Ethickz - Autism screening

[GarfieldJL]

Anything can be used as a tool to promote genocide. Instread of legit tests, maybe people will resort to "sleeping on their left side" or "how often does it kick?" to figure things out. If we're going to have people committing genocide, lets at least make it an educated genocide.

 

The world isn't fair, making it so only limits those who can and gives to those who can't to make it look like they can. Maybe in a few generations, high functioning autistics will be the norm and they'll do tests to see if people are "boring-brained" instead of mentally "changed" in some manner.

 

Sorry, but people with high-functioning Autism usually have the gene we're talking about. I'm sorry we aren't as social as neurotypicals, but interesting thing is you lose people with high-functioning autism you lose a lot of engineers, scientists, etc.

[mimartin]

I'm going to say then to make it fair and no discrimination takes place that all tests regarding infants before birth be discontinued

So you are saying expectant parents should have no rights to decide for themselves what is done to there bodies? If there were reliable test, wouldn’t withholding that test be a violation of the Patient Bill of Rights?

 

2. The patient has the right to and is encouraged to obtain from physicians and other direct caregivers relevant, current, and understandable information concerning diagnosis, treatment, and prognosis.[/Quote]

 

Also interesting is this, from the same law.

3. The patient has the right to make decisions about the plan of care prior to and during the course of treatment and to refuse a recommended treatment or plan of care to the extent permitted by law and hospital policy and to be informed of the medical consequences of this action. In case of such refusal, the patient is entitled to other appropriate care and services that the hospital provides or transfer to another hospital. The hospital should notify patients of any policy that might affect patient choice within the institution.[/Quote]

 

I have been dealing with doctors and hospitals a lot the past year (not me my stepfather); we have been given a least one of these rights every time he has entered the hospital.

 

U.S. Patients' Bill of Rights

[Web Rider]

Sorry, but people with high-functioning Autism usually have the gene we're talking about. I'm sorry we aren't as social as neurotypicals, but interesting thing is you lose people with high-functioning autism you lose a lot of engineers, scientists, etc.

 

A deaf couple in England bread a deaf child because they believed that being deaf was a "lifestyle choice." Just because somebody has a test to test for something, doesn't mean they're going to abort autistic babies, for all we know, they could use it to abort "neurotypicals". Which honestly is the most absurd categorization I've ever heard. I'm sure if you found me a shrink he'd diagnose me with a handful of conditions, high-functioning autism might even be one of them. I simply choose not to go to those people to find out, because I don't really care.

 

If people get these tests, they should be informed, REALLY informed about what autism is, how it can be high or low or moderate or severe and so on. Anyone who gets any test should be suchly informed, and also informed about the consequences that could come with a severely mentally problematic child. Hey, maybe they'll want a non-normal kid, who's to say they won't use the tests to abort only "neurotypical" kids?

 

That said, I think "neurotypical" is as much a loaded word as calling people with autism retarded. While both are technically correct applications of the word, neither one provides an accurate picture of people, and I take personal offense to the word specifically as a scientific term, because it's a sociological term that varies with what society defines as "normal". I have been considered outside the social norms for a good part of my life, so I take personal offense to the word simply because I lack a diagnosed medical condition, does not automatically make me "normal".

[GarfieldJL]

So you are saying expectant parents should have no rights to decide for themselves what is done to there bodies? If there were reliable test, wouldn’t withholding that test be a violation of the Patient Bill of Rights?

 

Yes I know about the Patient Bill of Rights, however we're also looking at Hippocratic Oath that doctors are looking at too. Doctors have no business recommending that a baby be aborted just because they have the gene for autism, if anything they should present the fact there is know way of knowing on way or the other, the child may be on the low functioning range, or extremely high-functioning where they are extremely intelligent. All the test shows it that they are potentially different.

 

A deaf couple in England bread a deaf child because they believed that being deaf was a "lifestyle choice." Just because somebody has a test to test for something, doesn't mean they're going to abort autistic babies, for all we know, they could use it to abort "neurotypicals". Which honestly is the most absurd categorization I've ever heard. I'm sure if you found me a shrink he'd diagnose me with a handful of conditions, high-functioning autism might even be one of them. I simply choose not to go to those people to find out, because I don't really care.

 

Actually because it is presented as though the child will be unable to do anything for themselves and have no emotion, etc. that song and dance is used to pressure the parents into aborting.

