am I the only one worried?...

[Clone L68362]

In my opinion, the third game should start you off as another pc. A new character, not Revan, not the Exile.

 

The story should be set a handful of years after the second (let's say 3-5), or even a handful of months after. Thus the background idea of the Mandalorian and Jedi Civil Wars laying waste to the Republic remains active. The Jedi should be all but extinct (there really would be no point in killing off most of them in the second if they're just going to all come back by the third), and the Republic should be on the brink of collapse. (sound a little similar to what TSL set up?)

 

With your party of completely new characters, (minus T3 and HK possibly) you would have to play through the game trying to defeat these "True Sith", or whatever enemies are thrown at you. Revan and the Exile's times are up, we already delved deep enough into both of their stories, so there is no reason for us to see them again in this one.

 

See, I only read this and I'll say it again, I don't understand. I've seen so many posts saying this is exactly what should happen. I guess your main point is you don't care about the characters, and I think it's pretty much a guarantee your PC won't be Revan or the Exile, but I'm also pretty sure they aren't just going to ditch all the characters they took the time to make up stories for and design.

[Dark_lord_Cheez]

but I'm also pretty sure they aren't just going to ditch all the characters they took the time to make up stories for and design.

 

 

Why not? It seems perfectly logical to me that they would let a good number of character's storylines die out. Was there anything important that we needed to learn from Mission before she died? How about Juhani? G0-T0? Zaalbar? Hanharr?

 

How many RPG sequels can you think of that have every character from the originals returning? How many characters are usually brought back into a videogame sequel, and how many are there that just seem to disappear forever?

 

 

The idea for this topic came around when I saw that almost every topic in this form was centered around Revan and the Exile returning in the third game. I began to wonder if everyone was just interested in seeing if Revan and Bastila got together or not... either that or if you got to play as Revan or the Exile.

 

My worry came from the idea that whoever it was that would be creating the new game would stumble across these forms and get ideas from these topics which were devoted to the main characters returning.

 

I have always enjoyed Revan's character, as well as the Exile's. From the first time I had played Kotor I have appreciated every character which was introduced to the story... However, Knights of the Old Republic has never been about Bastila. It has never been about Carth or Canderous. Not Jolee, Juhani, Mission or HK... Nor has it ever truly been about the Exile or even Revan. If it were about Revan it would have been named something like "Revan, Warrior of the Old Republic". Deep down this story has always been about the choices every Jedi and Sith must make. Revan was only the one who started the journey, the Exile was the one to continue it, and it must be up to a new character to finish it.

 

 

There really isn't anything that any of the original characters can do to improve upon the storyline of the third game, so why does everyone say they want them to return so badly? Why do we really need them anymore, they took the story as far as they could, it's time for a new group to carry the torch... time for new characters to be introduced into this world.

[Achilles]

^^^^

 

Voted "Most Intelligent Post in Unknown Regions Ever".

[Aimless]

I disagree and agree on some things i think I disagree most. I agree that we should not play as the exile or Revan we shouldn't just jump to a whole new story. Its a triolgy for a reason. I will not accpect some small little cutscene saying " Oh Revan killed those guys. " Not after the build up they gave in KOTOR 2. I believe we should one of the Jedi the exile or Revan recuirted and have to find the one thing that will kill the True Sith by traveling from world to world or something like that.

[RedHawke]

Voted "Most Intelligent Post in Unknown Regions Ever".

Seconded... well put Dark_lord_Cheez!

[Prime]

My worry came from the idea that whoever it was that would be creating the new game would stumble across these forms and get ideas from these topics which were devoted to the main characters returning.

I wouldn't worry. They'll just say "that would be dumb" and go back to making an excellent game.

[Dark_lord_Cheez]

Seconded... well put Dark_lord_Cheez!

 

*bows and graciously accepts award*

 

Thank you both for your kind words.

[lukeiamyourdad]

Wait, from what I could read, there has been an atrocious amount of confusion about people's posts.

 

To sum up what I could get.

 

-Cheez does not want to play as the Exile or Revan but wants the game to send you against the True Sith.

 

-People agree with him.

 

-People got confused with the "does not revolve about Revan" part.

 

See, this is where you have been critically unclear. You want a continuation, but at the same time don't? From what I can understand, you want to go fight the True Sith, but not as Revan or the Exile and would not like them to even appear.

