El Sitherino Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Australia Institute executive director Clive Hamilton said: "No man who regularly uses pornography can have a healthy sexual relationship with a woman. hahahaha, I beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroki Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Well, in truth, I am a Christian, but believe it or not, that isn't why I do not look at porn. I do not look at porn because I love one girl, and only that one. I would say that men who claim to be in a 'happy relationship' and look at porn, arn't really that happy at all. The one you love should be all that you need. You shouldn't get a craving for other women. Naturally you'll glance at an attractive woman from time to time...but you always look away. You don't go home and wank over her... If you find somebody, that you love, truely are in love with, you won't need any other girl to please you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 not true, sometimes you just can't get any, and you need to release it. just because I wank to the person, doesn't mean I love them or even find them attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 and marriages were healthier Bullcrap. I know. And of course everyone will say positive things about porn, because they are being satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 because there is nothing negative to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 Bullcrap. I know. And of course everyone will say positive things about porn, because they are being satisfied. You have not provided any evidence to your claim, even in the face of evidence to the contrary. I'm not saying you are wron,g I'm simply stating that you have not given an argument to back up the beliefs you've presented. Hiroki, you present an idealized view of love, though one I still have faith exists for some people. However, for the majority, love means compromises. Sometimes you compromise a fully satisfying sex life to remain with a partner that is perfect in every other way. For such relationships, fantasy and pornography can be acceptable outlets for person making that compromise. It is certainly an outlet that does not cause further harm to the relationship in the way that seeking a more fullfilling sexlife in the arms of another person on the side would, or denyuing those desires altogether wich could cause problems at a later point in the relationship were the problem would be much more complex. Another thing to consider is that different cultures, and different individuals do not view sex, sexuality, sexual satifaction, pornography, polygamy, open relationships, monogamy, or anything of these things in the same way. Some people think many of these things are bad, while others view them as healthy endeavours. Some people in this thread have brought up the issue of dignity. In some cases that is an issue, in others it is not. Some people that work in the porn industry enjoy what they do very much, and do not think any less of themselves because of it. Many people in this thread have equated pornography to naked pictures of women, completely overlooking the fact that male pornography exists, and the idea that some pornography of either men or women can be aimed at one gender or the other. Yes indeed there are women out there that enjoy pornographic images of other women. Does that turn women into objects for them? Must one view porn stars as objects? To say this must be so is akin to saying that people must view their sexual partner as a object if they're to achieve any pleasure from it. There are, of course, valid reasons not to like pornography, but these reasons are not limited to the porn industry at all. Also, all to often it seems to me that those crusading against porn are doing it for all the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Let me ask some questions: Can you go one week without looking at porn (I mean... like... actually looking for porn, if something just "pops up" without any help on your part, then.. thats NOT your fault) If not.. your addicted. (Personal question, no need to answere if you don't want to) Does your girlfriend think its ok for you to watch porn? Hmmm. Last few questions: Do you continue to look at the same pics, or do you continue to search for more forms of porn? If so, its obvious your sexual wants change, so... if you arent satisfied with one picture, how can you be satisfied with one woman? I think this ups your chances of cheating on her. I mean... look, if you can't control your sexual urges on a computer, how do you expect to when a sexy young woman starts hitting on you? So what's so bad about pornography? Overall, porn affects every viewer negatively, regardless of religious belief, creed, gender or age. Here is an ever-growing list of reasons that explain why. 1) Pornography feeds lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh, which are never satisfied. It leaves the viewer craving more and more in order to achieve the same "sexual high." It easily enslaves people to their own cravings and opens the door to other forms of evil, like anger, abuse, violence, hatred, lying, envy, compulsiveness and selfishness. The power behind porn is revealed when the porn addict tries to stop their habit - its virtually impossible without help. 2) Pornography sexualizes the viewer's mindset. It warps and perverts their perspective such that sex is unnaturally elevated in their thoughts. Porn's images are stamped into viewer's brain with the aid of hormones released during sexual arousal. Even if a person decides to stop looking at porn, the past images can remain for years or even a lifetime. 3) Pornography promotes destructive practices and can lead to progressive addiction. For example, porn sites routinely link viewers to depictions of every type of sexual perversion imaginable, such as child porn, homosexuality, bestiality, necrophilia (sexual interest in corpses), masochism (pleasure from abuse or suffering), rape and sadism (gratification from inflicting physical or mental pain on others). The viewer's exposure to such themes naturally increases the likelihood that they may attempt to act out what they've viewed. This can lead to sexual crimes, a la the late Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway (The Green River Killer). 