R.I.P. Chris, Daniel and Nancy Benoit

[Prime]

Chris Benoit was one of the greatest wrestlers to ever live. He still deserves our respect for the many great things he's done in the sport and the accomplishments that he achieved.

I don't think he or other wrestlers deserve our respect on the athletic front. This is just my opinion, but I think wrestling as it is today is trash because A) the kinds of stories it has (treatment of women and others, etc) and B) passing off steroid-ridden brutes as athletes. Plus, I have a hard time calling the WWE "sport".

 

First of all, OJ was found innocent

But he was found liable for the wrongful death in the civil suit. So he was not innocent in that case.

 

For a while boxing matches were predetermined, and still to this day are some matches fixed. Is it any less of a sport?

Yes, precisely because of those sorts of incidents.

 

The only difference in the Benoit case is that a double homicide is a part of it. Still, how does that make him any less of an athlete?

No, but using steroids to artificially enhance his performances does.

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I don't think he or other wrestlers deserve our respect on the athletic front. This is just my opinion, but I think wrestling as it is today is trash because A) the kinds of stories it has (treatment of women and others, etc) and B) passing off steroid-ridden brutes as athletes. Plus, I have a hard time calling the WWE "sport".

 

No, but using steroids to artificially enhance his performances does.

 

A) The treatment of women within the WWE storylines are agreed upon by all parties involved, including the women. Plus, nowadays in the E women are viewed in a more athletic light. Have you seen the Mickie James, Melina, or Victoria matches? The "divas" now are better wrestlers than they were in the 90's, I'll give them that. But nothing can compare to women's, or Joshi, wrestling in Japan. Those chicks are stiff.

 

B) The blood reports said that steroids weren't involved. Why can't you people understand that? Just because this is wrestling and the guys are muscular doesn't mean that when someone dies it's because of steroids. They were found in the house because a few months prior he had injured himself. I'm sorry that he didn't find the time to clean his medicine cabinet before he died. You must be heartbroken. Listen, if this was due to "'roid rage" he wouldn't have thought to places Bibles near the bodies. The murders would not have been as thought out as they were, they would have either been shot or beaten. Not killed in the way they were. Chris Candido died of a blood clot. Owen Hart died from a fall to the ring. Michael Hegstrand died of a heart attack. Scott Bigelow died of a heart disease and diabetes (although cocaine was found in his body, it did not have a large enough effect on his system.) Shinya Hashimoto died of a brain aneurysm. Shohei Baba died of cancer. Christopher Bauman died in a motorcycle accident. Ted Petty died of a heart attack. Johnny Grunge had sleep apnea. Lou Thesz died of complications from surgery at the age of 84. Not every, or even most, or even half of the deaths in professional wrestling revolve around drug use. I know it. The media knows it. They are taking the low road and looking for someone to blame. And even if the blood tests are wrong, if the autopsy reveals that somehow, in someway, that there *ARE* steroids involved in this case, at the start you had nothing to go by. "He's a wrestler! He's dead! It *MUST* be steroids!" That train of thought gets you nowhere fast. He never once took steroids as a performance enhancer, but only as a quick healing option. WWE has been enforcing a strict drug policy as of late. Adam Birch was fired from the WWE due to a painkiller addiction. Jeff Hardy wasn't allowed to come back unless he was willing to undergo a very strict rehab. The guy's dead. The family's dead, *HIS* family. Hating him, blaming him, and just burying the guy's name isn't gonna bring anyone back.

[Prime]

A) The treatment of women within the WWE storylines are agreed upon by all parties involved, including the women. Plus, nowadays in the E women are viewed in a more athletic light. Have you seen the Mickie James, Melina, or Victoria matches? The "divas" now are better wrestlers than they were in the 90's, I'll give them that. But nothing can compare to women's, or Joshi, wrestling in Japan. Those chicks are stiff.

I'm not talking about their wrestling ability, nor whether the actors argree to performing such scenes. I'm refering to what those scenes portray in general, and used the treatment of women as an example.

 

B) The blood reports said that steroids weren't involved. Why can't you people understand that? Just because this is wrestling and the guys are muscular doesn't mean that when someone dies it's because of steroids. They were found in the house because a few months prior he had injured himself. I'm sorry that he didn't find the time to clean his medicine cabinet before he died. You must be heartbroken.

Please point out where I said he committed said acts because of steroids. Actually, please point out where I commented on the murders at all.

