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[Nute Gunray]

Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight was the high water mark of rap. All down hill since then.

 

Any song with this in it is a winner in my book:

have you ever went over a friends house to eat

and the food just aint no good

i mean the macaroni's soggy the peas are mushed

and the chicken tastes like wood

so you try to play it off like you think you can

by sayin that youre full

and then your friend says momma he's just being polite

he aint finished uh uh that's bull

so your heart starts pumpin and you think of a lie

and you say that you already ate

and your friend says man there's plenty of food

so you pile some more on your plate

while the stinky foods steamin your mind starts to dreamin

of the moment that it's time to leave

and then you look at your plate and your chickens slowly rottin

into something that looks like cheese

oh so you say that's it i got to leave this place

i dont care what these people think

im just sittin here makin myself nauseous

with this ugly food that stinks

so you bust out the door while its still closed

still sick from the food you ate

and then you run to the store for quick relief

from a bottle of kaopectate

and then you call your friend two weeks later

to see how he has been

and he says i understand about the food

baby bubbah but we're still friends

[Kylilin]

Rap has done more harm to society than any other kind of music. It has perpetuated the objectification of women, glorification of violence in general and towards women, glorification of drugs, and most of it is just downright lewd and crude.

 

Yeah, cause no other music ever did that before rap...

The phrase "Sex drugs, and Rock n' Roll" has been around a lot longer than rap has.

Rap is also a product of the environment of the streets where it was created, I wouldn't expect someone who grew up in the suburbs, like most of you, to understand the life of someone who grew up in in the streets of New York City, like I did.

 

There's nothing musical about putting words to a beat.

 

That's what music is, just because one is sung and the other is spoken does not make it all that much different.

 

Yes, I actually can rap as well as anyone who has ever done it.

 

Nonsense...here is my proof...

 

Stern firm and young with a laid-back tongue

The aim is to succeed and achieve at 21

Just like Ringling Brothers, I'll daze and astound

Captivate the mass, cause the prose is profound

Do it for the strong, we do it for the meek

Boom it in your boom it in your boom it in your Jeep

Or your Honda or your Beemer or your Legend or your Benz

The rave of the town to your foes and your friends

So push it, along, trails, we blaze

Don't deserve the gong, don't deserve the praise

The tranquility will make ya unball your fist

For we put hip-hop on a brand new twist

A brand new twist with the homie-alistic

So low-key that ya probably missed it

And yet it's so loud that it stands in the crowd

When the guy takes the beat, they bowed

So raise up squire, adjust your attire

We have no time to wallow in the mire

If you're on a foreign path, then let me do the lead

Join in the essence of the cooled out breed

Then cool out to the music cuz it makes ya feel serene

Like the birds and the bees and all those groovy things

Like getting stomach aches when ya gotta go to work

Or staring into space when you're feeling berserk

I don't really mind if it's over your head

Cuz the job of resurrectors is to wake up the dead

So pay attention, it's not hard to decipher

And after the horns, you can check out the Phifer

 

Thats an excerpt from "We've got the Jazz" by A Tribe Called Quest, match that with your skills as a rapper.

[Ikhnaton]

i guess if i didn't speak english properly, i could rap that well too. I guess the difference is, if you write stuff in rhyme that is real english, it is poetry. everything else is just rap.

 

did i mention it causes softening of the brain with all that horrible slang and butchering of the english language?

[Keyan Farlander]

Originally posted by Kylilin

Nonsense...here is my proof...

 

 

 

Thats an excerpt from "We've got the Jazz" by A Tribe Called Quest, match that with your skills as a rapper.

 

Is that really the example you want to put up? What exatly makes those better than any other rap lyrics? Those are some ridiculously contrived rhymes.

[Jabba The Hunt]

Whats with all the rap bashing? Its as much a valid form of music as any other.

 

Ikhnaton we have whats called a living language, thats why you speak "american english" and I speak "english" (or "english english" if you wanna be padantic). For instance...

 

As more and more people have taken to playing computer games and spending their time on the net the world has become more and more exposed to "geek" culture. I realised this when my sister started using words such as "n00b" and "dude" (this may be as much my influence as it was her friends but still its there). My point is that just because you dont use BBC english doesn't mean its going to destroy your brain. If the words mean something then its a valid word like any other.

 

Note: I dont listen to or like rap music .

[Kylilin]

Originally posted by Keyan Farlander

Is that really the example you want to put up? What exatly makes those better than any other rap lyrics? Those are some ridiculously contrived rhymes.