4) Pornography intensifies an individual's drive to serve oneself, rather than serve others. For example, masturbation, which typically accompanies looking at pornography reinforces a self-centered sexual orientation (i.e. lust), which can detract from a person's ability to give and receive love. 5) Pornography addiction can lead to debt. The convenience of credit card transactions on the internet encourages covert spending without limit. Additionally, pornographers flood common internet areas with enticing banner ads ("teasers") and spam email, which bait potential viewers with free porn. Once lured by the free porn to the site, the viewers must then pay to see more. 6) By viewing and/or purchasing porn, viewers are supporting the porn industry and facilitating its growth. By viewing porn, the viewer is also contributing to the sexual exploitation of whoever or whatever is in the images he or she is viewing. 7) Looking at porn can damage the viewer's family relationships, not to mention increasing the chance of his or her spouse and children finding the material. Porn may also inspire the viewer to explore incest, which is a common porn theme. Other things porn may inspire in the viewer (which could in turn affect the family) include sexual frustration, lying, abuse, affairs, debt, violent behavior and irrational thinking. (see Testimonials on how porn destroys lives) 8) Looking at porn at work could damage the viewer's reputation, decrease his or her productivity and lead to job loss. It could also inspire unhealthy and/or inappropriate relationships with co-workers. 9) Looking at porn can damage the viewer's current or future marriage sex life. Porn viewers may find that it's difficult to enjoy true intimacy with their spouse when they're fantasizing about somebody else! Additionally, porn builds an unrealistic perception of sexual relations. Porn sex is a portrayal or an act made for the viewer's enjoyment. It takes what God intended as a private expression of love between a husband and wife and prostitutes it for entertainment. When a person has been looking at sexual pictures of other people for entertainment, he or she will have a downgraded value of sex. This in turn will detract from their appreciation and value of sex with their spouse. 10) Looking at porn will increase the viewer's tendency to lie, because he or she will have a natural desire to keep it secret to avoid criticism, embarrassment, shame and/or having to surrender their habit. 11) Looking at porn can lead a person into masturbation addiction. 12) Looking at porn brings serious spiritual consequences (see consequences page). For example, it opens the doorway to spiritual oppression and confusion in the viewer's life. The power behind pornography is inherently evil. It seeks to control and dominate the viewer's life, while allowing other forms of evil to gain influence in that person. Once a person starts looking at the porn, their eyes become the gateway for the evil power to enter them. As it gains influence, the evil can numb the viewer's ability discern right and wrong. As traditional moral values are blurred, confusion sets in. 13) Looking at porn helps you start to believe the lies it promotes. Examples lies include: Sexual freedom = happiness Perverted sex is more enjoyable than "normal" heterosexual sex (homosexual sex, incest, BDSM, etc) There are no consequences to sexual promiscuity Sexual expression is a right, not a God-given or God-defined gift You can live a healthy life with the porn images floating around in your mind Porn doesn't harm anyone Sex is something to be done primarily for self gratification The porn stars are the happiest people on earth Adults can view porn without any lasting side effects Porn will help your sex life Porn is just a harmless thing that everybody looks at Source: http://www.porn-free.org/porn_is_bad.htm Many people in this thread have equated pornography to naked pictures of women, completely overlooking the fact that male pornography exists, and the idea that some pornography of either men or women can be aimed at one gender or the other. Yes indeed there are women out there that enjoy pornographic images of other women. Does that turn women into objects for them? As for me, I know there are pictures of naked guys, and that women watch porn, but there are no women here posting about there porn viewing... thing.. (unless insane sith is lying... im kidding man) I mainly post about women in the porn, because I assume most guys look at women. I guess the fact that I am guy also makes me refer to women more than men, is a factor also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 1) Pornography feeds lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh, which are never satisfied. It leaves the viewer craving more and more in order to achieve the same "sexual high." It easily enslaves people to their own cravings and opens the door to other forms of evil, like anger, abuse, violence, hatred, lying, envy, compulsiveness and selfishness. The power behind porn is revealed when the porn addict tries to stop their habit - its virtually impossible without help. "Lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh?" Lust is merely a human construct and exists only in the mind, not the unthinking eyes or "flesh." A trite point perhaps, but it demonstrates the pseudoscientific methodology of your source. What's the empirical data that supports the conclusion that pornography "opens the door to other forms of evil?" Remember, correlation does not immediately imply causation. Otherwise, there would be something to be concerned about eating white bread (90% of all convicted criminals eat white bread on a habitual basis after all). Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 2) Pornography sexualizes the viewer's mindset. It warps and perverts their perspective such that sex is unnaturally elevated in their thoughts. Porn's images are stamped into viewer's brain with the aid of hormones released during sexual arousal. Again, more pseudoscience as far as I can tell. What is the empirical data that your source uses? What constitutes "unnaturally elevated?" What does a "sexualized mindset" consist of? This appears to be post-modernist garbage mixed with religiocentric perspective. