Keyan Farlander Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Originally posted by Zargon lets not all go down that route...porn is porn and is everywhere, so why not on Nitros site, thsoe people would go for it anyways, why shouldnt he get part of the cash And people are going to do drugs anyway, but that doesn't make it right to sell drugs. Cooperating in another's wrongdoing is to do wrong yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Selling porn has not been deemed illegal (except for certain extreme types, and in certain, usually age-based circumstances) unlike illicit drugs. It may be considered immoral by some, but that's a rough thing to pin someone down on. It's perfectly legal, with the right licenses and permits, to sell someone tobacco, alchohol, and firearms as well,.. although I may personally think the sale of all of those things is totally wrong, our society has deemed otherwise. If someone's moral standards are different than yours and has no problem with selling porn, and his local area government has no restriction on the selling of it, and there is a demand (and when it comes to pornography there is always a demand,..) then why shouldn't someone profit from it? Actually, to me the responsibility of morality falls on the buyer, anyway. If he feels it's wrong, then he shouldn't buy it. The seller is merely providing a service for those that wish it... and if they don't come to him, they will go somewhere else. The product is not being forced on anyone who doesn't wish it. (Well, except for the idiots who, despite my best efforts, continue to flood my Inbox with offers to partake... but even those are easy to spot and avoid without actually looking at them...) As long as humans have walked the Earth and figured out that images and symbols can represent ideas, porn has existed. As long as humans continue to walk the Earth in anything even close to our current form, porn will continue to exist. It will take a radical change in human biology to ever curb it for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 Originally posted by edlib It may be considered immoral by some, but that's a rough thing to pin someone down on. Morality is not reletive. If you don't think porn is immoral, then you don't have a properly formed conscience, particularly in the areas of human dignity. It's perfectly legal, with the right licenses and permits, to sell someone tobacco, alchohol, and firearms as well,.. although I may personally think the sale of all of those things is totally wrong, our society has deemed otherwise. Our society has deemed you can KILL BABIES, for God's sake. I'm not too impressed with our society's views on...anything. If someone's moral standards are different than yours... He outright admitted the immorality of it. Else I would not have even bothered to argue about it. Actually, to me the responsibility of morality falls on the buyer, anyway. If he feels it's wrong, then he shouldn't buy it. The seller is merely providing a service for those that wish it... and if they don't come to him, they will go somewhere else. The product is not being forced on anyone who doesn't wish it. (Well, except for the idiots who, despite my best efforts, continue to flood my Inbox with offers to partake... but even those are easy to spot and avoid without actually looking at them...) I disagree, but I'm curious to know if that means you have no problems with what Jack Kevorkian did? As long as humans have walked the Earth and figured out that images and symbols can represent ideas, porn has existed. As long as humans continue to walk the Earth in anything even close to our current form, porn will continue to exist. It will take a radical change in human biology to ever curb it for good. Nope, all it would take is a small change in the human heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 I just spent the better part last hour composing a rather lengthy post in response to Keyan's last one, and was literally about to click "Post" when my PC froze up... locked completely, forcing a hard reboot (only the second time that has happened in the year-and-a-half since I switched to XP) and, needless to say, I lost the whole thing. :mad: Maybe I'll retype it all out tomorrow... if I can remember all the points I made. I simply don't have the will or patience to do it now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 What is you Internet people say in moments like this? Ah yes... PWNED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Everytime I see that I think "They spelled 'Pawned' wrong!" Why a 'P" for an 'O'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 1337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Originally posted by edlib Everytime I see that I think "They spelled 'Pawned' wrong!" Why a 'P" for an 'O'? Beats me. I'm not sure anyone knows, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 25, 2004 Author Share Posted May 25, 2004 If you wanna talk about morals then look deeper to the foundation of our western society. We are rich people, doesnt matter how well off you are in comparision to everyone else in the country if you live in a "developed" country then you are rich, and we like the fact that we are rich, because otherwise we would have done something about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 what is porn? porn are more or less animated pictures of more or less naked human bodies having more or less "intensive" sex in more or less fetishivised way that are meant to "stimulate" more or less in a more or less "erotic" way. 1. everyone has a naked body 2. everyone(?) has (is going to have?) sex 3. everyone has a preferred way to do it as for the cash issue, selling porn is the same thing as selling food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Originally posted by Keyan Farlander And people are going to do drugs anyway, but that doesn't make it right to sell drugs. Cooperating in another's wrongdoing is to do wrong yourself. Which is why I dont let peoplke use my ID to go to bars or buy anyone cigarettes, the fact that it would be illegal is second hand, but porn, whether you like it or not, is legal, and must be tolerated becuase being outspokenly intolerant has gotten no one anywhere as to date. Abortion: getting more illegal as the days go by thanks to G.W., and people said he wouldnt do anything as president. I do