 

you want more? here we go...

 

Freedom or jail, clips inserted, a baby's bein born

Same time a man is murdered, the beginning and end

As far as rap goes, it's only natural, I explain

My plateau, and also, what defines my name

First it was Nasty, but times have changed

Ask me now, I'm the artist, but hardcore, my sign's for pain

I spent time in the game, kept my mind on fame

Saw fiends shoot up, and do lines of cocaine

Saw my close friends shot, flatline, am I sane?

That depends, carry Mac-10's to practice my aim

On rooftops, tape cd covers to trees

Line the barrel up with your weak picture then squeeze

Street scriptures for lost souls, in the crossroads

To the corner thugs hustlin for cars that cost dough

To the big dogs livin large, takin it light

Pushin big toys, gettin nice, enjoyin your life

is what you make it, suicide, few try to take it

Belt tied around they neck in jail cells naked

Heaven and hell, rap legend, presence is felt

And of course N - A - S are the letters that spell . . .

 

If that wasn't good enough, here's another...

 

I'm rated "R"...this is a warning, you better void,

Poets are paranoid, DJ's destroyed,

Cause I came back to attack others in spite-

Strike like lightnin', It's quite frightenin'!

But don't be afraid in the dark, in a park,

Not a scream or a cry, or a bark, more like a spark;

You tremble like a alcoholic, muscles tighten up,

What's that, lighten up! You see a sight but,

Suddenly you feel like your in a horror flick,

You grab your heart then wish for tomorrow quick!

Music's the clue, when I come your warned,

Apocolypse Now, when I'm done, you're gone!

Haven't you ever heard of a MC-murderer?

This is the death penalty,and I'm servin' a

death wish, so come on, step to this

hysterical idea for a lyrical professionist!

Friday the thirteenth, walking down Elm Street,

you come in my realm you get beat!

This is off limits, so your visions are blurry,

All you see is the meters of a volume pumping

Lyrics of Fury!

 

Of course, you don't get the full effect without actually hearing the delivery, accompanied by the music.

 

 

Those are some ridiculously contrived rhymes.

 

Exactly... There is skill and talent in putting together rhymes like these. These rhymes were created by rappers who a generally considered to be amongst the best in rap history. Which is my point, rap, at its height is, intelligent and conveys a message, the current group of rapppers except for a very small group of people, are not intelligent, nor do they convey any message, in short they suck.

[SipThaJoose]

There's nothing musical about putting words to a beat???

 

That's like saying there's nothing gay about putting balls to your chin.

 

And it goes a little something like this...

 

Excuse me I'm trying to earn a mere buck or two

A solemn rapper come in and who the **** are you?

Around this part of town with diamonds and your girl in fur

"I'm trying to enter in this rap contest you're havin sir"

You're kinda late "Flat tire" Well that'd do it cuz

Well alright pay me now and you'll be at the hub

"I hope I don't mess up or run out of breath or even BRICK"

Don't worry hon you're hittin em harder than a ****in brick

"But what do you think Van?" Please, no one can serve us

"Wish me luck dear, I'm scared and I'm nervous"

So who stands, who falls, who crowds the halls

This one the DJ calls... lick the balls!

 

Now everytime I write dope raps they come vickin it

Now you know the title of this, so start lickin it

Lips kickin it, hey bitch, there is a brick in it

So when you think you're prepared, I keep stickin it

Now here they come with a spike to fight, take it light

Now who the one you're trying to be like with all your might

And anyone that attempted to remove me out the race

best give me space before I fly in they ****in face

Now raise that vocal, play that role around your local hoods

Don't worry about a thing cause Ricky Rick is bringin home the goods

Who stands, who falls, who crowds the halls

This one the DJ calls... lick the balls!

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt

I realised this when my sister started using words such as ..."dude"

 

"Dude" has been in use in the US for pretty close to 150 years. And your so-called "geek culture" didn't invent it. In fact, we dont' even use dude the proper way any more. It used to be Western talk for poseur.

 

"I hope I don't mess up or run out of breath or even BRICK"

Don't worry hon you're hittin em harder than a ****in brick

 

****er rhymed one word with the same word. You can't do that.

[Keyan Farlander]

Originally posted by Kylilin

Exactly... There is skill and talent in putting together rhymes like these. These rhymes were created by rappers who a generally considered to be amongst the best in rap history. Which is my point, rap, at its height is, intelligent and conveys a message, the current group of rapppers except for a very small group of people, are not intelligent, nor do they convey any message, in short they suck.

