lukeiamyourdad Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 The models are fine though I agree that the Death Star's surface looks weird.
swphreak Posted October 8, 2004 Posted October 8, 2004 I saw this comic, and laughed my ass off pretty hard.
Nairb Notneb Posted October 8, 2004 Posted October 8, 2004 Vostok, the models look like plastic and have jerky movements. The CGI look like, well, CGI cartoons. They are very different. Nice comic Phreak. Look at this trading card that Astro made. http://www.myimgs.com/data/astrotoy7/ootagootasolo.gif
Admiral Vostok Posted October 11, 2004 Author Posted October 11, 2004 I still don't think the CGI looks so different from the models it is bad. And certainly I don't think the CGI looks any better than the models.
Darth Windu Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 Vostok - really? Its actually really easy to tell the difference between the models and CGI, and i must say i adore the CGI, much like in AotC.
Nairb Notneb Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 There is a huge difference between the two. I still think that the models look great myself. IMHO, all the CGI adds to the movies is the background and the stop motion work. The rest turned out just fine. The touch up work on the sabers is garbage. Luke's "blue" sabers in ANH are some what green, and yes I checked the color setting on my TV to make sure, plus I played my VHS real version and they are different.
Admiral Vostok Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 Yes, you can tell the difference between the models and CGI, but like I said it isn't so different it looks bad. Originally posted by Nairb Notneb The touch up work on the sabers is garbage. Luke's "blue" sabers in ANH are some what green, and yes I checked the color setting on my TV to make sure, plus I played my VHS real version and they are different. There was no touch-up work done on Luke's lightsaber. The only touch-up work was done in the duel between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan. All other lightsaber bits are untouched.
DK_Viceroy Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 Perhaps Vostok Your Scholarship would like to Post up a list of what they have Actually Changed so me and My Critique Eye when I Finally get it will know what to look out for and pick to pieces. This Topic is now becomming more of an Ego Show to say who wastes the most amount of time watching the film over and over to look at miniscule details. When you do that You neglect the story as a whole and that is Blasphemy to Any Star Wars Order.
Admiral Vostok Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 When you do that You neglect the story as a whole and that is Blasphemy to Any Star Wars Order.No you don't, don't be rediculous. You can't seriously suggest I am neglecting the story of Star Wars as a whole. The list of changes can be found on many different websites, though I haven't found a fully complete list anywhere. Here's all the ones I know of or have noticed: A New Hope - Some shots with the twin suns have been cleaned up. - Greedo and Han now shoot simultaneously. - Jabba has been redone in the Special Edition scene to match his appearance in The Phantom Menace. - The Death Star jail corridor looks a lot longer. - The trash compactor monster has been altered a bit. - The English writing on the Death Star tractor beam is now in Star Wars writing (Aurabesh to you EUFans). - Vader's and Obi-Wan's lightsabers have been redone in their duel. The Empire Strikes Back: - The monkey-woman Emperor has been replaced with Ian McDiarmid, complete with some extra lines. My favourite addition. - Boba Fett's dialogue has been redone by Temeura Morrison. - Slave 1's engines sound like they do in Attack of the Clones. - Han Solo's black jacket has been erased in some bits because of an editing mistake. - Luke's scream that was added in the Special Edition when he falls down the Cloud City core was removed again. Return Of The Jedi: - The Rancor scene has been cleaned up tremendously. - Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows have been erased so Anakin is completely bald. His eyes have also been made blue to match Hayden Christensen's and Jake Lloyd's. - Naboo is seen celebrating along with the other planets. - In the shot of Coruscant, the Jedi Temple and Senate Building have been added in the background. - Hayden Christensen replaces Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost. There were probably some other minor ones but I can't think of any more right now. I haven't listened to the Audio Commentaries yet, so they may reveal more.
DK_Viceroy Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 Thank you for that Vostok I however am Now wondering why they put the Jedi Temple in since wouldn't Palpatine have had it destroyed since Not that It's Much Of A Polier But Just In case but everyone knows palpatine says something to the effect of the jedi being enemies wouldn't he have had it demolished and had some Museum or monument to his greatness erected instead? And i'm not refeering to Eu in this respect I'm referring in terms of common sense.