You use the argument that Revan does not appear in TSL and that's good enough for the story not to revolve slightly around his actions. This is where you are dead wrong. Yes, you did not choose to fight the battle at Malachor V but you did do it nonetheless. Does a sequel have to include every single variable you chose in the first game? Absolutely not, especially in an RPG. It does not remove the fact that the serie has Revan as a central character who is the cause or a huge factor of almost every event in the story line. Yeah, you didn't do it in the first game, you did it in your past.

 

See, this is where it gets complicated and people got confused. Yes, it's a trilogy, it is inevitable that what happens in the third installment is a result of the actions of Revan or Exile in the past. This is continuation. It does not require either character to physically appear.

Cheez did a poor job at first to explain his point of view. It's about having them not appear or only have very minor datapadish information on them. People thought that he was thinking about ditching the whole storyline to start a new one that had nothing to do with what happened in the two previous game. To tell you the truth, after reading the first part of the threat, I also thought that you wanted to ditch the storyline to start a whole new one.

 

About the comments on needing some link to the OT, seriously, if people make fan fics involving somebody named Solo, they have poor imagination or just want to make one about Solo's ancestor. If people want Boba Fett's helmet in game it's just because it's cool. It doesn't have anything to do with somebody wanting to have Darth Vader or Yoda appear in the game just to link the whole thing together.

By the way, not having a link between two different trilogies in two different eras is quite normal. Not having a link between three stories in the same trilogy is weird.

[Darth InSidious]

So, cheez, let me get this right. You effectively want to play a game running effectively parallel to what the Exile is most likely to be doing at that point in time, right? With the True Sith invading...yes?

 

As I understood the storyline of TSL, the True Sith are not an immediate, direct threat, but a more insidious thing, that will, oh I don't know, sap the Republic, sicken it, and twist it into destroying itself with the subtlest of pressures.

 

At least, that's what Kreia (and the Bastila holocron(s) ) seemed to say...It could be that Revan went to buy cupcakes and it was all her manipulations...

 

As for direct invasion of the republic, it was strongly implied that this was off the cards, IIRC.

 

And LIAYD is right. This is a very confused thread and your arguments, cheez, are IMO, based on false logicks.

 

I motion that LIAYD's last post is the most intelligent in the Unknown Regions to date.

[Dark_lord_Cheez]

To LIAYD -

I am sorry for any confusion due to my posts, I am not exactly the clearest of speakers at times.

 

 

So, cheez, let me get this right. You effectively want to play a game running effectively parallel to what the Exile is most likely to be doing at that point in time, right? With the True Sith invading...yes?

 

Not at the same moment as the Exile, but around his/her time. (The second game was only 5 years after the first afterall, I'm only saying it should be a similar amount of time between the second and third) I don't believe I said parallel to whatever the Exile was doing, I merely said that we should play as a new character a few years after TSL.

 

And the True Sith don't necessarilly have to invade, I was only using that as an example. I really don't know what the whole plot to the third game should be. I'd prefer to be surprised with a plot than go around telling people what I think the plot should be.

 

As I understood the storyline of TSL, the True Sith are not an immediate, direct threat, but a more insidious thing, that will, oh I don't know, sap the Republic, sicken it, and twist it into destroying itself with the subtlest of pressures.

 

I agree with you on this.

 

At least, that's what Kreia (and the Bastila holocron(s) ) seemed to say...It could be that Revan went to buy cupcakes and it was all her manipulations...

 

This is indeed possible. It could also be that the whole "True Sith" idea was just a ploy to get the Exile to search for Revan. For all we know this 'threat' that Kreia warns us of could just be a bunny rabbit or something.

 

As for direct invasion of the republic, it was strongly implied that this was off the cards, IIRC.

 

Like I said before, I was just giving an example. Kind of like how you said Revan could just be buying cupcakes for all we knew.

[Darth InSidious]

True. It'd be a bit bloody disappointing, though. Imagine it: Knights of the Old Republic III: Revenge of the Cupcakes

 

My question about the new character is this: why? what difference does it make? (After two pages of argument my head's spinning...)

[Dark_lord_Cheez]

(After two pages of argument my head's spinning...)

 

Good to know I'm not the only one.

 

 

Anyway, it matters for the sake of the RPG itself. What makes the RPG such a great genre is that it focusses on finding out and developing who your character is. In so many ways we have already defined Revan and the Exile (the way they dress, what weapons they use, how they act, force alignment, etc.), so if we were to play as them again we would either need to continue playing the character that way (which doesn't really qualify as defining the character, we already know everything about them afterall), or we would have to change everything about them (not good for cotinuity).