 

OK, by "contrived," I was not implying anything good. Forced. Unnatural. I don't see any real talent in constructing those lines, and they certainly require none to deliver. I'm not telling you not to like it. Like whatever you want. I'm just saying that from a formal aesthetic standpoint, rap comes it in pretty much at the bottom of the musical ladder, the only thing I can think of lower being seemingly random computer generated music, which died a quick death a while back.

[Jabba The Hunt]

Nute I never said we invented "dude", we never invented newbie, or many of the other words used by geeks.

 

My point was that no one around where I live would generally use such words.

[Admiral Odin]

Now below is some good medieval, celtic, irish etc music.

 

1. The Mediæval Bæbes - I Am Eve (3:40)

2. The Mediæval Bæbes - Glass Window (2:39)

3. The Mediæval Bæbes - Slay Me Suddenly (3:14)

4. The Mediæval Bæbes - The Snake (3:15)

5. The Mediæval Bæbes - The Circle of the Lustful (4:00)

6. The Mediæval Bæbes - Laude Novella (1:42)

7. The Mediæval Bæbes - There Is No Rose of Swych Vertu (2:42)

8. The Mediæval Bæbes - Lick the Maypole (1:28)

9. The Mediæval Bæbes - Razreesh (3:34)

10. The Mediæval Bæbes - Byrd One Brere (3:09)

11. The Mediæval Bæbes - Dringo Bell (3:35)

12. The Mediæval Bæbes - The Rose (1:04)

13. The Mediæval Bæbes - L' Amour de Moi (4:05)

14. The Mediæval Bæbes - The Woods and the Rivers Are Silent (2:07)

15. The Mediæval Bæbes - Spiriti (1:28)

16. The Mediæval Bæbes - The Sour Grove (3:01)

17. The Mediæval Bæbes - Blow Northern Wind (20:20)

18. The Mediæval Bæbes - Salve Virgo Virginum (1:43)

19. The Mediæval Bæbes - Now Springs the Spray (3:26)

20. The Mediæval Bæbes - Ah! Si Mon Moine (2:18)

21. The Mediæval Bæbes - Adam Lay Ibounden (3:10)

22. The Mediæval Bæbes - Foweles in the Frith (2:08)

23. The Mediæval Bæbes - So Treiben Wir Den Winter Aus (2:29)

24. The Mediæval Bæbes - The Coventry Carol (4:24)

25. The Mediæval Bæbes - Gaudete (2:17)

26. The Mediæval Bæbes - An Adult Lullaby (2:44)

27. The Mediæval Bæbes - Veni Veni (5:06)

28. The Mediæval Bæbes - Salva Nos (2:45)

29. The Mediæval Bæbes - Verbum Caro (2:34)

30. The Mediæval Bæbes - Lo, Here My Heart (1:41)

31. The Mediæval Bæbes - Binnorie O Binnorie (2:05)

32. The Mediæval Bæbes - This Ay Nicht (1:42)

33. The Mediæval Bæbes - Miri It Is (2:35)

34. The Mediæval Bæbes - Kinderley (1:55)

35. Unknown Artist - Track 1 (0:46)

36. The Mediæval Bæbes - All Turns to Yesterday (2:12)

37. The Mediæval Bæbes - Love Me Broughte (3:03)

38. The Mediæval Bæbes - Beatrice (4:21)

39. The Mediæval Bæbes - Ecci Mundi Gaudium (1:56)

40. The Mediæval Bæbes - Waylaway (2:21)

41. The Mediæval Bæbes - Alba (1:55)

42. The Mediæval Bæbes - When Thy Turf Is Thy Tour (1:12)

43. The Mediæval Bæbes - Erthe upon Erthe (2:50)

44. The Mediæval Bæbes - Passing Thus Alone (2:59)

45. The Mediæval Bæbes - La Volta (2:08)

46. The Mediæval Bæbes - Pearl (2:41)

47. The Mediæval Bæbes - Swete Sone (3:15)

48. The Mediæval Bæbes - So Spricht das Leben (2:46)

49. The Mediæval Bæbes - C'Est la Fin (2:13)

50. The Mediæval Bæbes - How Death Comes (2:18)

51. Loreena McKennitt - Coventry Carol (2:20)

52. Loreena McKennitt - God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen (6:49)

53. Loreena McKennitt - Good King Wenceslas (3:19)

54. Loreena McKennitt - Snow (5:04)

