TheExileReturns Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 You forget that the Star Destroyers were actually used in Episode II by the then "Galactic Republic." Technically the ships in Kotor I flown by the Sith are Rakatan designed ships and the true Sith Empire-ships and all is somehwere else waiting to be seen in Kotor III. So the Ravager, which kind of looks like an Imperial Star Destroyer is based on the same designs that the Republic probably got from the Kamenoans in Episode II along with the clone army. "Don't make me destroy you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSade Posted October 25, 2005 Author Share Posted October 25, 2005 This game is set 4000 years before the "Galactic Republic" and the Ravager doesn't look like any other ship in the Republic fleet, your theory is flawed Exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 It sort of looks like the Leviathan. Besides, there were more Ravager ships at Malachor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Well at least the Ravager doesn't look exactly like an ISD. How abou Goto? He's just the torture droid from ANH. I mean that really upset me. The shuttle I can accept as a logical design, the Ravager I can excuse, but a main character with a recycled design just sucks! I think they shouldn't ever let Obsidion make the next game, they clearly have no imagination. Don't even get me started on the robes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Probably the wrong choice of words, BattleDog. That topic of debate is a big no-no. Lets leave it be, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Alright, sorry is that Taboo? We have that at XWAU, the SSD is 17.6km long. I understand, can I ask why its taboo? Is there an explanation of why I could read somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I rather not take the time to dig through the 20 pages of topics, but there were a few very heated threads on OE vs. Bio, whether or not OE did a good job and why, etc, that were all spawned off similar points of debate. If someone says “OE sucks”, people disagree, then everyone starts debating and flaming...it's a big mess that I'm sure everyone wants to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Oh, I see, I thought the Go-To and robes thing was Taboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Nah, I agree with you regarding G0-T0. A bit too "derived from ANH" for my tastes. The robes too, though I think there was some fan pressure for those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExileReturns Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 This game is set 4000 years before the "Galactic Republic" and the Ravager doesn't look like any other ship in the Republic fleet, your theory is flawed Exile. No, actually the plot to Kotor II is full of flaws and the fact that they stuck the Ravager in there, when it looks like a ship from OT is just another flaw. I'm just saying it doesn't look like a Sith Ship because techically Star Destroyers are Kamenoan designed ships like the Clone Troopers and we havent met the True Sith yet, just Revan and Malaks' Sith army from the Star forge- which is of Rakatan design. We have yet to see a true "Sith" ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 No, actually the plot to Kotor II is full of flaws and the fact that they stuck the Ravager in there, when it looks like a ship from OT is just another flaw. I'm just saying it doesn't look like a Sith Ship because techically Star Destroyers are Kamenoan designed ships like the Clone Troopers and we havent met the True Sith yet, just Revan and Malaks' Sith army from the Star forge- which is of Rakatan design. We have yet to see a true "Sith" ship. Can you list some of these "holes"? I'm curious. And the Kaminoans could have easily derived the design from that of old republic warships (since the Ravager was originally a republic vessel, as I recall). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I think KOTOR II has some serious flaws. For starters the whole Telos thing sounds duff, especially since Carth was on the surface looking for his wife and son. Since his wife died in his arms I don't think he was wearing an enviro suit. The whole "Your a void" thing makes no sense, here's why. 1. Visas says she can sense your feelings after Kreia drains the masters. This might be because you are healing, except: 2. When Darth N tries to drain you he weakens him self, so you're still a void. 3. If you form bonds and drain others how come your party keep getting stronger. 4. If you don't exist within the Force then how can Kriea form a bond with you. 5. All living things are part of the Force, if you're not in that club you're not living. If thats true then how did you exist all that time you were "blinded" without anyone to leech off? Goto kinda sucks, so do the robes, they even throw up the difference. On Korriban you meet jedi spectres with old style robes. Also the dead jedi in the tomb has those robes. Bad inconsistancy there. You're repeatedly told you are the last of the Jedi but on Telos you see Bastila. If I had to put money on it I'd also say Jolee and Vandar are alive and probably more. The final battle on Telos that has Dantooine, Telos and Ondoron soldiers fighting together, putting aside the Ondoron guys getting all the way across the galaxey in hours, when did the Dantooine Militia get to be super commandos given a key job? KOTOR was in the main an adult game that didn't bow to LA pressure and had some good tongue in cheek moments. KOTOR II is like KOTOR would have been if a load of fan boys got hold of it. There's a really good game struggling to get out but its burried under a fairly heavy layer of crud in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITHSLAYER133 Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 vander im pretty sure baught in on katarr jolee well he is a good mystery as any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 No, Vander is never mentioned, Zhar and Dorak are mentioned but Vandar is specifically left out. I'm betting he'll be in K3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITHSLAYER133 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 i might check it on my next play through i think im shedualed some time in the middle of the night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 No, Vander is never mentioned, Zhar and Dorak are mentioned but Vandar is specifically left out. I'm betting he'll be in K3. My guess is that Vandar is simply left out because he could be killed in K1 and having only one dialogue was just more convenient for OE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenGoblin Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 You're repeatedly told you are the last of the Jedi but on Telos you see Bastila. If I had to put money on it I'd also say Jolee and Vandar are alive and probably more. The final battle on Telos that has Dantooine, Telos and Ondoron soldiers fighting together, putting aside the Ondoron guys getting all the way across the galaxey in hours, when did the Dantooine Militia get to be super commandos given a key job? To the first, the game points out that this is merely the perception of the Sith, in reality we know a good deal of Jedi had simply put down their lightsabers and many were in hiding. To the second I agree with you there. I thought it was so contrived that the Dantooine militia which had been barely able to protect its citizens against Kinrath or that the Onderon army that had just gone through a civil war both sent forces to help Telos and arrived almost immediately to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExileReturns Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Like I said, the story of Kotor II is full of plot flaws and dead ends. Kotor I had a more developed story, but again not to beat a dead horse-this was because kotor II was rushed. I also agree with the robes thing. How did the style of robes suddenly change in the 5 yrs since Kotor I? and not change for the next 4 thousand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITHSLAYER133 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 jedi never changed thats why they got almost extermiated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Thats patently not true though, the Jedi chaged a lot, by the time of the Prequels they seem to have totally eliminated the class system. Another thing, the Bassilisk in K2 is wrong, its just a Star Viper with the wings closed, the real Bassilisk is like a mechanical beetle you sit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenGoblin Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Thats patently not true though, the Jedi chaged a lot, by the time of the Prequels they seem to have totally eliminated the class system. How so? I mean there still seem to be Knights, Padawans and Masters and these roles seem to be well-defined, unless you're referring to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeX Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I believe he means jedi guardian, Sentinal and Consular. After all you never see Mace Windu shouting "I are Jedi Guardian!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Another thing, the Bassilisk in K2 is wrong, its just a Star Viper with the wings closed, I thought it looked a little like Xixor's(sp?) ship... the Virago I think it was called! the real Bassilisk is like a mechanical beetle you sit in. That would have been really cool to see too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Probably for the same reason the Leviathan was in the Republic fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 RedHarke, the Virago was the prototype for the Star Viper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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