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Well I'm glad if PB isn't implemented. Its caused me more frustrations than it's worth but that's just my experience. Others swear by it so I guess YMMV.

 

I just hope there's a good user friendly vote/kick system in game.

 

As for cheats in LucusArts games, from personal experience the number of cheats I encountered in Jedi Knight and JA were relatively low, so its not all doom and gloom if PB isn't initially included.

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Originally posted by GSOP

Also remember...othert Pandemis games (such as BFV) do run PB on most servers. Just a matter of a simple update and all will be fixed.

Pandemic has got nothing to do with BF:V, thats DICE and electronic arts.

 

I don't see why everyone is crying. I liked PB cause it makes cheater difficult, but it wasnt done on a very good way, it wasnt very well implemented in the game. Now you get it implemented MUCH better. I don't see why that's worse? They can implement it in every bit and byte.

 

Dropping the game cause of this is IMHO, less smart. If it really would get out of hand like all these posts suggest, something would be done. Did you know you hardly see cheaters in MP? All those times you think its one? its not. You're all overreacting. ;)

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Propably cause its a game and should be treated that way, not like a school sport. And LucasArts is already hosting its own servers, so why should I worry about running a server when the official company can do it for me?

 

I agree cheating is bad, but you people are WAY too pasamistic. Wait to complain when first signs of cheating surface, until then, enjoy the game while its fresh.

 

Its a fun game for you because serious people like me, that pay LOTS of money for REAL servers like to have ladders & groups of friends to play with.. Now you can pup on an official server with NOOBS chopper campers if you want; but the best players go to good private run servers where the real action is...

 

if they dont take cheats seriously then there will be cheats 2 weeks after game is public.. I hope they know some good tricks

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Its a fun game for you because serious people like me, that pay LOTS of money for REAL servers like to have ladders & groups of friends to play with.. Now you can pup on an official server with NOOBS chopper campers if you want; but the best players go to good private servers where the real action is...

 

if they dont take cheats seriously then there will be cheats 2 weeks after game is public.. I hope they know some good tricks

 

Still, just a game. Being good at it won't get you anywere in life, you won't be putting "Good at Video Games" on your resume. And nobody forces you to pay those loads of cash to enjoy something as little as a game. Treating it serious as if it were part of life is your loss. Pay your lots of money, its coming out of your wallet, I for one have always been fine with public stuff. And another thing, if the server is private, then why should you worry about cheaters? Your logic confuses me further...

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I don't think the lack of PB should influence your purchase, but I do see your point. Most previous LEC games had little problems with hacking due to the small size of the player base. I mean, not to be flippant, JK had how many servers at it's height on the net at any one time.... Maybe 5000.... BF:V, BF:42 and the like have somewhere around 15000-20000 servers online at any given time. That's ALOT larger player base. And yes there are major JK hacks out there and were within just a few months of the games release, MyGot had them all. So yes I see the point of the concern. Only solution is to find admined servers that actually have intelligent admins on it that kick and ban violators. Often those servers, and admins, do a far better job than PB any day of the week as it is.

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you cant accuse people of cheating without proof.. I know you can get around PB, but it still better than nothing.. People from my clan get called hackers all the time.. As an admin you cant tell, & people saying o he is hacking he is too good; Is not a good enough reason to kick/ban someone.. Ive got guys in my clan that can go 15/1 KDR in BFV groundpounding....

 

If I was kicked everytime someone on a server said i hacked & thats why they got owned, then I wouldnt be able to play on alot of servers..

 

Im not letting this keep me from getting the game.. Im just very worried about how well they wil support this game, & ih they even care.. after BFV i worry (that game has more bugs than a rain forist)

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I see your point, and agree.... I personalyl would never kick/ban anyone going 15 and 1. However, that said if I see someone go 50 and 1 or 75 and 1 on a heavy infantry map (i.e. Pipeline in Point of Existence) when there are other top notch players on, and they always seem to know where you are even when you're behind them and there is no way they could have seen you then there is something fishey going on (and yes I've seen that with PoE because PB doesn't work with that BF:V mod), and most likely they'll be kicked and banned.

 

It's all up to admin judgement, some admins are good judges, some are very poor (or just hate being beat). It is fairly easy to tell if someone cheats if you've been playing FPSes any reasonable amount of time (I'm sure you would have no problem doing it). But you are right, some admins are smacktards. I think they just use "cheating" as an excuse to get rid of someone making them look bad more than anything else.

