BryanWee20 Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 I'm stumped... Can anybody please help me? Is there anyway to remove shadow properties from a custom model? It seems like no matter what I do the models when ingame are totally black when there is no lighting. Does it have anything to do with the model or is it just my settings for GMAX or does it have to do with my game settings? Even when I test out with a simple model such as a cube, mapped and textured, the outcome is the same.
TriggerGod Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Odd. I once had the same problem with a saber hilt. Its not a permanent shadow. Quanon managed to help me out with it. Check this thread out.
BryanWee20 Posted July 23, 2009 Author Posted July 23, 2009 uh.. trust me its not a mdlops compiler issue.. I had those once.. You'll understand what I'm trying to say when I show you a screen shot of the model.. Screenshot from GMAX: Screenshot during gameplay:
TriggerGod Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Try going to a more lighted, outside module, like Onderon or Dantooine, and see if it's still like that.
BryanWee20 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Posted July 24, 2009 uh.. well in a well lighted area.. its perfectly fine I'm just curious as to how the generic game models don't have this.. shadow bug
ROTNR Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 LOL, this could be because of the Self Illum. Color, try making it a whiter/brighter color. Also make sure "shadow" is unchecked. This will brighten up your model, but you may need to play around with the white color to make it look right in-game =)
purifier Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 LOL, this could be because of the Self Illum. Color, try making it a whiter/brighter color. Also make sure "shadow" is unchecked. This will brighten up your model, but you may need to play around with the white color to make it look right in-game =) Hey ROTNR, exactly were the hell is that "shadow" box check or uncheck thingy in the Gmax program. I can't seem find the damn thing, I'd like to try that one out myself. I believe it would solve some of my problems too.
TriggerGod Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Hey ROTNR, exactly were the hell is that "shadow" box check or uncheck thingy in the Gmax program. I can't seem find the dame thing, I'd like to try that one out myself. I believe it would solve some my problems too. he is referring to a setting in the AuroraTrimesh modifier, which you don't need to apply to be able to export.
purifier Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Okay, I found it, but it had been unchecked on every model that I had exported all along. Back to square one I guess. Anyway I appreciate the help TriggerGod.
ROTNR Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Hey ROTNR, exactly were the hell is that "shadow" box check or uncheck thingy in the Gmax program. I can't seem find the dame thing, I'd like to try that one out myself. I believe it would solve some my problems too. What problems are you having purifier?
purifier Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Well, and this is probably something simple that I'm missing, when I'm moving verts on a certain portion of a model I get this shadow effect on that particular area that I move to where I want. It doesn't happen with every model that I do, but on those that it does happen to - the shadowed portion almost shows up on certain parts that I modified while playing the game and at one or two angles when viewing the model. I have feeling it has something to do with skin texture, really not sure. I know your not suppose to move verts too far or it will overstretch the skin, and if you do move them too far than you have to remap the whole thing. But these are small movements of verts that I do on the model when this happens, so I'm not sure what the hell is going on. Anyway, any ideas as to what it could be?
BryanWee20 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Posted July 24, 2009 would adding a layer or something to the skin help? Cuz I'm pretty sure that is nothing to do with my mapping... I hope not.. hahhaha
Drunkside Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 This is perfectly normal... at least i think so. The custom models i have made have always been a little darker than reskins. I noticed it when i made my mando elite gear, i modeled the sword and the shield first, skinned them using the same colors. Then i reskinned an armor with the exactly same colors and it looked way brighter than the new models in-game. So i just changed the color on the new models to be a brighter one until i got the result i wanted.
DarthParametric Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 In the material's properties, is the Shader type set to Metal and the Ambient/Diffuse colour changed to white? You may also want to examine the ASCII model files in a text editor and see what sort of values your model has compared to the original. For instance, compare this custom blaster with the original: wirecolor 0.721569 0.607843 0.898039 multimaterial 1 DPGKDL44 ambient 1.0 1.0 1.0 diffuse 1.0 1.0 1.0 specular 0.457031 0.457031 0.457031 shininess 11.0 selfillumcolor 0.0 0.0 0.0 bitmap DPGKDL44 selfillumcolor 0 0 0 diffuse 1 1 1 ambient 1 1 1 render 1 shadow 0 wirecolor 1 1 1 specular 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 shininess 0.000000 bitmap w_BlstrPstl_001 What's interesting is the differing specular and shininess values and the addition of a shadow value for the original. Some minor (not overly helpful) info on these is available here - http://www.wnwn.net/mdl/trimesh_node.html
BryanWee20 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Posted July 24, 2009 Domo Arigato Thks a bunch darthparametric. Think it should work if I keep to those parameters.
Quanon Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Darth P beat me to it Was about to point out the white/grey of the materials. They can have a strong effect on a model, though I don't think 3Ds Max does it that strong then what Gmax does.... EDIT: Make sure its white, neutrale grey. Once had it set on purple, a weird effect that has on your skins!
BryanWee20 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Posted July 24, 2009 Thanks guys.. i would've never figured it out.. ^_^ For a a couple of years.. I've been modeling. Not once did I think of looking into it... Especially when modding for Kotor & TSL.. The course I finished last year didn't use GMax or 3ds Max.. just Maya and two other programs.
Quanon Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Well Maya is as good as 3Ds Max. Ofcourse I don't think there is a NWmaya plugin like there is NWmax. Still the process of modelling things can't be all that differant? Right? No clue really, never seen Maya up close.
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