55. Loreena McKennitt - Seeds of Love (4:54)

56. Loreena McKennitt - Prologue (4:25)

57. Loreena McKennitt - The Mummers' Dance (6:10)

58. Loreena McKennitt - Skellig (6:10)

59. Loreena McKennitt - Marco Polo (5:19)

60. Loreena McKennitt - The Highwayman (10:20)

61. Loreena McKennitt - La Serenissima (5:09)

62. Loreena McKennitt - Night Ride Across the Caucasus (8:32)

63. Loreena McKennitt - Dante's Prayer (7:11)

64. Loreena McKennitt - Blacksmith (3:21)

65. Loreena McKennitt - She Moved Through the Fair (4:05)

66. Loreena McKennitt - Stolen Child (5:07)

67. Loreena McKennitt - The Lark in the Clear Aire (2:07)

68. Loreena McKennitt - Carrighfergus (3:27)

69. Loreena McKennitt - Kellswater (5:17)

70. Loreena McKennitt - Banks of Claudy (5:37)

71. Loreena McKennitt - Come by the Hills (3:04)

72. Loreena McKennitt - Lullaby (4:27)

73. Loreena McKennitt - Prologue (4:59)

74. Loreena McKennitt - The Mummers' Dance (4:01)

75. Loreena McKennitt - Skellig (5:24)

76. Loreena McKennitt - Marco Polo (4:52)

77. Loreena McKennitt - The Highwayman (9:29)

78. Loreena McKennitt - La Serenissima (5:54)

79. Loreena McKennitt - Night Ride Across the Caucasus (6:22)

80. Loreena McKennitt - Dante's Prayers (5:24)

81. Loreena McKennitt - The Mystic's Dream (6:29)

82. Loreena McKennitt - Santiago (6:19)

83. Loreena McKennitt - Bonny Portmore (3:50)

84. Loreena McKennitt - Between the Shadows (4:30)

85. Loreena McKennitt - The Lady of Shalott (9:19)

86. Loreena McKennitt - The Bonny Swans (7:05)

87. 07 The Old Ways.wma

88. 08 All Souls Night.wma

89. 09 Cymbeline.wma

90. 01 All Souls Night.wma

91. Loreena McKennitt - Bonny Portmore (4:21)

92. Loreena McKennitt - Between the Shadows (Persian Shadows) (3:41)

93. Loreena McKennitt - The Lady of Shalott (11:34)

94. Loreena McKennitt - Greensleeves (4:26)

95. Loreena McKennitt - Tango to Evora (4:10)

96. Loreena McKennitt - Courtyard Lullaby (4:57)

97. 08 The Old Ways.wma

98. 09 Cymbeline.wma

99. Loreena McKennitt - In Praise of Christmas (6:05)

100. Loreena McKennitt - The Seasons (4:51)

101. Loreena McKennitt - The King (2:05)

102. Loreena McKennitt - Banquet Hall (3:53)

103. Loreena McKennitt - Snow (5:38)

104. Loreena McKennitt - Balulalow (3:11)

105. 07 Let Us the Infant Greet.wma

106. 08 The Wexford Carol.wma

107. Loreena McKennitt - The Stockford Carol (3:06)

108. Loreena McKennitt - Let All That Are to Mirth Inclined (6:54)

109. Empty Hats - Night Visitor's Song (3:02)

110. Empty Hats - All Around My Hat (3:17)

111. Empty Hats - Widow & Devil (3:32)

112. Empty Hats - Blacksmith Reel/Sailor/Humors (2:14)

113. Empty Hats - Blind Fiddler (3:07)

114. Empty Hats - Dete Kitzi (4:20)

115. Empty Hats - Temperace Reel/Tam Lyn (3:09)

116. Empty Hats - Fisherman's Wife (5:08)

117. Empty Hats - Lover's Heart (4:18)

118. Empty Hats - Black Velvet Band (3:57)

119. Empty Hats - Sheebeg& Sheemore/Banish Misfortune (4:34)

120. Empty Hats - Blanket of Night (9:02)

121. Empty Hats - Merrily Kiss the Quaker/Morrison's Jig (3:40)

122. 02 Take Her in Your Arms.wma

123. Empty Hats - Donald McGillavry (4:12)

124. Empty Hats - Stone and Dove (3:25)

125. Empty Hats - Tom of Bedlam (4:21)

126. Empty Hats - Inesheer Air/Scarce o' Tatties/Black Nag (4:12)

127. Empty Hats - Nature Boy (4:14)

128. Empty Hats - Queen of Argyle (2:54)

129. Empty Hats - Comtnon Weave (3:45)

130. Empty Hats - Toast to Love and Marriage (3:00)

