SD Nihil Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Yeah has a Vista 64 Business. I don't know much about Vista, but it sounds like that may be lacking in the graphics aspects department. He has a AMD Athalon, NVIDA 79GS. I am just suggesting not moderating, but maybe you should post on that mirror thread to tell these guys to post their specs here. Since Vista now works with K1-2 I hope it works with a config idea I'm thinkin o隐f: Intel Core 2 Duuo 8400 or so 4GB RAM or more NVIDA GeForece 9800GTX Vista Home Premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 one thing to note: make sure you run the latest patches for the game before you try to play the game. obviously, there's nothing Vista specific in the patches, but i can guarantee that you'll want the bug fixes that are included in those patches. unfortunately, one of the biggest faults with both games is the rather unfinished state they were released in hence the need for the patches. without further ado, my specs: Asus M2N-SLI motherboard (AMD Socket AM2+; nForce 570-based) AMD AthlonX2 4600 (overclocked to 2.8Ghz) Kingston HyperX 2GB (4x 512MB) DDR2-800 (overclocked to 4-4-4-12 timings) AMD Radeon HD4850 1GB GDDR3 (Catalyst 8.11 drivers installed) Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit Edition DirectX Nov. 2008 mss32.dll fix and widescreen patch installed no mods installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Humm maybe the problem with it not working for people is maybe not all of them know to run their patches in compatibility mode. Just a thought. Here's a question though. If you run all the patches in compatibility mode like the HQ Music and Movies patches...the movie patch has six parts. But the part 1 is the only executable of the patches. The rest are zips. Are you to also make those 2-6 parts of the HQ Movies patches run in compatibility mode? Also, what about the mods that have a tsl patcher to install them, do you run those in compatibility mode too? It's intersting. With KOTOR running on XP people had issues with ATI cards. Now with Vista KOTOR has problems with NVIDAs. Humm well I do remember being told that with ATI you needed to also have MS .Net Framework. I wonder if that is also the same with NVIDA cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 Vista ships with .net 3.0 out of the box, which is back-compat with previous .net versions. Its latest iteration, .net 3.5 SP1 is out via windows update or standalone redist. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Thanks. Now what about my other question regarding compatibility mode for mods that use the tsl patcher and HQ Movies 2-6 that are not executables. Do you put those into compatibility mode too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 I have no experience with those specific patches, however, with anything that is executable, its best to err on the side of caution and run compat mode due to the DX9 conditions it all has to run under. If you need a more detailed answer, the mirrored thread at the workbench is probably a better place to query monds and patches.. We are focussing on the hardware side of things on this end. Here are those nvidia fixes: Im posting them merely as a reference to anyone who is stuck and out of ideas. I have had no need of these fixes or tweaks myself. Here is the original thread at obsidian forums for reference SOLUTION TO KOTOR AND KOTOR 2 RANDOM CRASHES, STARTUP CRASHES AND DRIVER STOPPED RESPONDING PROBLEM IN VISTA WITH NVIDIA DRIVERS : This worked for me like a charm and took hours to solve the problem, but the game runs wonderful now without any crashes. (Just don't alt-tab while playing, the game doesn't like it.) Please note that I worked in a non-patched version of the game. But even with the patch there should be no random crashes except the game's original bugs. PART 1 : INI file Go to c:\program files\lucasarts\kotor2 and move swkotor2.ini to desktop, be sure the graphic options part is as follows : [Graphics Options] RefreshRate=60 Height=768 Width=1024 V-Sync=0 Anisotropy=8 Frame Buffer=0 Anti Aliasing=4 Texture Quality=2 Grass=1 Soft Shadows=0 Shadows=0 Brightness=57 EnableHardwareMouse=0 FullScreen=0 Sound options are as follows : [sound Options] Number 3D Voices=16 Number 2D Voices=24 2D3D Bias=1.00 Force Software=1 EAX=0 Sound Init=0 Music Volume=85 Voiceover Volume=85 Sound Effects Volume=85 Movie Volume=85 Disable Sound=0 After editing the file if required, remove it back to c:\program files\lucasarts\kotor2 folder. PART II : NVIDIA Control panel Go to your desktop right click and open NVIDIA control panel, now to the manage 3d settings and select global settings, change it as follows : Anisotropic filtering : 16x Anti-gamma : On Antialias mode : App-cont " - transparency : supersampling Conformant text clamp : Use hardware Err rep : Off Ext. limit : off Force mipmaps : Trilinear Max. prerendered frames : 8 Multidisp/mix GPU : Single performance Tex-filtering neg. bias : Clamp Tex-filt. quality : High Q Thread opt : off Trip buffer : off Vsync : force off PART III : Registry setup Click start, click start search, type regedit, run it. Search for "_swkotor.exe" (without commas). For me there were 3 entries and one of them is like : [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Cl