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 3) Pornography promotes destructive practices and can lead to progressive addiction. [...] The viewer's exposure to such themes naturally increases the likelihood that they may attempt to act out what they've viewed. This can lead to sexual crimes, a la the late Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway (The Green River Killer). Again, an obvious fallacy that lacks empirical data. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, to be exact. To suggest that sexual criminals got their start in pornography is ludicrous without empirical demonstration. In fact, I'd argue that there is likely a preponderance of evidence to the contrary. I'm personally aquainted with many people, perhaps several dozen, that enjoy pornography. None has ever been convicted or accused of anything more serious than a traffic ticket. If the source is to be believed, Family Safe Media (2004) reports that the 2003 statistics of internet pornography included the following: 15-17 year olds having multiple hard-core exposures 80% Men admitting to accessing pornography at work 20% Women admitting to accessing pornography at work 13% US adults who regularly visit Internet pornography websites 40 million In 2001, the number of rapes reported to law enforcement totaled 90,491 incidents (FBI, October 2002). Taking into consideration that there were more than 250 million people in the U.S. in 2001 and that the pornography statistics above have not decreased, a little bit of math is all that is needed: 90.5 / 40,000 = .2%. Therefore, if each of the 90.5 k rapes were comitted as many rapists and each of these rapists were among the 40 million who look at internet porn (or even higher number that view other porn media), then only .2% of them become rapists. Hardly enough to draw a correlation. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 4) Pornography intensifies an individual's drive to serve oneself, rather than serve others. What are the empirical data? Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 5) Pornography addiction can lead to debt. What percentage of the 40 million internet porn users are in debt because of it? But then the key word there is "can," isn't it? For that matter, addiction to roller coasters can lead to debt (have you seen the price for an entry to 6 Flags?). The real consideration here is how many of the 40 million porn internet porn users and users of other pornographic media are truly addicted? What consistutes addiction? I think that once this is answered, it would be discoverd that only a small percentage of the population is actually addicted to some or multiple forms of pornography. Those addicted to the lotto are probably far higher and more problematic for society than porn (lotto is the tax on the ignorant, after all). Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 6) By viewing and/or purchasing porn, viewers are supporting the porn industry and facilitating its growth. By viewing porn, the viewer is also contributing to the sexual exploitation of whoever or whatever is in the images he or she is viewing. Poppycock. What are the statistics on true exploitation (those being forced to create pornographic media) versus those that choose to participate and benefit financially? This is, again, merely some religiocentric loudmouths imposing their own self-righteous morality on others. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 7) Looking at porn can damage the viewer's family relationships, not to mention increasing the chance of his or her spouse and children finding the material. Again: 40 million + porn users on the internet alone. Show me the empirical evidence that implies pornography as a causation for the 950,000 divorces that occured in 2001 (Kreider, 2001). Even if each and every one was related to porn, that still only 2.3% of the 40 million. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 8) Looking at porn at work could damage the viewer's reputation, decrease his or her productivity and lead to job loss. It could also inspire unhealthy and/or inappropriate relationships with co-workers. Says what empirical data? You might also say that looking at porn could increase your odds of winning an iPod, since these ads frequently pop up during surfing the internet. Eating white bread again. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 9) Looking at porn can damage the viewer's current or future marriage sex life. See refutation to number 7; for the rest, there is also an equally valid hypothesis that viewing porn can add to familial relationships, particularly the sex life. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 10) Looking at porn will increase the viewer's tendency to lie, because he or she will have a natural desire to keep it secret to avoid criticism, embarrassment, shame and/or having to surrender their habit. Blah, blah, blah... empirical data? Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 11) Looking at porn can lead a person into masturbation addiction. Perhaps in your case, but a study of one is too small a sample size. What statistics and studies does your source cite for masturbation addiction? Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 12) Looking at porn brings serious spiritual consequences Religious poppycock based on unbounded concepts, therefore discarded from the argument as irrelevant. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 13) Looking at porn helps you start to believe the lies it promotes. No more than reading science fiction & fantasy, regularly visiting the cinema or theatre, or playing RPG games. The human mind has both the abilities to lose itself in fantasy and separate fantasy from reality. Those that lose themselves in porn may already have problems with other imersions in fantasy, which would imply that it isn't pornography which is at fault, but the user. In every single point that your source creates, there is a manufactured "fact" or set of "facts." This is consistent with pseudoscience, which seeks to create a false solution or answer based on scientific sounding verbage. But saying that X plus Y equals Z is meaningless unless the work can be shown. Just because it seems intuitive on some level that pornography is bad for society doesn't mean that it truly is until the data are used to demonstrate it to be. It seems more likely to me that "porn" is a symptom of societal problems rather than societal problems being a symptom of porn. But the unquestioning belief in baloney like this won't solve the problems. It certainly won't help identify them. References: FBI (October 2002). Crime in the United States, Uniform Crime Reports 2001. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Justice. Family Safe Media (2004). Pornography Statistics 2003 Found at: http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html Kreider, Rose (2001). Number, Timing, and Duration of Marriages and Divorces: Fall 1996. Current Population Reports, P70-80. U.S. Census Bureau, Washington, DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroki Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by Radd Sometimes you compromise a fully satisfying sex life to remain with a partner that is perfect in every other way. For such relationships, fantasy and pornography can be acceptable outlets for person making that compromise. Well, I can answer that, by simply saying: If you truely love her, she would be beautiful to your eyes. Edit: I should also note, that any post about this subject, including my own, are highly opinionated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 whoa, everybody seems to think i masturbate over nude pics as well. I don't defend porn because i like it, i do so because i see nothing negative about it. But i don't watch it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Poppycock. What are the statistics on true exploitation (those being forced to create pornographic media) versus those that choose to participate and benefit financially? This is, again, merely some religiocentric loudmouths imposing their own self-righteous morality on others. It does fund the sites, by visiting and upping the hit count, loading ads, etc pays the "pornographers." Lust is merely a human construct and exists only in the mind, not the unthinking eyes or "flesh." Lust is a discription for a mental action, of course it only exists in the mind, thats the only place it can exist. What does a "sexualized mindset" consist of? Obviously its a mind fixed on sex. See refutation to number 7; for the rest, there is also an equally valid hypothesis that viewing porn can add to familial relationships, particularly the sex life. Read what else "I" said. Ill quote it for ya: "Do you continue to look at the same pics, or do you continue to search for more forms of porn? If so, its obvious your sexual wants change, so... if you arent satisfied with one picture, how can you be satisfied with one woman? I think this ups your chances of cheating on her. I mean... look, if you can't control your sexual urges on a computer, how do you expect to when a sexy young woman starts hitting on you?" Blah, blah, blah... empirical data? Thats right skinwalker, lets make a new poll: "How many people lie about looking at pornography?" I bet they will tell the truth now No more than reading science fiction & fantasy, regularly visiting the cinema or theatre, or playing RPG games. The human mind has both the abilities to lose itself in fantasy and separate fantasy from reality. Those that lose themselves in porn may already have problems with other imersions in fantasy, which would imply that it isn't pornography which is at fault, but the user. I realise your not nessesarily denying the "fact" but... still, reread the thread, some of the people here have said exactly that. And of course skinwalker, because someone hasn't recorded a bunch of stats makes all of the info false. Fortunatly, the site I visited has stats: Current Statistics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NCPCF seeks to be a source for the most current statistics on pornography and surrounding issues. If you do not see a statistic you are looking for, please call NCPCF at (513)521-6227. Pornography Approximately 40 million people in the United States are sexually involved with the Internet Exposing Porn: Science, Religion, and the New Addiction, Paul Strand. Christian Broadcasting Network, 2004. One in five children ages 10-17 have received a sexual solicitation over the Internet Remainder of the statistics found at: http://www.nationalcoalition.org/stat.html Edit: Reduced quoted material to adhere to "fair use" standards and to reduce thread size. Please follow the link for relative stats. --SkinWalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by Hiroki I would say that men who claim to be in a 'happy relationship' and look at porn, arn't really that happy at all. Bollocks. I am AMAZINGLY happy with my current relationship, and I look at porn. Originally posted by Hiroki If you find somebody, that you love, truely are in love with, you won't need any other girl to please you. Well, perhaps I'm not TRULY in love, though I'd say so. I love my girlfriend more than anything in this world and would do anything for her, and yet, I look at porn. Your statement there is slightly fallacious though, looking at porn doesn't mean I'm having another girl pleasing me. I'm pleasing myself with visual aids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroki Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Why can you not simply think of the girl you love, when you need "visual aids"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Originally posted by Hiroki Why can you not simply think of the girl you love, when you need "visual aids"? Because..... the "pay off" is better. Duh. Now, luke, porn has done some bad things to you, but that doesn't mean it's bad. Let's use medicine for an example. Some people can die or get sick from side-effects, but for other people, it does nothing other than what it's supposed to do. Of course, porn doesn't kill anyone, but you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroki Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 *his IQ drops from hearing