Darth Windu Posted December 6, 2004 Posted December 6, 2004 Hi folks. Yesterday (for my birthday) i went to see 'Team America: World Police' and today went to see 'National Treasure'. Anyway, both films had the Ep3 teaser trailer, which i might add looks pretty darn good. Getting to the point, without any spoilers, was it my imagination or did i see an X-wing at the end of the trailer?
Shok_Tinoktin Posted December 6, 2004 Posted December 6, 2004 Did you mean this?: I had to do a double take when I saw it too. My guess is that it is a precursor to the X-Wing.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 6, 2004 Posted December 6, 2004 It's called an ARC 170 and it's the precursor to the X Wing. Interesting fact also the Z-95 head hunter is the Precursor of the ARC 170
Darth Windu Posted December 6, 2004 Author Posted December 6, 2004 Shok - thanks for the pic, i was quite suprised to see an X-wing (more or less) as well - i wonder which side uses it? Viceroy - ah, so now EU has to compensate for getting things wrong...again. Initially, EU said the Z-95 was the precursor to the X-wing, now its the precursor to the precursor of the X-wing.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 Actually no your taking GB thinking and trying to imprint it on EU the Z-95 may look like the pre-precursor to the X-Wing but it doesn't say anyway that it is just the precursor.
Darth Windu Posted December 7, 2004 Author Posted December 7, 2004 Oh please, of all the EU material concerning the Z-95, almost all of it claims it was the precursor to the X-wing. EU is now going to have to stomp all over what it created and re-write itself.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 Shut up Windu with your wishful thinking the Z-95 is obviously not the precursor to the X-Wing and that was before Episde 2 was released especially iuf you read Cloak of Deception which is Pre-EP 1 and that has the Z-95 in use then. Predictable Purists who think they know EU making assumptions and getting it wrong. now who would have guessed that.
FroZticles Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 I think the Republic uses it. The colors of the hull and wings look like Republic colors.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 What would you say Republic colours are? White and Grey?
lukeiamyourdad Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 Nothing contradicts the fact that the Z-95 is the precusor of the X-Wing. They could have made the Z-95, then the ARC 170 and finally ended in the X-Wing. It's still one of the precusor.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 Exactly. We must have Immediate Censorship of Darth Windu before he makes himself look anymore like an idiot.
Darth Windu Posted December 8, 2004 Author Posted December 8, 2004 Viceroy - uh, i've read Cloak of Deception and it doesnt mention the Z-95 at all. I suggest you actually check your facts before making yourself appear less informed than we already know you are.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 8, 2004 Posted December 8, 2004 yes it does the Nebula front uses modified Cloakshapes AND Z-95's. How about you get YOUR facts straight before trying to correct a Truist.
FroZticles Posted December 8, 2004 Posted December 8, 2004 How bout you both go and get your facts right so the rest of us know what you are talking about
Darth Windu Posted December 9, 2004 Author Posted December 9, 2004 Viceroy - no, only Cloakshapes, not Z-95's. FroZ - in the book 'Cloak of Deception' there is some terrorist organisation known as the 'Nebula Front'. Viceroy reacons the book has Z-95's in them, I say he's wrong.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 I'll find the page then and post up an image then just to prove you wrong Windu. EDIT: just did it's on page 41 and it refers to what the NEBLUA FRONT lost I even took the liberty of underlining it for you Windu since you need help reading things.
Nairb Notneb Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 From the Star Wars data base: http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/z95headhunter/eu.html "Developed in a cooperative venture between Incom Industries (now the Incom Corporation) and the now-defunct Subpro Corporation, the Z-95 is largely recognized as the premiere starfighter of its era, and the forerunner of the incredibly successful X-wing starfighter The Z-95 has changed throughout the years, eventually evolving into the T-65 Incom X-wing starfighter. " I was always under the impression that the Headhunter was the precursor to the X-wing. That is what the official data base says here by the way.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 Nairb the Phrase Evolving actually fits in because there are several stages in evoloution first the Z-95 then the ARC-170 then the X-Wing. As the page above shows however the Z-95 was in use long beofre the clone wars started so there is scope for another fighter to have been designed. The Evidence is Indisputable.
saberhagen Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 Much as it worries me to be agreeing with Viceory, he has quite clearly owned you all. End of thread.
DK_Viceroy Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 It's nice when people agree with me. I doubt however, Windu will take this quietly or reasonably either.
Nairb Notneb Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 Well, I'm not disagreeing with the good Viceroy about the ARC-170. Lucas has shown that it is now the father to the blessed X-wing. However, it has also been a long standing fact in the EU that the Z-95 was the predecessor to our precious snub-fighter. At first glance the two seem to be in conflict, however, when one reads my above posting of the database entry of the Headhunter, one can clearly see that the X-wing was based upon the Z-95 and that the ARC-170 has also come from that. The 170 has obviously influenced the X as well. I would look upon the Z-95 as the grandfather and the 170 as the father to the X-wing. It looks to me that Lucas has trumped his EU slightly. In this case he didn't realy change it, but add to its course a little.
Darth Windu Posted December 9, 2004 Author Posted December 9, 2004 lol, believe it or not, I can actually admit when I am wrong. It has happened before and it will happen again, so it really doesnt bother me that much. Viceroy - well done. Not only did you prove me wrong, but you did it in a calm, reasonable manner while using hard evidence to support - which is exactly how these sorts of arguments should be played out. Perhaps from now on you will stop flaming people (like Vostok) when they disagree with you or just to start an argument. Well done
DK_Viceroy Posted December 10, 2004 Posted December 10, 2004 well It's fortunate that my scanner is able to take such a large book like Cloak od Deception otherwise I would have had to give a poage number since there would be no way I would actually rip out a page. All EU will fit in it's just a case of re-interpretating what we know just like now with the Z-95 ARC-170 and the T-65 X-Wing. You raise a god point about Vostok since he's away he's missed the benefit of this and if conversation wheels round to this again it may take a while to convince him. Anway i hope he enjoys Europe.
FroZticles Posted December 10, 2004 Posted December 10, 2004 Your scanner is a life saver otherwise your whole argument would have collapsed.......
DK_Viceroy Posted December 10, 2004 Posted December 10, 2004 If my agrument had collapsed I wouldn't have let it go down easily and everyone would think incorrectly and since we have now dicovered that the EU is still valid we can reinterpert the rest of it.
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