 

You can't, because I didn't. I only commented on his status as an "athlete".

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Please point out where I pointed out that you said he used steroids as a performance enhancing drug.

 

EDIT: You had commented on the steroids, mentioning how you know for a fact that he used them to enhance his performance, implying that he was abusing their use. He never did such a thing, he would have been fired. The WWE, as I stated, has employed a "Wellness Program." *MANDATORY* drug test every few weeks. Get it? At least two matches a week he worked on a regular basis, minimum 90 day suspension if a suspension isn't avoidable. Do the math.

[Prime]

Please point out where I pointed out that you said he used steroids as a performance enhancing drug.

If I understand what this is asking, I didn't say you did.

 

EDIT: You had commented on the steroids, mentioning how you know for a fact that he used them to enhance his performance, implying that he was abusing their use.

I did mispeak slightly. I did not mean to say that he was enhancing his performance on a nightly basis with them, such as a track athlete might. I meant to say that in all likelyhood he achieved his physique using them (and I also should have used the more general term "performance enhancing substances"). Do I know this for a fact? No. Do I think it is highly probably? Definitely.

 

Are you suggesting that all these guys look the way they do without these substances?

 

Several (many?) ex-wrestlers have already admitted to taking such things, as have many bodybuilders with similar physiques. And most trainers will tell you that it is nearly impossibly to look that way without them. And most amateur weight trainers will tell you that you will never look that way naturally (myself included).

 

He never did such a thing, he would have been fired. The WWE, as I stated, has employed a "Wellness Program." *MANDATORY* drug test every few weeks.Get it?

But he has been wrestling much longer than February 2006, correct? And I assume he looked much as he did now, I believe. Is it not likely that he was taking him before this program?

 

At least two matches a week he worked on a regular basis, minimum 90 day suspension if a suspension isn't avoidable. Do the math.

Assuming that:

 

A) It is a serious program that actually attempts to find such things, and is not a public relations exercise to address previous incidents (they will not comment on whether any wrestler has tested positive with the program).

B) They are even able to detect what wrestlers are currently taking. I think we all know how hard it is to catch such cheaters in any sport. Detection is always lagging behind.

[tk102]

Oh, and I'm sure all else he did in life goes right out the f'in window along with what his life was worth because he was a murderer. Nice outlook on life.

Well it does cast a rather large shadow over his life and if you choose to overlook that little trespass, that's a nice outlook on life too. I think Master Demonius was simply having second thoughts over posting this thread given the new context. I don't blame him.

[Jae Onasi]

*Jae in doctor mode*

 

It's almost impossible to achieve that physique and maintain it without taking performance enhancing drugs, particularly anabolic steroids, on a regular basis. There are some drugs that are not detectable with current tests, which is why a lot of guys in any professional sport are passing the tests. The use/abuse of performance enhancing drugs is a rampant problem in all pro sports, and it causes all sorts of health problems for the user, such as depression, 'roid rage', cancer (liver being a big one), heart problems, among many others.

 

Obviously Benoit had some kind of serious problem that led to the family's deaths, and given his physical appearance and the drugs found in his home, it would be unlikely for those things not to have been involved, unfortunate as this all is.

[Master Demonius]

tk102, no offense to you or anyone but i wasn't having second thoughts about this post Chris Benoit was always one of my favorite wrestlers I've watched him wrestle since he was in ECW. He will always be one of my Favorite wrestlers and if that upsets anyone that reads this I don't really care.

[Prime]

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Benoit, 40, his wife and son were found dead at 2 p.m. on Monday in three separate rooms. Police said Benoit placed a Bible next to the bodies of his wife and son before hanging himself. All three died of asphyxiation, autopsy results show.

 

"I'm baffled about why anybody would kill a seven-year-old, said District Attorney Scott Ballard."I don't think we'll ever be able wrap our head around that."

 

Daniel had needle marks on his arms. His parents considered him under-sized and had injected him with growth hormones, Ballard said.

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Daniel also had fragile x syndrome, so that must automatically mean Chris had fragile x syndrome.

 

tk102, no offense to you or anyone but i wasn't having second thoughts about this post Chris Benoit was always one of my favorite wrestlers I've watched him wrestle since he was in ECW. He will always be one of my Favorite wrestlers and if that upsets anyone that reads this I don't really care.