131. Empty Hats - Butterfly/Drowset Maggic (4:09)

132. 12 John Cumber's Maiden.wma

133. 13 Raggle Taggle Gypsys.wma

134. 14 Ramblin Rover.wma

135. 01 The Mighty Clansmen- King George IV-Johnny Harley's Reel.wma

136. 02 The Landsdowne Lass-Larmor Plage-Darby's Farewell to London.wma

137. 03 The Lakes of Pontchartrain.wma

138. 04 An Raibh Tu Ag an Gcarraig.wma

139. Deanta - Hammy's Jigs: the Woodcock/The Kerfunten (3:08)

140. Deanta - Culloden's Harvest (5:13)

141. Deanta - Let the Hair Sit: the Wee Rabbit/The Fort of the Daft Woman (3:46)

142. Deanta - The Maid That Sold Her Barley (2:41)

143. Deanta - Eleanor Plunkett (4:22)

144. Deanta - The Party: Spike and the Looney/The Magic Potion/Grainne's Jig (4:43)

145. Deanta - Ready for the Storm (3:39)

146. 12 The Rocky Reels- The Lilac Reel-Sean Ryan's Star of Munster-The Maid.wma

147. 13 The Benedy Glen.wma

148. 01 Written in the Stars.wma

149. 02 The Times They Are A-Changin'.wma

150. 03 I Still Remember.wma

151. Blackmore's Night - Home Again (5:27)

152. Blackmore's Night - Crowning of the King (4:31)

153. Blackmore's Night - Fayre Thee Well (2:07)

154. Blackmore's Night - Fires at Midnight (7:36)

155. Blackmore's Night - Hanging Tree (3:46)

156. Blackmore's Night - The Storm (6:11)

157. Blackmore's Night - Mid Winter's Night (4:30)

158. 11 All Because of You.wma

159. 12 Waiting Just for You.wma

160. 13 Praetorius (Courante).wma

161. Blackmore's Night - Benzai-Ten (3:51)

162. Blackmore's Night - Village on the Sand (5:04)

163. Blackmore's Night - Again Someday (5:09)

164. blackmores night.mpg

165. 01 Way to Mandalay.wma

166. 02 3 Black Crows.wma

167. Blackmore's Night - Diamonds and Rust (4:54)

168. 04 Cartouche.wma

169. 05 Queen for a Day, Pt. 1.wma

170. 06 Queen for a Day, Pt. 2.wma

171. 07 Ivory Tower.wma

172. 08 Nur Eine Minute.wma

173. 09 Ghost of a Rose.wma

174. 10 Mr. Peagram's Morris and Sword.wma

175. 11 Loreley.wma

176. 12 Where Are We Going from Here.wma

177. 13 Rainbow Blues.wma

178. 14 All for One.wma

179. 15 Dandelion Wine.wma

180. 01 Shadow of the Moon.wma

181. 02 The Clock Ticks On.wma

182. 03 Be Mine Tonight.wma

183. Blackmore's Night - Play Minstrel Play (3:59)

184. Blackmore's Night - Ocean Gypsy (6:06)

185. Blackmore's Night - Minstrel Hall [instrumental] (2:35)

186. 07 Magical World.wma

187. 08 Writing on the Wall.wma

188. 09 Renaissance Faire.wma

189. 10 Memmingen [instrumental].wma

190. 11 No Second Chance.wma

191. Blackmore's Night - Mond Tannz [instrumental] (3:33)

192. Blackmore's Night - Spirit of the Sea (4:49)

193. Blackmore's Night - Greensleeves (3:46)

194. Blackmore's Night - Wish You Were Here (5:02)

195. Blackmore's Night - Possum's Last Dance [*][instrumental] (2:41)

196. Blackmore's Night - Under a Violet Moon (4:23)

197. 02 Castles and Dreams.wma

198. 03 Past Time With Good Company.wma

199. 04 Morning Star.wma

200. 05 Avalon.wma

201. 06 Possum Goes to Prague.wma

202. 07 Wind in the Willows.wma

203. 08 Gone With the Wind.wma

204. 09 Beyond the Sunset.wma

205. 10 March the Heroes Home.wma

206. 11 Spanish Nights (I Remember It Well).wma

207. Blackmore's Night - Catherine Howard's Fate (2:34)

208. Blackmore's Night - Fool's Gold (3:31)

209. Blackmore's Night - Durch Den Wald Zum Bach Haus (2:31)

210. Blackmore's Night - Now and Then (3:11)

211. Blackmore's Night - Self Portrait (3:18)

[Kylilin]