ZBombers answer to his question* Uh...thanks for that... *smacks into a wall* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Originally posted by Hiroki *his IQ drops from hearing ZBombers answer to his question* Uh...thanks for that... *smacks into a wall* Well, there isn't a "scientific" reason for that..... why would you want to see an image in your head, when you could see a REAL image, not one generated from your mind. Just pretend it's your g/f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Originally posted by Hiroki Why can you not simply think of the girl you love, when you need "visual aids"? some people don't have that good of a mental rendering of images. You know, that whole imagination deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 It does fund the sites, by visiting and upping the hit count, loading ads, etc pays the "pornographers." Capitalism at its best. No one appears "exploited." To click or not to click is the user's choice most of the time. In regards to other media, the user chooses to rent or buy. The models choose to pose or act out the sex. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 Lust is a discription for a mental action, of course it only exists in the mind, thats the only place it can exist. And yet your quote discussed "lust" as being a part of the eye and the "flesh," as if the epithelial layers of the body had some separate consciousness. Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 "Do you continue to look at the same pics, or do you continue to search for more forms of porn? If so, its obvious your sexual wants change, so... if you arent satisfied with one picture, how can you be satisfied with one woman? And yet, what explains the thousands of people who are completely monogomous and still enjoy pornographic images? Indeed, what is the empirical data that supports the notion that porn leads to polygomous relationships? Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 And of course skinwalker, because someone hasn't recorded a bunch of stats makes all of the info false. Fortunatly, the site I visited has stats: You obviously missed my point. I'm saying that the correlation to pornography and other "evils" may or may not exist. But it is ignorant and irresponsible to presume so without supporting data. Saying the correlation exists doesn't make it exist. Demonstrating the correlation is necessary. Your site's statistics did not support the site's claims. None of the claims on the pseudoscience site were supported in the statistics. In fact, I used some of the very same statistics to prove that a correlation did not exist between pornography and rape that would suggest a causation. The site is pseudoscience. And furthermore, it is irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 "Do you continue to look at the same pics, or do you continue to search for more forms of porn? If so, its obvious your sexual wants change, so... if you arent satisfied with one picture, how can you be satisfied with one woman? I think this ups your chances of cheating on her. I mean... look, if you can't control your sexual urges on a computer, how do you expect to when a sexy young woman starts hitting on you?" as far as i can tell, and after my experience girls (especially my girl) think this way, good sex is not about always being the same routine, it must not be always "fluffy", "romantic" and "lovely". to keep a sexlife "exciting" sex should vary. that does not imply a man/woman "needs" multiple "men/women" to be happy. and it does not imply "extraordinary techniques" or whatever. it just implies what it says: variation. and it always depends to what a man/woman prefers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroki Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Let me clear some things up with my opinion. There is pornography, and there is "pr0n". Now personally, I look at neither. But I know some people who look at 'porn', and are married, and I do not hold it against them. Pornography are simple photo shoots, that allow you to admire the nude body of a woman, as something beautiful. You do not wank over her in general, but admire the female body for the beautiful thing it is. 'pr0n' is sex smut. Tasteless displays of people having warped forms of sex. Now, if you aren’t married, if you aren’t in a stable relationship, knock yourself out on this crap, if you want to waist your time. But I can not stand by somebody claiming to be happily in love, and in a happy relationship, saying that they NEED to look at this to make it work. That should clear things up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Er... pr0n is just another word for the same things. You're practically saying palyboy is full of art.... Also, if pornography was art, then it would be called art, and pr0n would be called pornography... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Originally posted by Hiroki But I can not stand by somebody claiming to be happily in love, and in a happy relationship, saying that they NEED to look at this to make it work. I never said I NEED porn. I merely said I enjoy watching porn from time to time. And don't you try and tell me I'm not happily in love, because you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroki Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Well, I feel sorry for you then, ET. I really do, but to each his own I guess... And no, playboy is no art. They arn't in perverted poses, in the photo shoots I mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Originally posted by Hiroki Well, I feel sorry for you then, ET. I really do, Do NOT feel sorry for me. There is nothing to be sorry about. I am a healthy 19 year old male in a healthy long-term relationship with a girl who makes my life better. Porn is just another one of the activities I enjoy, like watching movies or playing video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I think when people like that say "I feel sorry for..." others, they really mean that they're sorry that others don't think the way they do. Ethnocentrism, religiocentrism, and cultural relativism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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