonders now. Do it against a crowd of three or more and watch the bodies fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuahtemoc Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 geez those guys were easy. but then again, it wasnt my tfirst time with the series, and besides, i had been playing soldier of fourtune as well so i was a good marksman. the first bas--Jedi i took down with the e11, force pushing him, then i shot him when he taunted me--stupid untrained wannabe jedi--the second jedi is even easier. I think the impression they're trying to make is that one is the master and the other is the student, but i found the master easier than the student, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJedi Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 It's gonna be different then JO in that there are more ways to kill your oponent with all the moves its pretty crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuahtemoc Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 affirmative kidso, but i hope they havent waned out the guns. the concussion rifle better be as good as i remember it back in Jedi Knight: Dark Forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00thbe Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 I hope the concussion rifle isnt too powerful, because then the saber will go the way of the dinosaur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJedi Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 You can repel the conc with the power of the push! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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