Shem Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 There are ways to have Kreia be influenced and still be Light Side or Dark Side. Kreia - Influence Decrease - "That is a lesson I will never learn, for I do not believe it." in response to "And that is my lesson to you. Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clenched fist." after meeting the third beggar in the landing pad area (Kreia: 26) This is an example where you can tell Kreia there is wisdom in what she says and you can be more careful in the future and still get Light Side points along with her influence. With Kreia, I get most of my influence with her by learning her lessons of listening, skills, etc. You can get 100% with her that way. Doing the lessons open up enough influence and she'll tell you about Revan and you can get more influence with her. With Bao-Dur and the Handmaiden, there are ways of being Dark Side and getting 100% with them too. Like on Nar Shaddaa, you can tell the thugs to hand over their credits and jump off the ledge and you get Dark Side points and influence with Bao-Dur. Also compliment Bao-Dur on his work with the sensors on Dantooine and putting together the speeder that can get you around Nar Shaddaa by letting him help you. The Handmaiden can get 100% by just training with her on the Ebon Hawk and being Dark Side. Just don't murder in front of her and you're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted February 8, 2006 Author Share Posted February 8, 2006 *wonders if anyone reads the Introduction* Well done, Shem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shem Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 *wonders if anyone reads the Introduction* Well done, Shem. It's a long read and well put together. I hope my suggestions helped people out there who want to gain influence with every party member instead of going the loss direction and still keep their Light or Dark Alignment. Especially those party members who will learn the ways of the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted February 8, 2006 Author Share Posted February 8, 2006 I'm sorry, Shem, maybe I missed it but I didn't see any new contributions in your post. Yes, the methods that you listed are valid, but 1) they might not be consistent with the Assumptions listed in the Introduction and 2) are included in the General Influence Guide. The purpose of this walkthrough is to gain (or lose) the required influence with each party member as quickly as possible without sacrificing your PC's alignment. If the influence opportunities that you mentioned aren't in the walkthrough, it's probably because they don't meet both of those criteria (or aren't even necessary...or conflict with a influence shift required for another NPC). On a side note, I'm pretty sure many of the examples you provided are already in the walkthrough, so I'm not clear why posting them again was necessary *confused* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shem Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 The purpose of this walkthrough is to gain (or lose) the required influence with each party member as quickly as possible without sacrificing your PC's alignment. The quickly as possible is true. My suggestions do require more patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted February 8, 2006 Author Share Posted February 8, 2006 Therefore, they are completely outside the scope of this walkthrough and probably have no merit in this thread. Feel free to use the General Influence Guide that I put together to make and publish your own. Just make sure that I get an acknowledgement in the readme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shem Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Therefore, they are completely outside the scope of this walkthrough and probably have no merit in this thread. Feel free to use the General Influence Guide that I put together to make and publish your own. Just make sure that I get an acknowledgement in the readme Well actually after I read your guide out of curiosity, I skimmed through to see other people's comments. I came across this. why isnt boa-dur a dark jedi??? I think he means that on the DS influence walkthrough there is no option allowing Bao-Dur to become a dark jedi. I was just making general responses that it's not necessary to follow your guide and that there are other ways to do things if you so desired. That's one of the reasons why I made the Bao-Dur comments that you can make him a Dark Jedi and other things I noticed just in case people wonder if there are other alternatives to the suggestions you have made. We did established it takes more patience, but it can be done since I've done Bao-Dur a Dark Jedi and got the influence of every party member by being Dark Side. I do feel I was contributing to the discussion by adding to people's general questions they had, or will have possibly have in the future. Anyway, again the guide is well done and thanks to all your hard work, it will add to the fun of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted February 9, 2006 Author Share Posted February 9, 2006 Well actually after I read your guide out of curiosity, I skimmed through to see other people's comments. I came across this. How convenient that you somehow missed the two posts following those I was just making general responses that it's not necessary to follow your guide and that there are other ways to do things if you so desired. Yep, sure is. But that's for the guide and not the walkthrough That's one of the reasons why I made the Bao-Dur comments that you can make him a Dark Jedi and other things I noticed just in case people wonder if there are other alternatives to the suggestions you have made. I don't recall making any suggestion. I do recall writing a walkthough based on a series of assumptions. Your point is valid though: I did assume that the reader would be famililar with the game and would already know that you can go out of your way to gain influence with Bao-Dur (and Mira and Disciple) by doing LS acts even though you're DS. We did established it takes more patience, but it can be done since I've done Bao-Dur a Dark Jedi and got the influence of every party member by being Dark Side. Kudos to you. Without a doubt, that is one way to do it. Unfortunately, it's not the quickest way and while that's perfectly fine, it's not aligned with the walkthrough that I wrote. I do feel I was contributing to the discussion by adding to people's general questions they had, or will have possibly have in the future.It's possible. Personally, I feel that those questions could have been addressed by reading the introduction, but it's obvious some people don't like to read the instructions Not sure how I can address that though. Maybe your post is the answer. Anyway, again the guide is well done and thanks to all your hard work, it will add to the fun of the game. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shem Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I think it's appropriate to at an update to this thread about turning the Handmaiden to the Dark Side as a Dark Jedi Guardian and that this is the quickest and best way to do it since people who go Dark Side, want their apprentices to be on the Dark Side as well. Below is a guide to making the Handmaiden a Dark Jedi Guardian, getting 100% influence with her and turing her to the Dark Side of the Force. Please note that my PC (the Exile) is named, Torran. Also the Handmaiden's name will be Brianna, since it is her real name. I'm also using pictures from the dialogue entries to give you a visual guide. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD11.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD12.jpg At this point, the Handmaiden's influence is at 58 points. No Light or Dark Side shifts have been made with my PC. Now I approach her to train with her. I've included all the dialogue until the first fight is over. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD21.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD22.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD23.jpg At this point, you have gained 16 points in influence, and your influence total points is now 74 points. No Light or Dark Side shifts have been made with my PC. There is a save point at the end of the dialogues in this area that starts off as, "No all Jedi Knights fell in battle..." that has nothing to do with the previous fight. Now I approach her to train with again for the second time. Again, I've included all the dialogue until the second fight is over. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD31.jpg At this point, you have gained just 8 points in influence, and your current influence level is now 82 points. No Light or Dark Side shifts have been made with my PC. Again there is a save point at the very bottom. Now it's time to ask the Handmaiden why she looks different than her sisters. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD41.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD42.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD43.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD44.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD45.jpg Now you have gained another 8 points in influence, and your current influence level is now 90 points. The beauty of this is there is that a Dark Side shift has been made by my PC and I got influence. Talk about a score. One thing has happened here is that you now have the nessessary influence points to train her as a Jedi, you just need to train with her one more time. Again there is a save point at the very bottom. The next thing you need to do is talk to Kreia and in the bottom pics, it will reveal who the Handmaiden's mother was. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD51.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD52.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD53.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD54.jpg No Light or Dark Side shifts have been made with my PC, or influence with Kreia has been changed. You're still at 90 points influence with the Handmaiden. Again there is a save point at the very bottom. Now you go and ask the Handmaiden to show you the final instruction. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD61.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD62.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD63.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD64.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD65.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/JediShemL/Handmaiden%20Progress/HandD66.jpg There you can see the Handmaiden has now become a Dark Jedi Guardian. No Light or Dark Side shifts have been made with my PC. Now at this point, you would have gained 16 points in influence, but due to the fact that you were at 90, you only get 10 points, and your influence with the Handmaiden is now at 100 points. Questions? Comments? A great way to see the Handmaiden's influence progress is to check it once you have gain any influence with her to see how it matches up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 ^^^^ Please note that there is some debate over the validity of Shem's contribution. It has not been verified by anyone other than him. Also, it appears that some of the steps might not be in alignment with the assumptions made in the introduction, meaning that it is not applicable toward this particular walkthrough. Shem has been repeatedly invited to make his own walkthrough using his own set of assumptions. Thanks. Edit: I bolded the pertinent part, Shem seems to have misunderstood what Achilles Guide is all about. -RH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtriniman Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Achilles I must say a hearty thank you to you. For the 1st time since I played this game I have gotten Atton,Mira & Bao-Dur as jedi. Before I coudl only get the Handmaiden alone. Thanks so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyjedi Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Thanks, Achilles, for a succinct and understandable walkthrough. I think I finally have the influence system figured out, thanks to you. I've played the game through several times, and last time managed all the possible jedis recruited before leaving Nar Shadda, all glowy with the light. Even T3 was glowing like a little tin jedi. But I never could unlock either G0-T0 or HK. Aargh. This time through, I think I'll make it. Again, Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glux.nl Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Ima wondering, why do you want Bao-Dur to be a lightside Jedi when following the darkside? Everywhere in your DS influence