 

If people get these tests, they should be informed, REALLY informed about what autism is, how it can be high or low or moderate or severe and so on. Anyone who gets any test should be suchly informed, and also informed about the consequences that could come with a severely mentally problematic child. Hey, maybe they'll want a non-normal kid, who's to say they won't use the tests to abort only "neurotypical" kids?

 

People can be mentally problematic and have no disability whatsoever. Anyways, many doctors don't bother to stay up to date in fields that they don't specialize in and as they get older some think they know it all. I had a doctor before that for the longest time didn't believe attention deficit disorder even existed...

 

That said, I think "neurotypical" is as much a loaded word as calling people with autism retarded. While both are technically correct applications of the word, neither one provides an accurate picture of people, and I take personal offense to the word specifically as a scientific term, because it's a sociological term that varies with what society defines as "normal". I have been considered outside the social norms for a good part of my life, so I take personal offense to the word simply because I lack a diagnosed medical condition, does not automatically make me "normal".

 

It was a term that someone came up with (probably someone with Autism) that got sick of people acting like they had a disease.

[Web Rider]

Yes I know about the Patient Bill of Rights, however we're also looking at Hippocratic Oath that doctors are looking at too. Doctors have no business recommending that a baby be aborted just because they have the gene for autism, if anything they should present the fact there is know way of knowing on way or the other, the child may be on the low functioning range, or extremely high-functioning where they are extremely intelligent. All the test shows it that they are potentially different.

I agree that doctors should have no say in what kinds of children people have. However, people should not be prevented from knowing because their doctors might abuse their powers.

 

Actually because it is presented as though the child will be unable to do anything for themselves and have no emotion, etc. that song and dance is used to pressure the parents into aborting.

 

People can be mentally problematic and have no disability whatsoever. Anyways, many doctors don't bother to stay up to date in fields that they don't specialize in and as they get older some think they know it all. I had a doctor before that for the longest time didn't believe attention deficit disorder even existed...

And that's pretty idiotic for a doctor to think like that. Patient-rights groups specific make fliers and information packets that doctors can hand out because they know that doctors don't know everything. If a doctor is asked and doesn't know, he A: refer the patient to someone who does and or provide them with information on the subject. and B: learn up on the subject, as the doctor will likely be asked again.

 

It was a term that someone came up with (probably someone with Autism) that got sick of people acting like they had a disease.

It was indeed invented by autistic groups. However, it was designed for journalists to regard "normal" people as. It was later adapted by "science", likely under pressure.

[GarfieldJL]

And that's pretty idiotic for a doctor to think like that. Patient-rights groups specific make fliers and information packets that doctors can hand out because they know that doctors don't know everything. If a doctor is asked and doesn't know, he A: refer the patient to someone who does and or provide them with information on the subject. and B: learn up on the subject, as the doctor will likely be asked again.

 

Well a lot of the supposed Autism Rights groups are the ones that are out to exterminate people with Autism. Face it, people with Autism are usually not invited or allowed to be represented at these meetings with medical professionals deliberately. In fact in one article I posted up here the only reason someone with a disability got to speak was that one of the groups made up of people with that disability got wind and got themselves together to protest at that meeting.

[jrrtoken]

Well a lot of the supposed Autism Rights groups are the ones that are out to exterminate people with Autism.

Alright, so if that is true, then there should not be any sort of Autism support groups around? Either way, this seems just like another opinion, which is suspiciouly nonfactual, IMO.

Face it, people with Autism are usually not invited or allowed to be represented at these meetings with medical professionals deliberately.

Proof?

In fact in one article I posted up here the only reason someone with a disability got to speak was that one of the groups made up of people with that disability got wind and got themselves together to protest at that meeting.

Ever thought that it might have been an isolated incident, and not proof of some global conspiracy to "purify" the human race?

[GarfieldJL]

Alright, so if that is true, then there should not be any sort of Autism support groups around? Either way, this seems just like another opinion, which is suspiciouly nonfactual, IMO.

 

No there are a few legit ones out there, but ones like Cure Autism Now should be closed down.

 

Proof?

 

Look through the articles I posted, I believe I already posted proof.

 

Ever thought that it might have been an isolated incident, and not proof of some global conspiracy to "purify" the human race?

 

Oh so you're just saying it's a way to save money then?