These are exactly the kind of thoughts we need. The man is dead, his wife and son are dead. Berating him and accusing him of things he may or may not have done won't bring any of them back. If you can't respect the guy for his past deeds than don't bring your hate into this thread. Cheers, Master Demonious. Cheers.

[Ray Jones]

I have to say I find that bigot, not to mention the appliance of double moral standards.

 

Past deeds? What did he do beside doing the job he was well paid for, and killing his family? What makes him so special? He's a murderer. Even more, he killed an innocent child and its mother. Since he couldn't kill them both at the same time, either his son saw his mother die, or vice versa. Respect the dead and tell me it won't bring them back all you want, but not pointing out those things won't make them undone either. And just because someone is dead, doesn't mean we can't tell the truth or talk about him.

 

He was anyone's favourite wrestler? Okay, I'm fine with this. But he also took innocent life. Like many others, murderers, terrorist, dictators, where we do not mute those facts, although they were all loving daddies, big spenders and nice neighbours.

 

I mean, put Johnny Average into this scenario, make him having WoW on his computer, or put the Alcoran in his pocket and no one will think of "respecting his death".

[Samuel Dravis]

I agree, Ray.

 

My respects to the wife and kid. It's a terrible thing when people die.

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How is this bigotry? Am I saying to give him any privileges above any one else? Their's a war going on, both sides kill for the wrong reason, and still a majority of the world is sad for losses on both sides. Okay, fine. Let me just put some of those words of wisdom to to the test here:

 

Kurt Cobain was a sick person because he did drugs and sang about rape and death and murder and suicide. When he killed himself he made more than enough people depressed, so if he was alive today I'd kill him myself. Also, I'm glad if you're a member on this board and your mother/father/both parents/siblings are dead because they didn't take proper care of themselves and/or were reckless in their lives and have committed some grave and mortal sins.

 

That paragraph was the absolute worst thing I have ever typed.

 

I'm glad you clarified that for us.... --Jae

 

Do you understand how wrong your logic is? I'm not saying anything wrong OR right about terrorists, dictators or anything else. I don't even know why you would bring them up. You're comparing this man to people who have killed hundreds upon millions of innocent people. What's the difference? Absolutely nothing. You're right. Which is exactly why we can't burden ourselves with being angry and depressed about the deaths of innocent people. Celebrate the good times, not the bad. It's like that whole death row thing. Why would killing a killer make you feel better. Wouldn't you be just as wrong, he's still a person? Me? I'm done with this thread, I've already expressed my opinions as to why he was a good *WRESTLER.* That's all I can do. I'm not saying he's a better person than everyone else in the world, I'm not saying he's a good person at all. But the public only knew him for what he was portrayed as, a brilliant and amazing wrestler. That's how I'll remember him. You can say all you want about how wrestling isn't a "sport," or wether or not he used steroids to enhance performance (which he never did, it is possible to be that muscular and have that great of stamina with only training and dieting. I know wrestlers who are as skinny as rails and as fat as whales. You don't absolutely *HAVE* to be doing something wrong to be athletic.) I'm done with this thread, it's not my job to change your mind, so I won't. You can try to change everyone else's if you want to. I've got better things to do.

 

I mean, put Johnny Average into this scenario, make him having WoW on his computer, or put the Alcoran in his pocket and no one will think of "respecting his death".

What does that even mean? WoW has nothing do with this, nor does religion. I'm a Christian, does that make me a good person? Of course not. It's actions that make people good or bad, if you want to focus on one last wrong deed, go ahead. You didn't know him personally, neither did I. Yes, death is wrong. Murder is wrong. I never once said he was a good, or better, person for killing them. The fact is, as I have said before. HE IS DEAD. SHE IS DEAD. THEIR SON IS DEAD. Why can't anyone just let them rest in peace?

[Pho3nix]

HE IS DEAD. SHE IS DEAD. THEIR SON IS DEAD. Why can't anyone just let them rest in peace?

 

Because we want to question their deaths, the cause, the motive. We want answers I suppose. it doesn't have anything to do with them resting in peace.

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to find out what exactly happened.

[Samuel Dravis]

And besides, they will rest in peace despite anything said here or anywhere else. Mr. Benoit made sure of that.

[Ray Jones]

You're comparing this man to people who have killed hundreds upon millions of innocent people. What's the difference? Absolutely nothing. You're right. Which is exactly why we can't burden ourselves with being angry and depressed about the deaths of innocent people. Celebrate the good times, not the bad.