walkthru I read you want to have him LS (by losing inf when you PC is DS) while having the entire party DS. Is there some kinda benefit you get when Bao-Dur is LS instead of DS? - Glux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Ima wondering, why do you want Bao-Dur to be a lightside Jedi when following the darkside? Everywhere in your DS influence walkthru I read you want to have him LS (by losing inf when you PC is DS) while having the entire party DS. Is there some kinda benefit you get when Bao-Dur is LS instead of DS? - Glux From post #1 Assumptions This guide has been written with the following assumptions in mind: 1) Players will not want to make Light Side choices while playing Dark Side and vice versa. <snip> 4) Players (wanting to follow assumption #1) will not go out of their way to gain influence with a party NPC that is clearly diametrically opposed to their PC's alignment (see Stuff You Should Know, If You Don't Already). Exception is made in the case of Kreia due to the fact that she's never happy with your choices, no matter what you do. Bao-Dur is one of those characters that you cannot (sufficiently) influence with DS acts. In order to gain sufficient influence you will have to do LS acts which totally kills any attempt to roleplay. In other words, it's possible but since it is outside the scope of this walkthrough, it's not included here. I hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glux.nl Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Ok, thx for replying! I'll follow your guide except for Bao-Dur, gonna try to make a second Darth Maul out of him. So I guess I have to wait till later ingame to make him a Dark Jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Not actually. You should still be able to train him pretty quickly. Just follow the LS walkthrough for him. You'll pick up some LS points, but you'll be able to train him after 2 conversations. Doing this should not conflict with any of the other NPCs during the DS walkthrough. Just make sure that you ignore the first Bao-Dur decrease listed in the DS walkthrough (military base on Telos). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntersquid Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Amazing job Achilles! I've just been converting the walkthrough and the xls file into html for the website (not live yet) and I can just appreciate even more the quality of your work and the hours you must have spent doing this Will there be any chance of you releasing your guide in .txt format (as opposed to .xls)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted April 9, 2006 Author Share Posted April 9, 2006 It would be pretty hard to read and you wouldn't be able to use any of the sort features (which is specifically why I used Excel). If you don't have Excel, you should find a link to the Excel view directly beneath the download link. If you don't use Windows, then I guess you're on your own for finding a viewer. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntersquid Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 It would be pretty hard to read and you wouldn't be able to use any of the sort features (which is specifically why I used Excel). If you don't have Excel, you should find a link to the Excel view directly beneath the download link. If you don't use Windows, then I guess you're on your own for finding a viewer. Sorry. I have excel, but I guess you're right. I asked because spreadsheets are difficult to print to refer to later in the game. Thanks anyway {snip} Achilles! * - please do not use someone's real name on the boards unless you have their specific consent. - Darth333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 OK, this came off the kotorfanmedia boards and it was too amusing not to share. On the "Books never written by kotor characters" thread was found (among others like 'Learning to trust in 10 easy steps by Carth Onasi' and 'Lightsabers 101 by Bao-Dur') ' "How to win friends and gain influence - the essential guide to speaking to party members" by The Exile ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSR Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 heh heh. maybe a mod could even make up a similar face set up i.e colour wise. that would rock great guide btw, just spent most of this evenin reading it. thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOxyClean Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 Hey! Great job man! Haha, i wish i had this the first 2 times i played through the game!! Keep up the good work!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe89 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 My influence with HK is at 100, but there is only one possible lesson for killing Jedi. I think you were mistaken about the rewards. Here is why. When you ask him about killing Jedi "I need to know, to protect myself.", he begins to tell you what weapons to use. Follow that dialogue tree to it's end, "What do you mean?", and you get the Wis bonus and Will save bonus. Then ask, "You seem to have thought this through.", and you get the Constitution and Reflex bonus. That is it. You only get +1 Wis, +1 Con. Not +2 of each. Either that or the dialogue tree is not coming up for lesson #2. If you could show me a dialogue script for what I am missing, if anything, or take some still shots of dialogue for a second Jedi lesson, I would be grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 Sounds like you're missing the 2nd tree. It's been so long that I don't remember the exact option, but I'm pretty sure that it's a continuation of the first. If you have DLGEditor you can open up HK47.dlg and check for yourself, otherwise I'll try to remember to look when I get home. EDIT: BTW, I've always gotten both bonuses, so I know they're there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe89 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Alright. I'd appreciate it if you check when you get home. It is really a pain in the ass not getting both of the bonuses, and I don't have the DLGEditor, and even if I did, I probably would not know how to use it. Edit: Does anyone have an answer? I have been nothing but stumped this far. Joe89, please do not 'bump' threads. I have combined your posts. Thanks. -RH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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