 

I don't know about the rest of you, but I play as the Exile very different from how I play as Revan. Where Revan is a gray jedi who goes around and hacks people up for credits, the Exile is a calmer, lightsided sith lord. If we were forced to play Revan in the second game, I probably would have continued lobbing off people's heads until I got sick of it and threw the game away.

 

Pretty much what I'm saying is imagine if we had to play as Revan or the Exile again in the third game... I don't think many of us would be able to finish the game without getting incredibly annoyed at the same thing happening over and over again.

[T.Nova]

I too would dislike the scenario of playing as Revan or the Exile in a K3 storyline. Revan is obviously a legend in the KOTOR universe so you could include references that mention his time of power, or his redemption etc. The exile no one knows about pretty much, would be interesting though if you came across someone the Exile knew to explain in detail about his/her past, and tie up some loose ends.

 

Though I think the Jedi Order is obviously going to come back. From my vague memory if you played LS I think you normally left the Jedi Masters who went into hiding alive (Edit: I remember now that Kreia kills the Jedi Masters). But even more so there could be plenty more Jedi Masters out there as well, so you could make up some more. Or even more interesting would be to have one of the Jedi Masters from Dantoonie in K1 survive (actually didn't that Yoda-look-alike survive the attacks, I remember him in the final battle seqeunce over the Star Forge), despite the fact that they were presumed dead theres always the possibilty they may have escaped.

[Arátoeldar]

Good to know I'm not the only one.

 

After reading LIAYD's post and re-reading yours I now say that I am almost in complete agreement with you. The only time I have ever seen NPCs go from one game to another would be BG1 to BG2 and do it well. That is only because in BG1 you were capped at ~8th level. This is were you and I will have to agree to disagree. I could see the Jedi NPCs form Kotor2 starting a new Jedi Counsel. But if they didn't I wouldn't be disappointed.

[HK47Lover]

Revan has to return in the series.... and it would be very easy to do. Simply on show Revan in his robes and mask. A few questions can set Revan to have been Male/Female, Light or Dark. Presto.... instant Revan.

 

If you played Knights 2 well, Kriea tells you the fate of all your party members, and even you. Everyone in your party with the exception of droids and Mandalore were force sensative people who the Exile will use to rebuild the order. If you were Dark Side, you rebuild the sith order (thus the ending titled as assuming the dark throne.)

You learn how Mira dies young, and everyone's fate.... after a time.... before that time.... could easily be the knights 3 story.

 

I have played Knights 2 about seven times, and each time I've played I've gotten Kreia to reveal more details about the future, and characters. I actually liked the story better after unlocking the extra stuff.

 

So I think if a final one comes.... Revan will be as I described, the Exile will be spoken of but not playable.... and I somehow think Kreia might very well return on an Obi Wan kind of way.... she was really anxsiou to be slain, and for as calculating as she was, I don't think we saw the full purpose behind her plan. To kill the force? Yeah....

 

I think a new character will emerge, a "new hope" if you will. And I think the story will force both the Jedi and Sith to have to fight the evil in the uknown regions together because it's gonna be an ugly fight. And I think this war will balance end leaving things in balance for a breif time....

 

And to the speculation of new series after this.... there are thousands of years to cover before catching up to the original triliogy.... could be interesting.

[T.Nova]

Revan has to return in the series.... and it would be very easy to do. Simply on show Revan in his robes and mask. A few questions can set Revan to have been Male/Female, Light or Dark. Presto.... instant Revan.

 

Why does Revan "have" to return? Theres no plausible reason to include Revan but only to satisfy an audience who wants to play as their original character. As the topic implies, everyone pretty much knows who Revan was, so you would start out at level 20 and everyone would be in shock and awe once you walk into the cantina. Not only that, but you have no clue what Revan did in the Unknown Regions, and your role-playing the character so that makes it just plain odd unless Revan lost his/her memory during all of this (again).

 

Not to mention I'm always up for something new. The things that should be noted I think that will play an important role in K3 are these facts (welcome to correct or add anything I might have wrong or missed) -

 

- The Republic is economically unstable

- The Sith Order seems to be in slow decline after the events of K1, and is losing power gradually

- The Jedi Order has vanished, and Jedi aren't particulry well appreciated anymore

- The Mandalorians are trying to reunite and regain power once again (though how much of an effect did that suprise attack from the Sith leave)

 

Thats all I can think of at any rate.