I'm not mourning anything. Those folks are dead so what. Life leads to death, unconditionally. Also, regardless of his deeds, he's a living being, yes, and thus he had all rights to be respected as such. I'm just saying that he does not deserve more respect than any other murderer on this planet. We must not silence the truth or anything away just because someone died. Dead people don't complain when we talk about them. In fact they don't even notice. Those who feel offended because someone says something about someone they "lost" do complain.

 

 

Why would killing a killer make you feel better.

It wouldn't.

 

I've already expressed my opinions as to why he was a good *WRESTLER.*

I've already stated I am fine with that.

 

But the public only knew him for what he was portrayed as, a brilliant and amazing wrestler.

The brilliance and amazinglingnesses of wrestling strongly depends on personal opinion. Also the (media made) public portray of a person means as much and is as much worth as a fart in space - nothing.

 

What does that even mean? WoW has nothing do with this, nor does religion. I'm a Christian, does that make me a good person? Of course not. It's actions that make people good or bad, if you want to focus on one last wrong deed, go ahead.

I'm not focussing on the last deed. I'm focussing on that one immoral deed. If I am, widely known as the bestest person in the world, donating to charity and caring for the poor and what not, go and kill my family or whoever comes near me, you can be sure as hell no one will care about what I've done all the years before. All I say is, if he'd not been a "celebrity" I doubt many people would cry for "having respect".

 

HE IS DEAD. SHE IS DEAD. THEIR SON IS DEAD. Why can't anyone just let them rest in peace?

Which is what they can do. I did not touch any of them. I merely talk about them.

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I know I said I was done with this thread, but I forgot to check the e-mail notification thing and... whatever. Anyway, let me clarify some things. When I first went into this thread my goal was to simply say "Chris was an amazing wrestling and a credit to the business. Nancy was an incredible valet. Daniel's loss is tragic, as is the loss of Chris and Nancy. May they all rest in peace." I, foolishly, made the accurate comment on how wrestling is a sport. It may be sports entertainment, but it is a sport. Such as the floor routine, cheerleading, and many other sports where the outcomes/results are all based on popularity and how "cool" everything looks. The only difference within professional wrestling is that there are stories. He does deserve our respect as an athlete. Swimmers deserve our respect, even though all they do is swim fast. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, that now is a lost cause. I never said he was a good person. I never said OJ Simpson was a good person. Somebody, I believe it was you, Ray, brought up dictators. I never said Adolf Hitler was a good person. OJ Simpson was however a good football player, and Adolf Hitler was a good painter. There are certain aspects of a famous/historical person such as Benoit, Simpson, Cobain, Hitler and many others that we do not see. Even after we find out how angry or depressed or just evil they can be we can still never judge them on an athletic or artistic standpoint based on those actions and thoughts. My final (probably not final, as someone else will make some stupid comment, maybe even me right now) thought is that Chris Benoit has accomplished many things based on his athleticism, and he has accomplished many things based on his popularity, but it is for his athleticism that I respect him. In professional wrestling people are given chances because of their athleticism, and they are given second chances because of their popularity. But if a performer can not keep up in the ring, or if he is slow, or if he is weak, he will not stick around long. There are also people who, unfortunately, get numerous chances based solely on popularity (Edge, John Cena, Sean Waltman, Randy Orton, Hulk Hogan.) That was never the case with Chris Benoit. Even when he was being held down in WCW due to the Hulk Hogans and Kevin Nashes he always gave it everything he got. I will no longer say that you should respect him, because now I realize that some minds can never be changed. I am only saying now that *I* respect him. I respect Nancy, and though I didn't know Daniel, I respect him for showing respect to the workers every time he would go backstage with his father during the shows. They all have earned my respect on a professional standpoint, it would be wrong of me to take that away based on their personal lives. I don't know how many times I can type the following sentence, but I know it will never be enough. Chris, Nancy, Daniel... rest in peace.

[Prime]

Daniel also had fragile x syndrome, so that must automatically mean Chris had fragile x syndrome.

From my understanding of fragile x syndrome, I'm not quite sure why that is relevant to using growth horomone. Am I missing something?

 

Berating him and accusing him of things he may or may not have done won't bring any of them back.

Which is most unfortunate. But why does that matter?

 

If you can't respect the guy for his past deeds than don't bring your hate into this thread.

People are free to post their views as long as they follow the forum rules while doing so.