Admiral Vostok Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 Well it's quite possible the Jedi Temple was turned into something else like a Sith Temple or something. Palpatine would not have necessarily destroyed it. There might even be an explanation for it in Episode III. I admit it is a little odd though. EDIT: I just realised by adding the Jedi Temple at the end of Return of the Jedi, George Lucas has once again gone against EU. Why would Luke establish a new Jedi Academy on Yavin 4 when the original one still exists?
swphreak Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 Much of Coruscant was destroyed during battles... the Conquest of Coruscant, the reconquest of Coruscant by Imperial forces, the re-reconquest by New Republic. But none of that matters to you, it is EU.
Admiral Vostok Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 Of course. As the movies now show us, the death of the Emperor was the end of the Empire. The people of Coruscant would not have been able to topple statues of Palpatine if they were still under the control of the Empire. Just another instance of George Lucas showing his contempt for the EU.
swphreak Posted October 13, 2004 Posted October 13, 2004 And I meant to mention this earlier, I didn't really notice a difference between CGI/Models in space battle scenes... I didn;t know there were any CGI ships.
Admiral Vostok Posted October 13, 2004 Author Posted October 13, 2004 Yeah, I think the CGI is only obvious if you are intentionally looking for it. If you're watching the battle itself and not just the special effects it looks fine.
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 13, 2004 Posted October 13, 2004 I hear so many kids these days complaining about how ugly the models in the OT are and say that the PT is better because it has "modern" special effects... Yet I hear no one of them complaining about how ugly other older movies look like...but that's what they are, old movies. That's what makes their charm, this oldie look to it. Of course I'm a bit biased since I'm really into old movies and kids these days are so absorbed by CGI and everything...aah the good days of black and white...
Nairb Notneb Posted October 13, 2004 Posted October 13, 2004 Again GL has changed a small bit of the OT to fit his will, for what ever reason. I have said it (posted it is a more accurate term) many times. Lucas is a crazy artist that is forever "tinkering" with his "work of art". When our viewing medium changes again from DVD to whatever comes next, rest assured that he will change the definitive vision once again because he can. It all comes down to him being a marketing genius. He makes a few changes and everybody (including myself) needs to have it because now the light sabers are brighter! What a bunch of "Force" feed sheep we are. Meanwhile, he's rich, powerful and with more wealth than I could possibly imagine, and I can imagine quite a bit let me tell ya. Oh, Phreak, how could you not know there were CGI ships in the trench run? As for the Jedi Temple, I think it will be one of those changes that GL has made in order to link ROTS to the rest of the OT, plus this has been discussed in the other forums and I don't feel like doing it again right now, so maybe in about five minutes, I've got a headache.
DK_Viceroy Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 The Inclusion of the temple will bring more and more questions up especially after ROTS so it'll screw up Continuity like nothing else before it has.
Nairb Notneb Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 How will it screw up continuity? It will only be a building that is still there. So what?
Admiral Vostok Posted October 14, 2004 Author Posted October 14, 2004 The only continuity it is screwing up is EU, which as we all know already has screwed-up continuity. Movie continuity is not a problem.
DK_Viceroy Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 In your own little world keep telling yourselves but when you decide to come back to reality let me know i'll actually take the pair of you seriously Lord of all purists Hah more like Purist In denial
Admiral Vostok Posted October 14, 2004 Author Posted October 14, 2004 Yes, we as a group are in our own little world and you as an individual are the only person in the real world Don't make outrageous claims like the Jedi Temple srewing up continuity if you can't back it up.
Nairb Notneb Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 I'm sorry for the fact that we disagree with each other. I am basing my idea that the movies supersede anything else that claims to be Star Wars on the simple fact that this worlds creator, George Lucas (the true living Force), has made the statement that the facts in the movies supercede all other items if there is a conflict in facts. To me it is an open and shut case and there is no room for discussion. I don't like the changes GL made to the DVD OT release but does it matter, nope because I am not George Lucas so in reality it doesn't matter what I think about them. The movies are what all Star Wars facts are to be measured by, not EU. That is the world that I live in.
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 This sounds like blind men fighting against other blind men in their own blind world... And if you want to talk about reality, stop talking about Star Wars
DK_Viceroy Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 I'll leave him hiding in his cage somewhere then since someone so intractable is obviously not worth the effort and will be summarily ignored.
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