Originally posted by Keyan Farlander

OK, by "contrived," I was not implying anything good. Forced. Unnatural. I don't see any real talent in constructing those lines, and they certainly require none to deliver. I'm not telling you not to like it. Like whatever you want. I'm just saying that from a formal aesthetic standpoint, rap comes it in pretty much at the bottom of the musical ladder, the only thing I can think of lower being seemingly random computer generated music, which died a quick death a while back.

 

 

If it isn't that difficult, show me better...

 

By the way...

 

Main Entry: con·trive

Pronunciation: k&n-'trIv

Function: verb

Inflected Form(s): con·trived; con·triv·ing

Etymology: Middle English controven, contreven, from Middle French controver, from Medieval Latin contropare to compare, from Latin com- + (assumed) Vulgar Latin tropare to compose, find -- more at TROUBADOUR

transitive senses

1 a : DEVISE, PLAN <contrive ways of handling the situation> b : to form or create in an artistic or ingenious manner <contrived household utensils from stone>

2 : to bring about by stratagem or with difficulty : MANAGE

intransitive senses : to make schemes

- con·triv·er noun

[Keyan Farlander]

Originally posted by Kylilin

If it isn't that difficult, show me better...

 

There is no better. It's all the same. Go to google, search for rap lyrics, click on any random link and you will find something just as good. There are no literary devices in play here that can make, for example, one poem better than another one. Aside from the rhyme, there is nothing to these words. They are expressing some idea, but everything does that.

 

I wrote a couple of "brilliant" rap songs back in high school (parodying rap of course, but you would never know it if you didn't know me). They spread around the school like wildfire, only nobody ever knew it was me, because if it became known I would have been suspended or worse for sure.

 

But anyway, you have yet to explain to me what exactly makes these examples you have posted superior to other rap. Specifically, what is the criteria here?

 

By the way...

 

Main Entry: con·trive

Pronunciation: k&n-'trIv

Function: verb

Inflected Form(s): con·trived; con·triv·ing

Etymology: Middle English controven, contreven, from Middle French controver, from Medieval Latin contropare to compare, from Latin com- + (assumed) Vulgar Latin tropare to compose, find -- more at TROUBADOUR

transitive senses

1 a : DEVISE, PLAN <contrive ways of handling the situation> b : to form or create in an artistic or ingenious manner <contrived household utensils from stone>

2 : to bring about by stratagem or with difficulty : MANAGE

intransitive senses : to make schemes

- con·triv·er noun [/b]

 

Yes, exactly. The rhymes should seem natural, not contrived.

[Kylilin]

Originally posted by Kylilin

 

I'm rated "R"...this is a warning, you better void,

Poets are paranoid, DJ's destroyed,

Cause I came back to attack others in spite-

Strike like lightnin', It's quite frightenin'!

But don't be afraid in the dark, in a park,

Not a scream or a cry, or a bark, more like a spark;

You tremble like a alcoholic, muscles tighten up,

What's that, lighten up! You see a sight but,

Suddenly you feel like your in a horror flick,

You grab your heart then wish for tomorrow quick!

Music's the clue, when I come your warned,

Apocolypse Now, when I'm done, you're gone!

Haven't you ever heard of a MC-murderer?

This is the death penalty,and I'm servin' a

death wish, so come on, step to this

hysterical idea for a lyrical professionist!

Friday the thirteenth, walking down Elm Street,

you come in my realm you get beat!

This is off limits, so your visions are blurry,

All you see is the meters of a volume pumping

Lyrics of Fury!

 

 

This rap was done in what is called "freestyle", meaning the MC basically didn't write anything down bfore he rapped, he rapped on the fly, so to speak. So I don't think that it qualifies as "forced" or"unnatural". You are just stalling because you know putting together a rhyme that sounds good is hard, unlike you say it is. But you are right about one thing, there is no better...

 

But anyway, you have yet to explain to me what exactly makes these examples you have posted superior to other rap. Specifically, what is the criteria here?