 

Kurt Cobain was a sick son of a bitch because he did drugs and sang about rape and death and murder and suicide. When he killed himself he made more than enough people depressed, so if he was alive today I'd kill him myself.

I don't understand why you would be so angry at someone who killed only himself, yet seem to be more accepting of someone who has a histry of domestic violence and later brutally murdered his entire family.

 

I'm not saying anything wrong OR right about terrorists, dictators or anything else. I don't even know why you would bring them up.

His point (correct me if I'm wrong Ray) was that many dictators and murders have also done good things in their lives, but that does not diminish the fact that they commited horrible crimes. Nor do we tend to focus only on their positives. Chris Benoit should be no different.

 

Which is exactly why we can't burden ourselves with being angry and depressed about the deaths of innocent people.

Celebrate the good times, not the bad.

He doesn't appear to be innocent. Why must his unfortunate acts be "brushed under the rug?"

 

But the public only knew him for what he was portrayed as, a brilliant and amazing wrestler.

It is also unfortunate that now the public will know him as a murderer.

 

What does that even mean? WoW has nothing do with this, nor does religion.

True. The point is that if these acts were commited by an average Joe, no one would be asking to respect them for the good things they did or celebrate the good times.

 

or wether or not he used steroids to enhance performance (which he never did)

The evidence so far at least suggests otherwise. He had been receiving drug deliveries from a Florida business that sold steroids, human growth hormone and testosterone on the Internet. His own physician has stated that he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit because he suffered from low amounts of it. He said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use.

 

HE IS DEAD. SHE IS DEAD. THEIR SON IS DEAD. Why can't anyone just let them rest in peace?

Because it is a worthwhile effort by the powers that be to determine what happened and why.

 

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Such as the floor routine, cheerleading, and many other sports where the outcomes/results are all based on popularity and how "cool" everything looks. The only difference within professional wrestling is that there are stories.

No, the difference is that the outcome of the match is predetermined, and is not the result of althetic performances of the contestants. It is not a sport, because they are not actually competing. They are acting out prescripted events.

 

He does deserve our respect as an athlete.

But if he indeed using performance enhancing drugs as the evidence right now seems to indicate, does he? I say no.

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People are free to post their views as long as they follow the forum rules while doing so.

Then tell that top the people who tell me I shouldn't respect him.

 

I don't understand why you would be so angry at someone who killed only himself, yet seem to be more accepting of someone who has a histry of domestic violence and later brutally murdered his entire family.

I'm not angrey, I actually like Kurt Cobain and Nirvana, I was just using that as an example of how wrong that logic is. Snarky flame-baiting comments are not nice. Please refrain from using those. I am watching other people's posts as well.... --Jae

His point (correct me if I'm wrong Ray) was that many dictators and murders have also done good things in their lives, but that does not diminish the fact that they commited horrible crimes. Nor do we tend to focus only on their positives. Chris Benoit should be no different.

Exactly, but personally I don't hate dictators and terrorists for those things. For one, it would eat up to much of my time. Two, it is believed in their minds and in the minds of others that what they are doing is right. I don't judge them for that, nor do I respect or disrespect them for it.

 

He doesn't appear to be innocent. Why must his unfortunate acts be "brushed under the rug?"

I never said that benoit was innocent and I never said to brush it under the rug. I am simply saying that the investigation should continue, but it should not be based on speculation.

 

It is also unfortunate that now the public will know him as a murderer.

Yes it is. That's my point, what yours?

 

True. The point is that if these acts were commited by an average Joe, no one would be asking to respect them for the good things they did or celebrate the good times.

Their families would, isn't that enough?

 

The evidence so far at least suggests otherwise. He had been receiving drug deliveries from a Florida business that sold steroids, human growth hormone and testosterone on the Internet. His own physician has stated that he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit because he suffered from low amounts of it. He said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use.

Yes, but those steroids were prescribed to him. There is no record of him having previously abused or illegally obtained steroids. Why is everyone "brushing that under the rug?"

 

Because it is a worthwhile effort by the powers that be to determine what happened and why.

So we should leave it to them to decide what happened and stifle our speculation.

 

No, the difference is that the outcome of the match is predetermined, and is not the result of althetic performances of the contestants. It is not a sport, because they are not actually competing. They are acting out prescripted events.

But the predetermined results are based on athletic performances, especially in Canada and Japan, where Benoit has competed. ECW, WCW, and the WWE hired him based on his performances in those countries.

 

But if he indeed using performance enhancing drugs as the evidence right now seems to indicate, does he? I say no.