 

Oh and PB doesn't always ban on hacks. Most notably, as of late, they have started intentionally NOT banning on hacks so that they can collect a large collection of GUIDs and ban them all at once (they did this just 6 months ago with BF42, they didn't ban for one of the major public hacks for about 3 months and just recorded the guis to see how many people were actually using it). Unfortunatly by that time, if you run a non-admin active server you may already have lost alot of your player base.

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Welcome to the world of online Multiplayer games. There will *NEVER* be a game that can't be cheated in. If someone wants to cheat bad enough they will. Serious cheaters have no trouble circumventing PB. All PB does, is prevent newb cheaters from using the aimbot they downloaded from a google search.

 

This is why I hardly ever play online. It's more fun for me to beat up on bots in a smoother running, cheat free, 733t-speak free environment without immature team killing, vehicle whores to bother me.

 

Clan and Lan play on password protected private servers is something entirely different. This is where the game will thrive.

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We ran into a problem with PB randomly booting and banning people for 1 hour time frames when we KNEW they weren't cheating (some were server admins) which is why it had to be turned off on ours. It's not that it didn't work at all, it's because it worked a little too good. Of course I haven't been around since the PoE 1.1 patch came out so that might have fixed whatever it was.

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Well I just play for fun, and if I see a server become unfun due to blatant cheating losers, I'll just get off that server for a while and find another. It's not like the game is going to be a 24/7 100% of players cheatfest.

 

I know guys...honestly, cancelling preorders just because you can't hop onto another server, gimme a break.

 

 

If there is a server with some cheaters in it, hop onto anoher one, they won't all be loaded with cheaters...:rolleyes:

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"excuse me" private run servers (let me edit now) enjoy enjoy mindless killing & TKs then bro its your choise...

 

I'm not trying to offend you, so why do you feel like you need to do just that to me. You speak as if every public server is filled with both. I myself found the public servers to actually be better then your so called REAL server (clan servers and the like) were admins tend to abuse there own power and other members insulting you because your not part of there clan. I don't want to be limited to just my own clan server, I'd be fun to play others for awhile. JA public servers seem fair to me, even when the team isn't working together and who know what other mischief, I'm still able to have some solid fun. Sorry to beat a dead horse but being a little more open minded won't kill you, and neither is some 12 year old noob on a public server... unless he's a TKer... then that's when you leave...

 

EDIT: Aye, not I see why your so worried, you run a clan. Then never mind, I though you were just some random player who doesn't like public servers. Well keep running your stuff, and hope the game works out for you.

 

But that's not why you are all concerned, its about this ridicules semi-rumor that got out about punkbuster. Wait till the full game to reserve judgment. Also, can't PB be added later? And aren't hacks limited to PC? So get the PS2 version to stop your worrying.

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First some of us by FPSes almost exclusivly for the PC because of the superior quality and control set generally speaking. (PS2s and XBoxs are great to, we just prefer the faster resposne of the PC).

 

But as for PB being added later, it depends primarly on two things:

 

1. Will LEC pay evenbalance to program PB for SW:BF? (Evenbalance contracts with the developers of the games they support)

 

2. Is SW:BF coming with a CD-Key? None of the previous LEC games have ever used a CD-Key and one is required for PB to generate it's GUID so there is a possibility that they may not ever be able to provide PB support.

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First some of us by FPSes almost exclusivly for the PC because of the superior quality and control set generally speaking. (PS2s and XBoxs are great to, we just prefer the faster resposne of the PC).

 

I too support PC, but if hacking sounds like such a major issue, and you have easy options. Saying something like controls and graphics are weak isn't the best of reasons when so worried.

 

Originally posted by =HR=Meltdown

But as for PB being added later, it depends primarly on two things:

 

1. Will LEC pay evenbalance to program PB for SW:BF? (Evenbalance contracts with the developers of the games they support)

 

2. Is SW:BF coming with a CD-Key? None of the previous LEC games have ever used a CD-Key and one is required for PB to generate it's GUID so there is a possibility that they may not ever be able to provide PB support.

 

Thanks for the input, so it sound very unlikly we'll be getting PB, but anything is possible. And how did Jedi Academy fair without hacks? Becuase I have yet to see one. My best guess is that the engine doesn't allow such things unless everyone has it. In any case, could a similar formula be devised to prevent some early on cheats to be released?

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I wouldn't say we are unlikely to get it, we just have no solid evidence that it will come packaged with the dedicated servers, and given LEC's previous handeling of distribution it doesn't look like it. This could all be changed on Tuesday though, we're just guessing right now :).

 

And someone else would have to ask about JK... I know there are some pretty powerfull hacks out there, just very few of the community know what sites to go to to find them (and I am not telling anyone as I don't believe in the practice).

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