Commander 598 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/09/gun.control.rally.ap/index.html Having my own firearms collection, and living in Rural North Louisiana, anything involving firearms bans is pertaining to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Rabbit Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Given the unusual political climate in the United States these days, I think firearms in the community at large is a pretty good idea. The people need to be in a position to oppose tyranny should it develop at home. Go ahead and ban whatever you want, you cosmic industrial hogmunchers--it's too late. You don't know what we have now, and if you can't find nerve gas in Iraq, you retarded bozos sure as hell aren't going to be able to find paw's shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 I always assumed that within hours of an armed resistance beginning, they'd acquire tanks, strike aircraft, and nuclear weapons. Maybe even a few carriers. So I'm not really THAT concerned about losing our means to resist. But I am pissed that 2/3rds of the guns I want to own are illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 I will not try to argue that selling guns stops or increases violent crime, criminals can get hold of the guns more easily, people can protect themselves, I can only hope this balances out. However there are countless stories of accidents involving guns in the home, where children have gotten hold of a gun and someone, often a child, has jragicly died. Often computer games, TV, film or other forms of media are blamed, but at the end of the day if the guns were not avaible these tradjedies would not have occured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 Originally posted by Nute Gunray I always assumed that within hours of an armed resistance beginning, they'd acquire tanks, strike aircraft, and nuclear weapons. Maybe even a few carriers. So I'm not really THAT concerned about losing our means to resist. But I am pissed that 2/3rds of the guns I want to own are illegal. With the proper manpower and equipment, I can have Barksdale AFB under Confederate control within a few hours. Barksdale is best known for being a major base for countless B52s adn A10s. I'm willing to bet theres a nuclear weapon somewhere on site, and the only thing protecting the place are the Gate Guards and what appears to be a single squadron of F-16s*. Thats right, no real AA defenses that I know of. *Not entirely sure, but its an Aerial Fighter. However there are countless stories of accidents involving guns in the home, where children have gotten hold of a gun and someone, often a child, has jragicly died. Often computer games, TV, film or other forms of media are blamed, but at the end of the day if the guns were not avaible these tradjedies would not have occured. I'd say thats human stupidity at work, and in some cases Darwinism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Weapons bans only take guns/weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens. (Something politicians don't seem to understand). F-16s are decent highly manuverable planes. As for the children who kill themselves with a gun, is an interesting form of population control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Weapon bans do reduce the number of criminals with guns, it makes it far more difficult for them to get hold of guns. The chance of you manging to even pull a gun out of ur pocket before someone shoots you in the head is remote to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 30, 2004 Author Share Posted May 30, 2004 Most of the firearms criminals have, weren't acquired by legal means, and i'm not talking about robbing a gun store either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt Weapon bans do reduce the number of criminals with guns, it makes it far more difficult for them to get hold of guns. Rocket Propelled Grenades are illegal in every western country, but I bet you could have one by the end of next week if you wanted them. Making things illegal doesn't make them magically disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Rabbit Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 You can make an RPG out of an oxygen tank and a hammer. Might have difficulty aiming it, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 30, 2004 Author Share Posted May 30, 2004 Well, considering thats pretty much what Afghans were shooting at US Bases some time ago, shouldn't be too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Ill just note that here, in england we have far less gun crime than america, I think thats because we ban guns. Whether or not it stops the criminals getting them it certainly reduces the deaths from guns, if it saves even one life it is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrawn Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Guns will never be banned in America, as it is too entrenched in the American experience. It doesn't bother me that much to have the right to bear arms, so long as the proper background checks are completed and they come with child safety locks. However, assault weapons are another matter. There's know justification good enough to warrant owning one of these guns. They're designed for killing, not self-defense or hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 Assault Weapons(Semi-Auto Assault Rifles) can serve the same purposes as any other semi-auto firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Rabbit Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Originally posted by Thrawn Guns will never be banned in America, as it is too entrenched in the American experience. Not to mention, we already have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Criminals may get their guns from illegal sources but that doesnt mean the same number of guns on the street if they are banned. In countries where guns are banned it makes it far more difficult to bring them into the country and more difficult to prove that you own a gun legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 Do those "other countries" have millions of illegal immigrants pouring steadily over a border that stretches several hundred straight miles every year? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 If you can't get your hands on the gun you will use the next handy item, most likely a knife. Result Gun deaths down stabbings up. I do know that gun deaths are lowered when more people have guns (especially concealed ones). Look at Texas for example, it is one of the states with the fewest restrictions, and has one the lowest gun crime records. This is because the criminal knows who ever he is going to attack/rob ect. may be carrying a weapon and could kill him. Makes you think twice. Now say you ban guns. That means the criminal pretty much knows you will not be able to defend yourself.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Originally posted by Thrawn However, assault weapons are another matter. There's know justification good enough to warrant owning one of these guns. They're designed for killing, not self-defense or hunting. The assault weapon ban's qualifications of what exactly an assault rifle is are so bizarre that a flare gun technically counts as an assault rifle (it's a grende launcher). None of what makes an gun an "assault weapon" are actual mechanical things. They are all cosmetic: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (v) a grenade launcher. Also things that hold more than 10 bullets, which includes plenty of perfectly useful pistols and shot guns. Odd that, oh, fully automatic weapons aren't considered assault rifles. Any why should I be disallowed to purchase a G36k that I want to put in a case and look at? Oh no it has a pistol grip so its an evil killing assault rifle that will murder millions of babies while its locked away in a glass and steel case. I can't own my G36K not because it's a full blown military assault rifle, but because its got a folding stock, bayonet mount, pistol grip, and a barrel designed to have a flash surpressor. Oh boy, with my flash surpressor mount I might just be driven to murder again and again! Nevermind that 1.7% of all teh guns in the US are assault weapons and that only .2% of all gun crimes were commited with one of those big scary assault rifles. I also would like to get me a good old MG-42 or M-1 Garand because they're awesome history weapons, but oh no they look sinister. I'm sorry that collecting isn't a good enough reason for me to own something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted June 1, 2004 Author Share Posted June 1, 2004 I also would like to get me a good old MG-42 or M-1 Garand because they're awesome history weapons, but oh no they look sinister. I'm sorry that collecting isn't a good enough reason for me to own something. You can find Garands of varying quality at any gun show(And just about any Gun store), not to mention AR-15s(And AR-15s that look like M4A1s), HK G3s, M1 Carbines, M14s, Mini-14s, Ak47s, SKS, and 10,000 different kinds of ammo and magazines. The last gun show I went to, I saw stacks of 30rd magazines for various "Assault Weapons" like Ak74s and M16/M4/AR15s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 The only kind of firearm I want is an MP-90. Not for its function, but just 'cause it looks so frickin' cool. It's like something out of sci-fi. FWIW, I'm wondering when the right to bear arms became the right to own guns. So guns are being banned --big deal. there are other weapons. Collect swords, axes, crossbows. Learn archery. Join your local SCA and suss out the good armourers. Heck, most of the time the perp knocking over a 7-11 doesn't even fire; the gun's there as a psychological prop to freak out the shopkeeper. Showing up in a suit of plate-mail, wielding a broadsword and bellowing Welsh battle-cries at the top of your lungs works just as well. Heck of a lot more fun too. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted June 2, 2004 Author Share Posted June 2, 2004 But they just don't have the bang that firearms do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Flying Beastie there are other weapons. Yeah, but they aren't very good for fighting who is trying to oppress you with their guns. Technically, I should be allowed to have my own TOW missiles and 88mm cannons. Arms means way more than guns and knifes. In fact, back when they wrote the Constitution, there were artillery pieces in private hands. They were loaned to the government when it needed them. This continued up into the 1830s when the government could afford to own vast amounts of weapons and they didn't have to borrow the (apparently legal) private artillery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by Nute Gunray private artillery I'm sorry, but that just makes me horny. Also, isn't it funny that the Army loans howitzers to ski hills? I used to work at a ski hill... ... ... ... Ok, Keyan... I'm giving up the porn pimping and moving out west to get a job playing with artillery. *BOOOOOOM!!!* *random skiier explodes as a shell lands on him* "I TOLD YOU NOT TO BANG YOUR POLES ON THE CHAIRLIFT TOWERS, MOTHERF**KER!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Explosives would make skiing fun. And boy, are they happy when they clear the landmines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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