The only thing that is indicated is that he had used steroids in the past. Legally obtained steroids. Which means he must have had a sports related injury, otherwise the steroids would not have been administered. Again, there is no past record of abusing or illegally obtaining them. Based on how many times he's broken his neck it's no wonder that the *legal* drug use had a long term effect. Chris Nowinski brought this point up. It's actually pretty logical and based on fact.

[Prime]

Then tell that top the people who tell me I shouldn't respect him.

People are free to express their views, as long as they do not flame, etc.

 

I'm not angrey, I actually like Kurt Cobain and Nirvana, I was just using that as an example of how wrong that logic is. Apparently, it worked.

I'm not sure it has, because I'm not actually sure what point you are trying to get across.

 

Exactly, but personally I don't hate dictators and terrorists for those things. For one, it would eat up to much of my time. Two, it is believed in their minds and in the minds of others that what they are doing is right. I don't judge them for that, nor do I respect or disrespect them for it.

You don't disrespect terrorists and similar murderers for their acts? OK.

 

 

I never said that benoit was innocent.

I misread your previous statement then. Sorry.

 

Yes it is. That's my point, what yours?

That the public will be viewing him differently than you do...

 

Yes, but those steroids were prescribed to him. There is no record of him having previously abused or illegally obtained steroids. Why is everyone "brushing that under the rug?"

But since he has gotten them from Signature Pharmacy and MedXLife, they are quite likely illegially obtained. Owners, doctors, pharmacists were illegally distributing performance enhancing drugs with illegal prescriptions.

 

But the predetermined results are based on athletic performances, especially in Canada and Japan, where Benoit has competed. ECW, WCW, and the WWE hired him based on his performances in those countries.

What do you mean here? The outcomes of matches in the organizations you mentioned are all predetermined before the match, are they not? They know who the winner is going to be before they start. That is why it is not a sport.

 

The only thing that is indicated is that he had used steroids in the past. Legally obtained steroids.

Again, he is being investigated for illegially obtaining the steroids through fraudulant prescriptions. Company employees have already been charged for such crimes.

 

Which means he must have had a sports related injury, otherwise the steroids would not have been administered.

If he hadn't gotten steroids from unreputable people, we could be much more sure that that was the case.

 

Again, there is no past record of abusing or illegally obtaining them.

That isn't necessarily the view at this point, but the investigation is ongoing.

[Jae Onasi]

Daniel also had fragile x syndrome, so that must automatically mean Chris had fragile x syndrome.

Not necessarily. Chris gave him the Y chromosome to make him a boy, not the X chromosome, which came from his mother. Information on Fragile X carriers here.. Since this is an x-linked disorder, it was Daniel's mother who was the carrier, though Chris may have had a pre-mutation.

 

Edit: I started a thread on Performance enhancing drugs in sports. Feel free to continue discussing that particular topic there, since it seems to be a sub-topic forming in this thread that's not necessarily Benoit-specific.

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People are free to express their views, as long as they do not flame, etc.

Yeah, I know, but you were griping about me telling people not to bring hate in this thread. That's me saying they are wrong. People say I shouldn't respect him. That's them saying I'm wrong. Quote them for once.

 

I'm not sure it has, because I'm not actually sure what point you are trying to get across.

People were being VERY angry and just mean with their statements on how Chris Benoit was a "low life piece of **** coward." I said the same thing about Kurt Cobain (Even though I don't really believe it. It was only an example.) You gripe to me: "How can you be so angry at him?" They both did some very wrong things. Chris being more wrong than Kurt doesn't make Kurt right, though people still defend him.

 

You don't disrespect terrorists and similar murderers for their acts? OK.

Not exactly. I respect them for going to lengths to do what they believe is right. I don't respect them for going to lengths to do what I believe is wrong. The two sort cancel each other out... hey, I'm happy with my logic.

 

That the public will be viewing him differently than you do...

As a wrestler, yes. You probably aren't a large member, or even a small member, of the wrestling community. A lot of people on various forums are turning on him as a wrestler because of this, and even the WWE, themselves. The WWE (as portrayed on television, not as a business entity) isn't about the personality of the people who portray these characters. "The Crippler" Chris Benoit was a character and in my (and a vast majority of the wrestling community's view) a tremendous athlete. We enjoyed his matches in the past. Vince McMahon enjoyed his matches in the past. Now, he is portraying Chris Benoit the person for the "monster" he truly was. I am now edging toward a view that it *was* the drugs that made him the way he was that weekend, but not based on any steroid rage or roid rage or whatever it's called. He's had over three broken necks and various other major bones broken in his time, the medicine had to have done something to him or caused a sort of dependence, not necessarily an addiction. That in turn caused his mind to not function properly, though he did have some form of *control.* I said earlier that I didn't like all of this speculation, but I find this scenario to be the most plausible. So, I believe it.

