lukeiamyourdad Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Yeah but they could have done the campaign without him and it was a continuity error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted January 10, 2005 Author Share Posted January 10, 2005 To you maybe but have you ever wondered what happens between New Hope and Before the Empire strikes back. I don't know where it screws up continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Originally posted by FroZticles It is still possible for other Jedi to exist in the OT besides the ones we saw in the films. They said that Vader was the only one in the galaxy left with the knowledge of the force but Yoda had managed to slip under the radar and not get killed. It is possible that they exist. However, they will all be in hiding and never exposing themselves as Jedi. The Emperor went out of his way (i.e. is extremely fanatical about) destroying or controlling any and all force users. If a Jedi were to pop up and start using his powers to battle the Empire, the Emperor and his minions would hunt them down with extreme prejudice. That is why Kenobi and Yoda and anyone else went into hiding. If it wasn't dangerous to show oneself as a Jedi, they (along with any other Jedi) would have been fighting with the Rebellion years before ANH. Are you suggesting they were on vacation or just didn't feel like fighting the Empire? If Imperial troops discovered a Jedi on the battlefield, said Jedi would then be subjected to the full might of the Empire. That is why it is completely inappropriate and a continuity error to have full-fledged Jedi on the battlefield in an OT era game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird_Al Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 If you ask me they should just have Luke and Vader. And this is coming from a self-prophessed Jedi fanboy. My reasoning is though Palps and Yoda are around Palps would never be on the frontlines and Yoda's still on Dagobah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Well everyone except the Jedi in the OT. Or the serie will face a massive continuity error. or perhaps others might have lived, they just stay hidden, I mean it's not like they really mattered to the story in the OT anyway, so they may have been left out, off screen, whatever you wanna say. Anyway, I agree with Prime, I think Jedi should not be included in the game, or atleast not ones we didn't see in the movie. Maybe just Obi-Wan and Luke, and possibly Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Well, Luke and Leia wouldn't be the last hopes then would they? If the Force indeeds pushes a restart button for the Jedi everything x amount of years, it would not really be a fully new beginning then, if all the vestiges of the Old Jedi order are not erased. http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141281&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted January 16, 2005 Author Share Posted January 16, 2005 No thats not true Luke and Leia are still the last hopes because Obi-Wan and Yoda only know they are the last of the Jedi. More could exist somewhere in the galaxy but keep hidden. Also Luke is the only one who could draw the good back out of Vader no other regular Jedi could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus_Leto Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Seeing as how complex and heated this argument is going, I really think the Jedi should be left out. Like everyone's saying, they'd have to be superhuman to survive in this game, but they aren't. They couldn't cut down an AT-AT in real life so they shouldn't be in fights where AT-AT's exist. They should just be left out this time around, we've had enough Jedi games; we need more trooper games like Battlefront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroven Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 sounds good, would be nice to have jedis with:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Well, Luke and Leia wouldn't be the last hopes then would they? If the Force indeeds pushes a restart button for the Jedi everything x amount of years, it would not really be a fully new beginning then, if all the vestiges of the Old Jedi order are not erased. Luke and Leia were the last hopes because they were the only ones that could be capable of defeating Vader and Palpatine. Skywalker blood and all that, remember the force is strong in their family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Jedi should definitely not be in the game. The Republic was the only faction that employed Jedi on the battle field in significant numbers, and they aren't in this game. Sure Jedi are fun in a game but you have to draw the line between gameplay and realism somewhere. And to those who say it is possible there are other Jedi hiding, I disagree. The prophecy says Anakin Skywalker will bring the Force back into balance; what this means is that there will be only two Sith (as there have always been) in Sidious/Palpatine and Vader, and to balance them two Jedi in Yoda and Obi-Wan. As lukeiamyourdad said, if there were other Jedi in hiding then Luke/Leia would not be the Jedi's last hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 but Vostok are those jedi in the same position as Luke and Leia? In terms of being highly desired by the Emporer while other Jedi are merely target practise? Your Purism betrays you, you take everything so literally. I have yet to read the book that mentions the tree form Jedi Master on Ossuss, but obviously that Jedi would b in no position to slay the emporer and thrust the empire into dis-array as the Battle on Endor did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Originally posted by Augustus_Leto Seeing as how complex and heated this argument is going, I really think the Jedi should be left out. Like everyone's saying, they'd have to be superhuman to survive in this game, but they aren't. They couldn't cut down an AT-AT in real life so they shouldn't be in fights where AT-AT's exist. They should just be left out this time around, we've had enough Jedi games; we need more trooper games like Battlefront. Seems to me Luke did pretty well single-handedly against an AT-AT... Maybe the jedi just need cary magnetic grapplers and thermo detonators. My 2 cents: The Jedi/Sith from the movies should be in the game as hero units, Luke and Vader certainly, and possibly Obi-wan, Yoda, and Palpatine as well in a smaller capacity. I don't have a problem with the revelation of hidden Jedi (such as Echuu) given the expansion across different planets, but it should be kept to a minimum (campaigns only)... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Originally posted by Admiral Vostok As lukeiamyourdad said, if there were other Jedi in hiding then Luke/Leia would not be the Jedi's last hope. Originally posted by InsaneSith Luke and Leia were the last hopes because they were the only ones that could be capable of defeating Vader and Palpatine. Skywalker blood and all that, remember the force is strong in their family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird_Al Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Originally posted by Admiral Vostok And to those who say it is possible there are other Jedi hiding, I disagree. The prophecy says Anakin Skywalker will bring the Force back into balance; what this means is that there will be only two Sith (as there have always been) in Sidious/Palpatine and Vader, and to balance them two Jedi in Yoda and Obi-Wan. As lukeiamyourdad said, if there were other Jedi in hiding then Luke/Leia would not be the Jedi's last hope. Lucas doesn't mean equal numbers by balance. He means that the Sith are a cancer on the Force creating imbalance whereas the Jedi live in peace with the Force's will thus, they don't upset the balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I never thought Vostok would dig himself into a hole so early:p I thought he was far more careful that that:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Originally posted by Admiral Vostok The prophecy says Anakin Skywalker will bring the Force back into balance; what this means is that there will be only two Sith (as there have always been) in Sidious/Palpatine and Vader, and to balance them two Jedi in Yoda and Obi-Wan. As lukeiamyourdad said, if there were other Jedi in hiding then Luke/Leia would not be the Jedi's last hope. I don't think the meaning of "bring balance to the Force" has been clarified enough for you to make that statement. Actually, you are the first person I've seen to take that view of its meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Actually I've argued the same point several times on the SW forums... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonepadawan Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 The prophecy says Anakin Skywalker will bring the Force back into balance; what this means is that there will be only two Sith (as there have always been) in Sidious/Palpatine and Vader, and to balance them two Jedi in Yoda and Obi-Wan. As lukeiamyourdad said, if there were other Jedi in hiding then Luke/Leia would not be the Jedi's last hope. Lucas has said that the force is bought back into balance when Palpatine is destroyed... And if your theory is correct... how does that work if all that is left is 1 jedi... is the force OUT of balance again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordAngelus Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 For that matter, you'll even be able to recruit powerful hero characters for your armies, including legendary Jedi, such as the fearsome Sith lord Darth Vader. That was from the gamespot article. Given the nature of the game, I suspect you can assign a hero character to a planet or a fleet and if they're present at a location where a battle starts, they can be used to influence the outcome but if they're somewhere else, you can't use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Originally posted by lonepadawan Lucas has said that the force is bought back into balance when Palpatine is destroyed... And if your theory is correct... how does that work if all that is left is 1 jedi... is the force OUT of balance again? Could be, balance is a tricky thing. But then, we're talking about a sole surviving Jedi with a lot of gray area. Luke has a fair amount of control issues, he uses Darkside powers (force choking Gammorian guards), and he basically draws upon the darkside to defeat Vader on combat; he's not a shining example of what a Lightside Jedi is. Perhaps that's why the Force could be in balance with him being the sole survivor. The Sith thrive upon their hate and rage while the Jedi strive always to control their emotions. Luke is in the middle; in that sense, he's more natural, and given that the Force is generated and helps to maintain the natural flow of life, Luke might better serve to keep the balance by not shifting to either of the extremes. As to balance being achieved with Palpatine's death, well we're left with Vader, who's attempted to walk both paths and had more success on the Darkside. Vader's self-sacrifice in the defeat of Palpitine allows him to pretty much let go of the greater aspects of his Darkside, putting him more near the middle with Luke (allowing the balance to be achieved). When he dies, just Luke is left which points back to my previous argument... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Viceroy, I'm hardly dug into a hole. It's true that the numbers thing is really just my way of interpreting the prophecy - and apparently Kryllith's as well. CodeDrifter's interpretation is also valid. We may find out which interpretation is correct in ROTS but then again it may be left open for debate. At any rate I believe that Vader does bring about the balance by having 2 Sith = 2 Jedi. And yes, Lonepadawan, that does mean once Luke is the only Jedi then the Force is once again "out of balance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Vostok it wouldn't be the first time you've dug yourself into a hole, this is just the most recent example. I like to think of the Jedi and Sith as having a much deeper meaning than mere numbers, that takes some of the essence of a jedi out. Also Mace Windu never mentions anything about numbers he implies healing the rift between the users of the light and dark. This actually fits in with the EU since the Sith Empire and the Republic had several wars and if the two consiliated it would bring things back into balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonepadawan Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Eh... star wars purism or whatnot is another word for overanalyzing entertainment? Star Wars is space myth man! It's not about numbers! "The balance" is a slightly more romantic concept than simply 1 jedi 1 sith or anything.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Lonepadawn you'll fit in well in this Warzone:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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