ass\{4D36E968-E421-11DE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0000] Under this folder, you will find _swkotor.exe entry. All entries must be REG_BINARY. Check and add these entries : _swkotor2.exe:D3D_16579523 01 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:D3D_30913648 01 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:D3D_60461791 47 67 41 08 _swkotor2.exe:D3D_94118636 00 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:D3DOGL_03385531 02 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:D3DOGL_12677978 60 16 62 51 _swkotor2.exe:D3DOGL_67207556 11 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:D3DOGL_70835937 27 00 32 22 _swkotor2.exe:D3DOGL_74095213 10 00 00 10 _swkotor2.exe:OGL_25631692 02 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:OGL_DefaultSwapInterval ff ff ff ff _swkotor2.exe:OGL_ExtensionStringVersion 00 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:OGL_TexClampBehavior 00 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:OGL_ThreadControl 02 00 00 00 _swkotor2.exe:OGL_TripleBuffer 01 00 00 00 : D (with no gap changes to smile) Close the registry editor, restart your computer and goodbye crashes... I believe OGL_ThreadControl is the critical point here. But to be sure I write all entries. Also changing all _swkotor2.exe entries to _swkotor.exe solves kotor 1 crashes, you may add them as seperate entries. Also I changed my swkotor.ini file as follows : [Graphics Options] V-Sync=0 Anisotropy=8 Frame Buffer=0 Anti Aliasing=4 Texture Quality=2 Emitters=1 Grass=1 Soft Shadows=0 Shadows=0 Brightness=57 EnableHardwareMouse=0 FullScreen=0 RefreshRate=60 Width=1024 Height=768 PART IV : Bad TDR, Bad TDR... This is an application for graphics drivers. When a driver stops responding, vista resets the device driver so the system continues stable. But the problem is old games sometimes stops responding naturally and vista thinks the game crashed. There is a fix for that problem incase your problem consists of this : start regedit and go to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Gr aphicsDrivers], add a new REG_DWORD entry as TdrDdiDelay 120 TdrDelay 60 Close regedit. PART V : RESTART YOUR COMPUTER Somehow these changes requires restarting the computer to take effect. PART VI : PLAY YOUR GAME AND SAVE OFTEN INCASE Start your game in SP2 compability mode. Old mss32.dll is required also. The game starts in windowed mode, but when you changed the resolution from the graphic options, it turns to fullscreen. You should try turning on frame buffer effects and shadows as well from the ini file (Just set them to 1). I didn't care so I didn't try. But you may if it is important for you. The game is also buggy and rarely crashes to desktop after these settings so save often. Good game although, or may be best... RESULT : NVIDIA Drivers somehow sucks... PART VII : LAST RESORT Change your vista theme to classic to turn off windows aero subsytem. Also close the sidebar. As an option use CPU-control program and direct all processes to CPU1 incase you are using dualcore cpus. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Is the before MS .Net Framework 3.5 SP1 for XP or Vista's SP1? Also, your only able to run executables in compatability mode right? You can't run .zip files in compat mode right? You see that the HQ Movies patch part 1 is the executable that uses the 2-6 parts of the patch. However, the 2-6 are just .zips. I know you said if I want a more detailed answer to ask on the other mirrored thread, but since you have Vista you would probably be able to tell me if .zip files are able to be run in compat or runinng something in compat mode can only be done to executables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 winzip/winrar etc are applications themselves, hence can be configured to run in compat mode. Whether this has an impact on how it works within KOTOR within Vista.... I dont know. Best way is to try and find out yes, .net 3.x deploys on xp as well. HERE are the details directly from MS and here you can click to download full standalone package Remember, hardware questions here. The folks at workbench are infinitely more qualified to address code related queries. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I s䎨ee. The Work Bench mirror is for software related questions on this and this one is for hardware questions. Gotcha. Thanks. Yes I await the NVIDA fixes too. Great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Dead_Jedi Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I uploaded the file at kotorfiles a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Your the original creator of the .dll file? Thanks for it. You helped a lot of people move on from XP and get Vista. Well I hope people are going to get Vista soon when they can afford it. Yeah Happy New Year to you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloaked Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hey Guys New to the forums and thankyou so much for the guide and sorry if I am bumping an old thread. I am still having issues running KOTOR 1 on vista Ultimate. Below is the Hardware Scan [sWKotOR] ReportDateTime=7/01/2009 4:05:06 PM SysInfoVersion=v1.00.60 GameExists=1 GameVersion=v1.03.514077 GameInstallLocation=C:\Games Installed\KOTOR\ [OS] Name=WinXP Version=Windows XP v5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Service