 

But since he has gotten them from Signature Pharmacy and MedXLife, they are quite likely illegially obtained. Owners, doctors, pharmacists were illegally distributing performance enhancing drugs with illegal prescriptions.

If Signature Pharmacy and MedXLife, which I have only heard of from reading your comment just now, were selling drugs illegally their websites and businesses would surely have been shut down.

 

What do you mean here? The outcomes of matches in the organizations you mentioned are all predetermined before the match, are they not? They know who the winner is going to be before they start. That is why it is not a sport.

Yes, but they do wrestle during the matches. They do have to have a mind of what's going on around them and half of the time act on instinct. These guys, most of them don't get along. I'll point to an infamous incident where William Regal (a good friend of Benoit) once went for a "shoot" on Bill Goldberg. He was applying greco-roman wrestling strikes and holds, essentially trying to knock him out or down and pick up a false (not according to script) victory. Bill Goldberg was a big man who had (as it was thought) no skill in "actual," traditional wrestling. As it turns out he could hold his own, even doing some pretty cool flips and strikes. The point is, Goldberg actually decided, due to Regal's "egging on" during the match, to have a shoot fight right there in the ring. He knocked Regal for whirl, hit his signature move, and picked up, I believe, the only legitimate win in professional wrestling. Wasn't that bad of a match. And, as I said, I believe professional wrestler's deserve our respect as athletes. Case in point, Brock Lesnar. He was the fastest rising and most popular star in the biz after the Rock had decided to take his break from it. He won the Undisputed title, got fired, went to Japan, won the IWGP title, got fired, did some MMA. People figured he wouldn't last *because* he was a pro wrestler. His first MMA match lasted only two minutes and he won by submission via strikes. Also, Lesnar can lift a 300 pound dumbbell with one hand. That doesn't have anything to do with this little rant... but... uh... it's cool.

 

Again, he is being investigated for illegially obtaining the steroids through fraudulant prescriptions. Company employees have already been charged for such crimes.

I have actually heard/read nothing of this. Could you post a link?

 

If he hadn't gotten steroids from unreputable people, we could be much more sure that that was the case.

Who are these unreputable people?

 

That isn't necessarily the view at this point, but the investigation is ongoing.

Again, I haven't heard/read anything that would suggest this.

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If Signature Pharmacy and MedXLife, which I have only heard of from reading your comment just now, were selling drugs illegally their websites and businesses would surely have been shut down.

They essentially have been, I believe.

 

I have actually heard/read nothing of this. Could you post a link?

Some samples. You can find more if you put "chris benoit steroids illegal" or something in google...

 

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Some quotes from the above:

 

Sources with knowledge of the multi-state steroid pipeline case confirmed to SI on Tuesday that pro wrestler Chris Benoit (a.k.a. The Canadian Crippler) was a customer of MedXLife, a Florida-based, anti-aging clinic that had two of its owners plead guilty in April to illegal steroid distribution. Benoit, of course, is alleged to have strangled his wife and suffocated his 7-year-old son over the weekend before hanging himself. On Tuesday, Georgia investigators revealed that they had found large quantities of prescription drugs in the home, including steroids.

Benoit received drug deliveries from a Florida business that sold steroids, human growth hormone and testosterone on the Internet, according to the Albany County, N.Y., District Attorney's Office, which is investigating the business, MedXLife.com.

 

Six people, including two of the pharmacy's owners, have pleaded guilty in the investigation, and 20 more have been arrested, including doctors and pharmacists.

An official who is part of the investigation told CNN that Benoit's name was on receipts that indicated he had purchased shipments of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones from Signature Pharmacy, an Orlando, Florida, facility that is at the center of a nationwide investigation into the sale of illegal steroids.

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Well then, that puts things in a different perspective. Not too different, but different. I won't lie, I enjoyed his matches and I still rate them among some of my favorites. The thing about wrestling isn't just being strong. You have to be a great thinker, and Chris Benoit was a great thinker.