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[Spider AL]

I would.

 

Pulling Hitler out to show how "evil" something may be = cardage

But Hitler and the Nazis DID do some evil things, one of which was invading other nations.

 

To say: "Hitler was vegetarian so veggies are evil" in a debate on vegetarianism is "pulling the hitler card".

 

But to say: "This so-called police action is in many ways remeniscent of Hitler's annexing of the Sudetenland" is just... a comparison from history, and an applicable one at that. Not EVERYTHING to do with Hitler is "pulling the Hitler card".

[kipperthefrog]

Originally posted by Spider AL

But Hitler and the Nazis DID do some evil things, one of which was invading other nations.

 

To say: "Hitler was vegetarian so veggies are evil" in a debate on vegetarianism is "pulling the hitler card".

 

But to say: "This so-called police action is in many ways remeniscent of Hitler's annexing of the Sudetenland" is just... a comparison from history, and an applicable one at that. Not EVERYTHING to do with Hitler is "pulling the Hitler card".

 

You said It.

 

...but don't worry Spider. I just recieved Word That Bu$h's Approoval raing is down to %43 (I think I remember right) anyway. The lowest it's ever been. People are concerned about the skyrocketing gas prices and tha price of everything goin up. 'Bout time! Best news I heard in a long time!

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by

Origianlly posted by Dagobahn Eagle

 

 

But with the Hitler card, yes.

 

 

Oh Bother...

 

With all due respect, looks like Poohbear and Catface have no imagination.

 

Now back on topic. I feel sorry for the next president that has to repay all that debt.

[Mike Windu]

Originally posted by kipperthefrog

Oh Bother...

 

With all due respect, looks like Poohbear and Catface have no imagination.

 

Now back on topic. I feel sorry for the next president that has to repay all that debt.

 

"I have more imagination in 1 tentacle than you two have in your entire bodies." ~ Squidward

 

But yeah, what does me not having imagination have to do with the war in Iraq? Or the Hitler card.

 

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Kind of sad that we can hire around a million teachers for one year with this kind of money. I know schools need it.

 

Or we can give schools a higher budget. Because so many programs (music, athletics) are being cut from school proggies already.

[El Sitherino]

The problem is people use the Hitler thing way too much. It's become rather annoying, even when used properly, which this is the first time I've seen it used properly.

 

 

The thing is it's just a cheap argument, even if it makes sense. It's just cheap and impersonal.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Oh Bother...

With all due respect, looks like Poohbear and Catface have no imagination.

She's got a name, you know. Call her "Mio" next time:mad:.

 

Dang insensitive frogs. Times were better when C'Jais the panda was here:p...

 

Now back on topic. I feel sorry for the next president that has to repay all that debt.

Indeed. If he is. Maybe he'll leave the huge national debt to the next one, who'll leave it to the next one, and so on.

 

Bah, we're agreeing too much here. Where did all the Bush-supporters go when we need them?

[kipperthefrog]

Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle

Bah, we're agreeing too much here. Where did all the Bush-supporters go when we need them?

 

Maybie when their arguments quickly become invalid, they withdraw becuase they have no reasonable foundation for their argument.

[The Hidden One]

Bah, we're agreeing too much here. Where did all the Bush-supporters go when we need them?

 

 

Right Here.

 

 

You know things could actually help the econcomy if certain bills could get passed the Congress without the Dempcrats filibustering everything.

 

And they say they want to help the economy but they won't let it happen. I just don't understand it....

[Dagobahn Eagle]

And those bills would be...?

[The Hidden One]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1364619/posts

 

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_03/005781.php

[Mike Windu]

It appears that the Democrats wish to destroy the govenment and stop justice in America.

 

Such an amazingly unbiased article.

 

What's better is the comments of third graders that follow.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Democrats continued to threaten to shutdown the U.S. Government if there fillibustering of U.S. Federal Appeals court nominees is overriden.

It's "their", not "there"! If you're going to write senseless propaganda and present it as "serious articles", at least fix your grammar.

 

It appears that the Democrats wish to destroy the govenment and stop justice in America.

By drilling for oil in Antarctica? Don't tell the anarchists it's that easy, or they'll wipe out NYC and Washington DC by turning Alaska into a piece of Swiss Cheese:rolleyes: !

 

The other article has a point, though. But the fact remains that Bush is ruining the economy that Clinton fought so hard to build up.

[Spider AL]

"It appears that the Democrats wish to destroy the govenment and stop justice in America."

 

...

 

PAHAHA!

 

You know, there are times when I'm almost glad we share the planet with neoconservatives. They do provide SOME amusement, after all...

[kipperthefrog]

Sorry...

 

There isn't enough oil IN the artic refuge to sustain America's thirst for gasoline for a month.

 

If you want to cut our dependance on oil, fund Hybrid cars to make them cheaper. buils electric monorail transits so people would would have alternitive transportation .