 

The examples I posted contain a flow to them that is unmatched by a lot of rappers. Moreover, When these songs were released, they were unlike anything else that was out there. The rap quoted in this post was a freestyle, and no one could freestyle like Rakim, the author, you try it if you think you can. The only rappers who could even come close to that skill and preciseness with a rhyme, basically going along without written aid, was Biggie Smalls, and Eminem. The first rhyme I cited, from a Tribe Called Quest, could not be felt in its full effect because what was remarkable about that song at the time was that the music was different behind the rap, A Tribe Called Quest did something at the time which until then was never done, they sampled Jazz songs for their beats, which during the era of Gangster Rap, was a breath of fresh air in the rap world. Whether you think it is or not, these rhymes were not forced, and they are a valid form of poetry, refer to the Norton Anthology of poetry if you have any questions, because the authority on poetry includes rapping in their POETRY TEXTBOOK, that's right.

[K_Kinnison]

what you describe Freestlye ©rap, isn't really a true freestyle. if the performer does it twice.

1. (v) When an MC flows with lyrics right off the top of his or her head; impromptu, spontaneous and creative rhyming. 2) (n) A kind of competition between talented MCs; have to be talented to bust a good freestyle. 3) (n) A form of practice that keeps MCs on their toes. "We gonna do a little freestyle for y'all, and it go like this." --Schoolly D., "Cuttin' and Scratchin'"

This might make for a great live entertainement to watch and listen to, but when you slap it in a CD, or make a scripted video. All elements of the freestyle are ruined. Most of what I concider good musics creates an emotional response in me, or opens my mind to new ideas and thoughts. It is an art form that stimulates me via sound. "freestyle" rap focuses on being able to rhyme on the fly, yet they do this by forcing rhyme.

 

a rhyme is created by ending 2 or more lines with the same sounding syllable. In most poetry, there is also a rythum, and meter. Which I have seen very few rap lyrics ever achive excet to force it with extending syllables, or stoppping in mid word.

 

In your last example kryllin, the first 2 lines do ryme, but there is no rythum in either, and the 2nd line is short by 3 meters. i could go on, but most of the lines end in fragmented sentances. Not to metion that I fail to see how "up" can rhyme with "Butt" unless you mis-pronounce and "force" the rhyme.

 

Just because it is reconized in a 2000+ page poetry text book, does not make it good poetry.

 

I could add some other things that I find distasteful with rap

• promotion of "gang life"
  
• use of violance to get your way
  
• glorifing of harmful drugs
  
• women only used for sex
  
• use of swearing
  
• poor grammer
  
• "ebonic" type language used
  

 

The sad things is, todays younger generation are using this in everyday life, even when communicating on the computer. Not to metion peolpe who are actaully in gangs see thier life as normal, and honestly belive they are going to die because of being shot by the time they reach 40 years. Rap promotes this idea. and they do it with nothing but forced rhyme, a beat machine, and a few lines of poorly worded lyrics

 

Me thinks they are laughing all the way to the bank. sure beats stealing

[Jabba The Hunt]

Kinnision, you've just said that you find "ebonic type language" distasteful (or atleast the promotion of it), that comes over as quite racist to me.

[Keyan Farlander]

Originally posted by Kylilin

The examples I posted contain a flow to them that is unmatched by a lot of rappers. Moreover, When these songs were released, they were unlike anything else that was out there. The rap quoted in this post was a freestyle, and no one could freestyle like Rakim, the author, you try it if you think you can. The only rappers who could even come close to that skill and preciseness with a rhyme, basically going along without written aid, was Biggie Smalls, and Eminem. The first rhyme I cited, from a Tribe Called Quest, could not be felt in its full effect because what was remarkable about that song at the time was that the music was different behind the rap, A Tribe Called Quest did something at the time which until then was never done, they sampled Jazz songs for their beats, which during the era of Gangster Rap, was a breath of fresh air in the rap world.

 

You are under the impression that I have not heard any of these songs and don't know of the people who made them. Believe me, it would have been impossible for me to miss them growing up. I do not dispute their importance to the history of popular music in this county, merely their aesthetic worth.

 

Whether you think it is or not, these rhymes were not forced

 

They are utterly forced and amateurish. Take this little gem, for example:

 

So raise up squire, adjust your attire

We have no time to wallow in the mire

 

We have no time to wallow in the mire? Are you kidding me? If you see nothing ridiculous about that then I really don't know what to tell you.