not necessarily see porn as moral, but I do not view it as degrading towards women, mainly because, the women do it more than willingly and are heartily compensated for it, its no more degrading towards women as it is to men, we should be deemed otherwise simply because we have the more active role in sexual intercourse. [rant mode] its a touchy topic Keyan, mainly becuase well, we have a role in society to be tolerant to viewpoints that we do not agree with because thats what out society is based on, but tolerant only to the point that it doesnt get out hand, which has gotten only more difficult with the current same-sex marraige controversy, and even here at my workplace, where now same-sex individuals can be added onto insurance and signed as a life partner, with merely a signiture on a piece of paper, giving you paid time off and other benefits in teh case of serious illness or death, that are NOT available to unmarried traditional couples. Simply because they COULD get married but are not...which pretty much is the city council(this was proposed to by two very loud mouthed lesbian council members)'s way of getting around the illegality of same-sex marragie and supporting it, in a very(imho) illegal way that only hurts traditional couples legitamancy without marraige. It greatly effects me because my girlfriend and I have been together for jus tshort of 3 years and have no available benefits if she passes away unexpectedly, but for instance, if fake employee Adam in the Accounting office if gay and pu tshis new boyfriend Chuck on paperwork, and chuck dies when they have been together for 2 days, he gets up to 2 weeks paid vacation for grieving [/rant] In short, I dont car eabout Porno, it will never be removed from society,m but other morality issues are being fought and ousted, and we should concentraite and push on those while we have the chance, and some momentum still left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrawn Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Damn, I guess this means I have to get back into the running now:) I hope you all are happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Originally posted by RayJones what is porn? porn are more or less animated pictures of more or less naked human bodies having more or less "intensive" sex in more or less fetishivised way that are meant to "stimulate" more or less in a more or less "erotic" way. 1. everyone has a naked body 2. everyone(?) has (is going to have?) sex 3. everyone has a preferred way to do it That doesn't make sense. Sex is not good or bad in itself. It can be good or bad depending on the context. Intentionally arousing yourself outside of marital relations is when it is wrong. Much as eating food is not good or bad in itself. When you eat it to nourish your body, it is good. When you stuff yourself because you're a fat pig and you have nothing better to do, it is wrong. Even killing is not wrong in itself. Murder is wrong, but killing in self-defense or in the defense of another is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Originally posted by Zargon ...but porn, whether you like it or not, is legal, and must be tolerated becuase being outspokenly intolerant has gotten no one anywhere as to date. Um, I don't have to tolerate squat. I'm not suggesting that porn should be illegal. In fact, I don't think it should be. Everything immoral shoud not be illegal. Where victims are concerned, of course, but not otherwise. This has nothing to do with legality. I do not necessarily see porn as moral, but I do not view it as degrading towards women, mainly because, the women do it more than willingly and are heartily compensated for it, its no more degrading towards women as it is to men, we should be deemed otherwise simply because we have the more active role in sexual intercourse.[ Just because someone gives his consent to something does not make it right. Legal (or should be), perhaps, but that's something else. And I...don't quite get what you meant by the last part of that sentence. In short, I dont car eabout Porno, it will never be removed from society,m but other morality issues are being fought and ousted, and we should concentraite and push on those while we have the chance, and some momentum still left. What other morality issues are being ousted? Are you talking about gay marriage? That is more of a legal issue than one of morality since their lifestyle is not being questioned, only the legal ramifications of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 In my younger days, porn was a wonderful way to prevent unwanted pregnancy... As long as I was in the Band of the Hand, I was satisfied enough to keep the beef bus out of tuna town... But it stayed that way until I got engaged. In other news, I'm about a month and a half ahead of schedule to yank Chewie down from 2nd place... Now looking at about mid July instead of late August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by Keyan Farlander The sick thing is that you seem to proud of it. Come on, man, I know you're better than that. I learned a valuable lesson when I was younger... If you can't do something well, lean to enjoy doing it poorly. I got a 2% in Grade 10 art, and of all the things I did in high school, the only thing I'm more proud of is the movie I shot for my media studies class. The same school of thought applies to my character... I don't wallow in my failings: I bask in them, and I think it makes me a more honest person. I say what's on my mind, and to hell with being politically correct. I have a satirical outlook on life, and a twisted sense of humor to go with it. To paraphrase a Gene Hackman line in Crimson Tide, "If the Commander in Chief asked me if we should drop nukes on Iraq, my simple reply would be, 'Yes sir, drop that f*cker... Twice.'" I'm pro-war, because I honestly don't believe that common sense will break out long enough for any kind of stability in the world... In the next election up here in Canadiana, I'm voting for whoever plans to put the most money back into our underpowered military. I'm pro-porn for the same reason... It's here now, and it'll be around long after I'm dead and gone, so I might as well make some money off it. I'm not making it. I'm not selling it. I'm not distributing it. I'm just the guy that gets paid to stand around at an amusement park and point out the washrooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 26, 2004 Author Share Posted May 26, 2004 I totally agree with nitro's paragraph on war (i always try to correct my failings but there go...) War should be used where it's needed and it was long overdue for saddam, we should have finished the job with desert storm and stopped an evil man from slaughtering millions of his own people. However I also believe that the world is becoming more stable, america, europe, autrialia and other developing countries are becoming more economically interlinked making a war between them increasingly difficult. I would also hope that voters are becoming far more aware of the risks of voting for an extreme party. Africa will however slowly eventually become a collection of developed countries as well as all of the other nations of the world, it may take a thousand years or more, but humanity will find peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 You must download this: http://www.unitedanime.com/nnhp/Downloads/striptease.zip *Evil Snicker* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by Nitro I'm pro-porn for the same reason... It's here now, and it'll be around long after I'm dead and gone, so I might as well make some money off it. I'm not making it. I'm not selling it. I'm not distributing it. I'm just the guy that gets paid to stand around at an amusement park and point out the washrooms. Just War Theory is one thing, but issues dealing with personal human dignity are quite another. To someone who has, as I remember, professed a belief in God, this is a downright dangerous line of reasoning. If you've changed your mind and come to the conclusion that there is no God after all, then OK, you can do as you wish without fear of consequences. Otherwise, remember that you are not meant get along with the world - you are meant to challenge it. Don't you realize that saying there's nothing you feel you can do about it so you'll just go along with it is...really asking for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 27, 2004 Author Share Posted May 27, 2004 God does not tell us to challenge the world. He tells us to challenge the immoral belief's of the world. I would like to find a quote in the bible that says porn is wrong, i've looked, but all it ever talks about is sexual immorality, but never defines what that is. On the note of concequences, God loves us and forgives us for our sins, through Jesus Christ we get into heaven not through the lives we live. If we are not meant to get along with the world how can we spread the word of God to others? Every friend I've had has asked me about my beliefs at some point in time, generally they respect them, I've never tried to convert anyone, but one of my friends decided he wanted to come to church once, he only stayed for about 4 months but he was happier during that time than I've ever seen him. Pushing religion onto people, especially when you refuse to accept their beliefs and continually fight their lifestyle will only turn them further away from God. In the end all you can do is show them through the way you live your life, telling people what they can and can not do will send them away. Note: I certainly do not have any of this perfect, infact I am not a good christian, but I know and understand my beliefs, I just hope I can find the strength to live up to them some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Well, if I'm going to hell, at least I'll have tons of company. Seriously, though, I spent 45 minutes writing a post for this last night, and my pc decided to crap a brick when I tried to post it... Sometimes I hate computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 That happened to you too?!? Uh... strange... Keyan... is there something we should know about this? Perhaps I shouldn't read too much into it... it is Windows after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Well, as long as we're being bad, let's all switch to Linux and worship Linus Torvalds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 27, 2004 Author Share Posted May 27, 2004 well sure if you want ur computer to crash more often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt God does not tell us to challenge the world. He tells us to challenge the immoral belief's of the world. That's, like, what that means. I would like to find a quote in the bible that says porn is wrong, i've looked, but all it ever talks about is sexual immorality, but never defines what that is. Even if you couldn't get it from the Bible, which should be no problem, you can get it from Natural Law, teaching of the Church, common sense, etc. On the note of concequences, God loves us and forgives us for our sins, through Jesus Christ we get into heaven not through the lives we live. No. The way we live our lives determines exactly whether we will be in heaven or hell. You go to hell if you die having commited any mortal sin in your life, unless you have obtained forgiveness for it. Why else would Christ have given the apostles the power to forgive sins or not forgive them? It's all up to you. If you chose to love God through obedience to his commands, then you choose God and will be with him in heaven. If you decide you aren't interested in being with God, then you won't be. That's hell. For people who haven't had the opportunity to have an explicit knowledge of God, of right and wrong, they will be judged on how they have lived based on what they do know. Whether they have searched out God without even knowing it by clinging to what they know to be right and true or they have embraced greed, hate, and lust. We all have to make a choice, and it isn't made by saying, "I believe in God" or "I am a Christian." That doesn't mean anything. It's what you do and how you live. Pushing religion onto people, especially when you refuse to accept their beliefs and continually fight their lifestyle will only turn them further away from God. In the end all you can do is show them through the way you live your life, telling people what they can and can not do will send them away. This has nothing to do with converting people from other religions, it's about people doing what they already know they need to do. And sometimes tough love is required for people get themselves straight on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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