 

If you want to help the economy, put people to work with decent wages so they can buy stuff and pay more taxes. If people can't make enough money to live on, people can't buy, people can't sustain the economy. $300 tax breaks won't help.

[ShadowTemplar]

Originally posted by Tyrion

or buy one from the black market (supposedly there's a few due to the collaspe of the Soviet Union.)

 

He'd still need an accelerator to produce tritium for the arming. Assuming, of course, that he wasn't going to make fireworks in a hurry. Or rely on a swift supply of an unstable substance when he wanted it to blow.

 

Kind of sad that we can hire around a million teachers for one year with this kind of money. I know schools need it.

 

Hell, we could repair Hubble. Or even relaunch the SCSC project. Or put a (wo)man on Mars. Or build a research station there.

 

 

 

Who's for it? Who's against it? Credit card companies, who have grown rich from their increasingly revolting loan shark-like tactics, don't want to pay the price of their reliance on these obscene methods. They want the ability to engage in any kind of shady marketing they can, eagerly promoting the virtues of almost unlimited debt to people they know to be unsound risks, but when the loans don't pay off they don't want to suffer the consequences. Credit card companies are among the primary backers of the bankruptcy bill, which is largely designed to shield them from taking responsibility for their own loan portfolios.

 

Conversely, practically every consumer group in the country is against the bill.

 

Bottom line: you don't need to understand all the intricacies of bankruptcy law to know what to think of this bill. Through their actions, its sponsors have made it abundantly plain that abuse of the system isn't their real aim: protection of major campaign contributors is. The poor get shafted, the very real crisis of medical bankruptcy is ignored, the rich are allowed loopholes that let them off the hook, and credit card companies can continue on their merry way knowing they won't have to pay the price for their own folly.

 

Welcome to America.

 

Interesting. Was that one of dubya's bills again?

[Dagobahn Eagle]

(...) Or even relaunch the SCSC project. Or put a (wo)man on Mars. Or build a research station there.

All waste of money in my eyes. It will serve to increase prestige and so on, sure. However, prestige doesn't increase the living standars of a nation, so the trip to Mars that Dubya has planned, for example, is just a White Elephant that won't help the nation in any way whatsoever (sure, we'll learn stuff and blah, blah, blah, but that won't benefit us. It won't make John Doe better off like more hospitals, teachers, better roads, fire departments or street lighting does).

 

Privatize NASA already. It's bad enough that the USA spent $100 billion+ on ISS if we aren't going to spend $400 billion more on another white elephant.

 

You could say that I'm against it just because I'm not American. The problem with that is that even if the Norwegian government was planning to go to Mars, attaching a $400 billion (provided the Norwegian State had that kind of money]), I'd be against it. I'd be immensely proud of my country's achievements, but I wouldn't be carried away too much to realize that there is such a thing as priorities.

[kipperthefrog]

Maybie Bu$h wants to get more oil from mars!

 

Imagine the cost of the pipeline.

[toms]

Gosh. Voting against drilling for oil in alaska. What evil b*****ds! Have they no heart??????

 

Surely even republicans can see that there are valid reasons to vote against that idea... even if on balance you come to the conclusion that the pros outweigh the cons.

Whatever you decide its only a temporary solution at best, thought the possible damage might be nearly permanent.

 

Seems to me to be like taking out another credit card so you can keep on spending... rather than trying to budget properly so you don't need another one. But then I AM trying to destroy the govenment and stop justice in America.

 

As for the second article... i'll admit i understand little of the detail... and don't know enogh about politics in america to recognise the names involved... but the impression i got was that this was a republican bill, that the article was saying it was a rotten bill only designed to screw the little guy, that people tried to add sensible amendments and the republicans blocked them.

 

Did i read that completely wrong? Or did The Hidden One post teh wrong article?

[ShadowTemplar]

Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle

All waste of money in my eyes.

 

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(sure, we'll learn stuff and blah, blah, blah, but that won't benefit us.

 

I disagree. Take CERN as an example. While critics might argue that CERN has an unjustifyably vast budget compared to the direct impact of the research being carried out there (let's face it pals, nobody gives a damn about the gluon's spin), the spin-off effects have been considerable.

 

One particularily noteworthy example is the field of superconductivity, a branch of technology and engineering which CERN can claim considerable credit for commercialising.

 

Linkage

 

Or take the Apollo program, which was launched (bad pun, I know) solely for the spin-off effects.

 

Privatize NASA already. It's bad enough that the USA spent $100 billion+ on ISS if we aren't going to spend $400 billion more on another white elephant.

 

While I agree that NASA has been spoiled by vast budgets to such a degree that they have become sloppy with their cost/benefit analysis protocols, I hardly think that privatisation is the solution.

 

We definitely need a slimmer NASA with less burocrats, fatcats and politicians on every level, with a considerably sharper definition of its objectives and a severe budget cut, but to sever the governmental involvement in the space exploration and exploitation program would be folly.

 

Things like Hubble and MIR would never have been possible if the space sector had been privately controlled.