Pack=Service Pack 2 Status=Pass [swapFiles] ?:\pagefile.sys=0 [CPU] CPUCount=1 CPUSpeed=1866 CPUFamily=6 CPUModel=15 CPUStepping=2 CPUVendor=Intel CPUName=Intel® Core2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz Status=Pass [Memory] RAM=1024 Status=Pass [Disk Free Space] C: (NTFS), UNICODE=409.76GB Status=Pass [CD-ROMs] DriveLetters=D:\ Drives=HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H42N ATA Device [Video] Video Card Name= Video Memory=2048 Desktop Resolution=0x0x0 DirectX=DirectX (9.0+) (4.09.00.0904) OpenGL Version=2.1.2 OpenGL Vendor=NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL Renderer=GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2 NVidia Driver=(null) Vid Card Status=Warning Vid Card Driver Status=Fail GL Status=Pass DX Status=Pass [Audio] Sound Card Name=@wdma_usb.inf,%usb\class_01.devicedesc%;USB Audio Device Status=Pass ;Game Options from swkotor.ini [sound Options] Sound Init=0 Music Volume=85 Voiceover Volume=85 Sound Effects Volume=85 Movie Volume=100 Force Software=0 EAX=0 Disable Sound=0 Number 3D Voices=16 Number 2D Voices=24 Environment Effects Level=0.60 2D3D Bias=1.50 Environment Effects=1 Environment Effects Nonstreaming=1 Environment Effects Streaming=1 [Game Options] GUIsInScreenShot=1 EnableScreenShot=0 Reverse Mouse Buttons=0 Hide InGame GUI=0 Use Small Fonts=0 Keyboard Camera Deceleration=2000.000000 Keyboard Camera Acceleration=500.000000 Keyboard Camera DPS=200.000000 Hide Unequippable=0 Tutorial Popups=1 Subtitles=1 Mini Map=1 Floating Numbers=1 Status Summary=1 Enable Mouse Teleporting To Buttons=1 Mouse Sensitivity=33 Auto Level Up NPCs=1 Mouse Look=0 AutoSave=1 Reverse Minigame YAxis=0 Combat Movement=1 Enable Tooltips=1 Difficulty Level=1 TooltipDelay Sec=1.000000 Memory Access=1 Memory Level=1 Disable Movies=0 [Movies Shown] Movie 0=16 Movie 1=0 Movie 2=0 Movie 3=0 Movie 4=0 Movie 5=0 Movie 6=0 Movie 7=0 Movie 8=0 Movie 9=0 Movie10=0 [Alias] HD0=.\ OVERRIDE=.\Override TEMP=.\Temp MODULES=.\Modules LOGS=.\Logs LOCALVAULT=.\LocalVault DMVAULT=.\DMVault SERVERVAULT=.\ServerVault STREAMMUSIC=.\StreamMusic TEMPCLIENT=.\Tempclient SAVES=.\saves CURRENTGAME=.\currentgame TEXTUREPACKS=.\texturepacks STREAMWAVES=.\StreamWaves [Graphics Options] V-Sync=0 Anisotropy=1 Frame Buffer=1 Anti Aliasing=8 Texture Quality=2 Emitters=1 Grass=1 Soft Shadows=0 Shadows=1 Brightness=57 EnableHardwareMouse=1 FullScreen=1 RefreshRate=60 Width=1024 Height=768 [Autopause Options] Mine Sighted=1 End Of Combat Round=0 Enemy Sighted=1 Party Killed=1 Action Menu=0 New Target Selected=1 [config] firstrun=0 [Keymapping] Action286B=8 Action286A=7 Action285B=10 Action285A=9 Action284B=54 Action284A=51 Action283B=54 Action283A=51 Action282B=69 Action282A=73 Action281B=53 Action281A=76 Action280B=69 Action280A=73 Action265=52 Action264=57 Action263=43 Action262=85 Action261=84 Action260=83 Action259=82 Action258=81 Action257=80 Action256=79 Action255=78 Action254=77 Action253=31 Action245=75 Action244=55 Action243=67 Action242=74 Action241=87 Action240=56 Action239=68 Action238=82 Action236=83 Action234=81 Action232=80 Action230=79 Action228=78 Action226=77 Action225=70 Action224=90 Action223=31 Action222=25 Action221=24 Action220=29 Action219=28 Action218=42 Action217=87 Action216=65 Action215=63 Action214=62 Action213=60 Action212=61 Action211=66 Action210=59 Action209=71 Action208=89 Action207=72 Action206=30 Action205=55 Action204=67 What I find interesting is that the scan is reporting I only have 1 gig of System memory yet its reporting that I have 2 gig of video memory = the total amount of memory I ahve in my system. Also the failure of my vid card. These are my Specs: Vista Ultimate Patched with all updates as of Jan 5th 2009 p5n-e SLI Mobo 2 320GB HDD in Raid 0 8800GTS 320MB using 180.48 Drivers 3 Gig of Ram E6300 Core Duo I have installed KOTOR running as Admin and in compatabilty mode for XP SP2, I have updated using teh auto updater, I have replaced the dll file, I have made sure the swkotor.exe is set to run as Admin and in compatabilty mode for XP SP2 and made a shortcut for it and made sure there set to run as Admin and in compatabilty mode for XP SP2. I am really at my witts end with trying to run this great game. Please can anyone help? I have never had the secure rom issue the game has always ran fine for me and never had any errors to do with securerom. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 @cloaked >> have you tried any of the tweaks indicated in post 31? Also, are you using a original game disc, or working off iso images? Make sure you have the latest directx of course. It doesnt get patched via winupdate, so you need to track down the latest redist here mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloaked Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 @cloaked >> have you tried any of the tweaks indicated in post 31? Also, are you using a original game disc, or working off iso images? Make sure you have the latest directx of course. It doesnt get patched vua winupdate, so you need to track done the latest redist here mtfbwya Hey Mate Well I actually had it running for a fair while got right up to the battle with the Rancor in the Taris sewers before it stopped working on me. I havent tried any of the tweaks in post 31 but I Have downloaded the latest DIRECTX as you suggested and I am running an original game disc. Ill let you know how I go today. *EDIT* Okay so when I try to break open the Rancor gut after killing him thats where its crashing. This is from Windows Event Viewer Application Log. Log Name: Application Source: Application Error Date: 8/01/2009 9:41:21 AM Event ID: 1000 Task Category: (100) Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: Nadesico Description: Faulting application swkotor.exe, version 1.0.3.0, time stamp 0x00000000, faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x00000000, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x0213d717, process id 0xa04, application start time 0x01c97114f48cd1c3. Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="Application Error" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">1000</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>100</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2009-01-07T22:41:21.000Z" /> <EventRecordID>1968</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer>Nadesico</Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data>swkotor.exe</Data> <Data>1.0.3.0</Data> <Data>00000000</Data> <Data>unknown</Data> <Data>0.0.0.0</Data> <Data>00000000</Data> <Data>c0000005</Data> <Data>0213d717</Data> <Data>a04</Data> <Data>01c97114f48cd1c3</Data> </EventData> </Event> I am going to try the suggestions in post 31. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Have you tried maybe not cutting the rancor since that really isn't necessary? How about just walk past him? And have you saved your game up to that point? Original disc? What did you copy it or something, or are you using a no cd patch? I'm not one of these technical guys, but hey if it isn't mandatory to cut the rancor maybe you should skip doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Have you tried maybe..... Nihil, that post was made in January...! If he was stuck, he wouldve come back mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Oops. Sorry. Just helping out. I'm glad he got it fixed. On the mirror to this there was another individual with crrashing issues and he had a NVIDA card. I suggested he use the NVIDA fixes. Hope he writes back and says SD I already have it fixed you untechnical bum. lol. Great. I'm glad these two threads have been such a success to LF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiddenfairy Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hi. This is my first time here. I can't play KOTOR (1) in my Vistax32 laptop: Toshiba Satellite L300D-12Y with ATI Radeon 3100... Even in compatibility mode... Can someone help me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Prior to posting have you gone to the KOTOR section of LF and looked under the Troubleshooting sub forum and then clicked on the sub forum The Work Bench? Within that sub forum are a bunch of sticky threads. One of them I believe deals with KOTOR and laptops. If you haven't already I'd check that thread and the other stickys. It might help you. If not Astro should be along soon to help ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiddenfairy Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I already tried msdll, swkotor.old, all compatibility modes... it's really sad... Edit: New Error: "Detected Emulator." Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Astrotoy7 should be along soon. If not Q or another. Sorry your still having toruble. If they don't come here within a few days just PM them a link to the thread or get them to come here. Some of these guys are busy and need a little tap on the sholder. But they are helpful and friendly. Wish I could help you more though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendz Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I installed K1 about a week ago and i didnt have to change anything to get it to work, but now i just installed K2 and it wont let me start the game. Is this because i have vista? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 You didn't have to change anything. Meaning for both K1-2 you didn't apply the fix and th above compatability instructions? If you didn't try that. There's NVIDA fixes, and of course the Work Bench section of KOTOR has other helpful sticky threads. If that doesn't help Astro should be along. PM him if he doesn't come in a few days. He should come a running then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendz Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 ok, im trying the fix right now and i cant find the mss32.dll in the root directory, should i just put the new one in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 ok, im trying the fix right now and i cant find the mss32.dll in the root directory, should i just put the new one in? Very unusual! Do you have one in the K1 directory? New Error: "Detected Emulator." Wtf? This sounds like something to do with the securom errors some report, which happens with downloaded versions(legal or not), or those being mounted on virtual drives. Having a program like daemon tools or Alcohol installed(which messes with securom) can also give you emulator warnings. There is some info on securom errors for KOTOR, but you would need to search elsewhere for that. Good luck! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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