 

...and they are a valid form of poetry, refer to the Norton Anthology of poetry if you have any questions, because the authority on poetry includes rapping in their POETRY TEXTBOOK, that's right.

 

This I would have to disagree with. Song lyrics and poetry should not be lumped together. Song lyrics do not always work well as poems and poems do not always work well as song lyrics. They are really two different crafts, particularly with popular music. I remember hearing somebody talk about this once...Paul McCartney maybe. You said it yourself - needing to hear it to get the proper effect. This really has nothing to do with rap, but I thought it was interesting anyway.

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt

Kinnision, you've just said that you find "ebonic type language" distasteful (or atleast the promotion of it), that comes over as quite racist to me.

 

You think its racist when someone is upset because people speak really really really incorrectly? And don't try any of that **** with how Americans don't speak the Queen's English because most British don't either. I mean wtf is with colour. That's ko-low-er if you follow the rules of spoken english.

 

I want to slap everyone I see that has said something like "I gots to finds my baby daddy." There's like six things wrong with that sentence.

[K_Kinnison]

Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt

Kinnision, you've just said that you find "ebonic type language" distasteful (or atleast the promotion of it), that comes over as quite racist to me.

 

Then people might as well say not liking rap is racist. Or cajuns are racist gainst the french. Ebonics is not only used by a single race.

 

your commet comes over as overally sensitive to me.

 

of course here is something that is really interesting, and disturbing.. the Lord's prayer in Ebonics

Yo, Bid Daddy upstairs,

You be chillin

So be yo hood

You be sayin' it, I be doin' it

In this here hood and yo's

Gimme some eats

And cut me some slack, Blood

Sos I be doin' it to dem dat dis me

Don't be push'n me into no jive

and keep dem Crips away

'Cause you always be 'da Man

Aaa-Men

 

I don't know wether i should be offended, or laugh

[Jabba The Hunt]

my post was probably a little too strong but my point is that well it doesnt really matter how you talk aslong as other people (not everyone, just those you want to talk to) can understand you. Like you said nute I dont speak the queens english, and I think it would be a very boring world if everyone spoke the queens english. In short...

 

There is nothing wrong with people using slang its no different to a dialect.

[Ikhnaton]

speaking improper english honestly makes a person seem unintelligent. If you're going to use slang, at least make sure you know how to speak properly first.

 

for example, if you're going to say "I ain't got no...", make sure you know that it is correct to say "I don't have any..." first.

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by Ikhnaton

for example, if you're going to say "I ain't got no...", make sure you know that it is correct to say "I don't have any..." first.

 

Exactly. I drop the g's in the -ing all the time just because thats the way people around here talk. But if I'm giving a speech or on the phone with someone that isn't my friend, you better believe I say that g.

[Jabba The Hunt]

Speaking improper english only makes people seem unillegent because society considers it that way. While i'll agree its important to make sure the other person understands you, you only speak proper english because your fairly certain it will effect their opinion of you. Why do you have to live up to societies standards?

[Ikhnaton]

ensuring that you are properly educated is not an example of a ridiculous societal standard. It is a basic and vital aspect of personal development. The english language has certain structures and formats and if they are not followed, the meaning is not conveyed. If you can't be understood, how can you expect to be a part of any society?

[K_Kinnison]

actually there is nothing wrong with using slang. The problem is people communicate using slang with others who do not use it, and then get offended when that person asks him to stop using slang. Like JBH, it is a typical kneejerk reaction for one person to express his dislike of a form of slang, and everyone else to scream about racisum.

 

All it is, is popular. Just like Cajun, yupper, yiddish, pig latin, and jive. I have yet to see our institutions, government, and popular mass media to use it, and until they do, American English is going to stay. and actaully, Eglish is starting to become a universal language, especailly in technical field and the internet

 

But here is my one major eperiance with ebonics, and why it will never catch on. Several years ago I was living near the Madison WI UW campus. I decided to go to the nearby McDonalds to get some food. There was a black women working as a cashier behind the counter.

 

Cashier: Frherotoego?

Me: huh?

Cashier: Frherotoego?

Me: I still do not understand you

Cashier: *exasberated* Frherotoego?!

Me: No thanks, I'll go eat somewhere else

 

Later on playing that little scene I realized she was saying "For here or to go?" at Super Double chocolate tripple Espresso hummingbird speed. No please, no smile, no suggestive selling, just a question one weather I was going to eat in the 'resturant'.

 

And i have never bought anything at McDonalds since. Thank you Ebonics